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A crooked bottom bracket?

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  1. I have a LeMond Zurich (all steel frame; I think they're now part steel,
    part carbon fiber). This is the third year I've been riding it. It has
    Shimano Ultegra components and a triple front chainring crankset. I've
    pretty much always have a hard time dialing in the front shifting.
    Recently, my front crank on the drive side has been coming loose. I even
    had to use blue loctite to try to stop the front crank from coming loose.
    Because it was loose, I would look down sometimes and thought I saw the
    front chainrings wobbling relative to the frame. I chalked this up to
    perhaps a worn bottom bracket/crank connection.

    I purchased a new bottom bracket and new (Truvative) cranks to try to fix
    this problem. After I installed everything, I was having a bear of a time
    getting the front end to shift correctly. Specifically, when in the
    middle chainring and the large cog (or second to largest cog) on the rear
    cassette (12x27, 9 speed), the chain would jump to the bottom chainring.
    The chain and the rear cassette are new. (I had previously ordered a new
    wheel.) The chainrings have shift pins, which my old -- but not original
    -- chainrings on my Ultegra crankset did not. What looks like what was
    happening was the cranks wobble just enough to cause the chain to jump
    from the middle to the small chainring when in the large cogs of the rear
    cassette.

    Now, I've confirmed this -- the front chainrings really are wobbling. I
    put cardboard up against the downtube and put a line on it. The large
    chainring wobbles inside the line and outside the line with each complete
    turn of the cranks. The largest travel (farthest from the downtube)
    appears to coincide with the drive side crank; the smallest at the other
    end (when the non-drive side crank would be aligned with the paper). The
    amount of wobble is small; about 1/16 inch, but it's enough to affect
    shifting. I've confirmed this by comparing the distance from the
    non-drive side crank to the downtube and the distance from the drive-side
    crank to the downtube (former smaller than latter).

    What could cause chainring wobble? The crankset and bottom bracket are
    both new. Could the bottom bracket be crooked relative to the downtube?
    I do not see any metal breaks or anything other type of broken frame parts
    -- the frame looks darn new.

    Thanks.

    --
    Bob M
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  2. "Bob M" <wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Now, I've confirmed this -- the front chainrings really are wobbling. I
    put cardboard up against the downtube and put a line on it. The large
    chainring wobbles inside the line and outside the line with each complete
    turn of the cranks. The largest travel (farthest from the downtube)
    appears to coincide with the drive side crank; the smallest at the other
    end (when the non-drive side crank would be aligned with the paper). The
    amount of wobble is small; about 1/16 inch, but it's enough to affect
    shifting. I've confirmed this by comparing the distance from the
    non-drive side crank to the downtube and the distance from the drive-side
    crank to the downtube (former smaller than latter).

    What could cause chainring wobble? The crankset and bottom bracket are
    both new. Could the bottom bracket be crooked relative to the downtube?
    I do not see any metal breaks or anything other type of broken frame parts
    -- the frame looks darn new.

    Thanks.

    --
    Bob M
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    Do the crankarms actually wobble, or just the rings?

    I've corrected misallignment caused by bent chaingrings by carefully tweaking
    the rings with a large adjustable wrench until they are laterally true, with
    good results. Desired result: Rings are flat and perpendicular to the bottom
    bracket spindle and parallel to each other.

    If plane described by the sweep of the crankarms is not parallel to frame
    then...?

    --
    Mykal C

  3. Sheldon Brown has some tips at
    http://sheldonbrown.com/straighten-chw.html
    to help troubleshoot this problem.

    Tom Ace

  4. Bob M said:

    What could cause chainring wobble? The crankset and bottom bracket are
    both new. Could the bottom bracket be crooked relative to the downtube?

    Howdy,

    Let's assume for the moment that the bottom bracket is not
    properly aligned with the frame but that the BB axle is
    straight...

    Unless I'm missing something, the chain rings would still
    not wobble.

    If the BB axle were bent, well then you would have the rings
    wobble.

    If you are convinced that the crank is not bent, I would
    suggest removing the BB axle and rolling it on a smooth
    surface. If it wobbles, that is your problem.

    All the best,
    --
    Kenneth

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  5. On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:32:45 -0700, Mykal <[email hidden]>

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    Quoted message said:


    Do the crankarms actually wobble, or just the rings?

    I believe both the crankarms and the rings wobble, but I need to take
    another look at it.

    Quoted message said:

    I've corrected misallignment caused by bent chaingrings by carefully
    tweaking
    the rings with a large adjustable wrench until they are laterally true,
    with
    good results. Desired result: Rings are flat and perpendicular to the
    bottom
    bracket spindle and parallel to each other.

    If plane described by the sweep of the crankarms is not parallel to frame
    then...?

    I don't know -- It's very bizarre.

    --
    Bob M
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  6. Tom Ace said:

    Sheldon Brown has some tips at
    http://sheldonbrown.com/straighten-chw.html
    to help troubleshoot this problem.

    Tom Ace

    Thanks, Tom.

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    Bob M
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  7. Kenneth said:
    Bob M said:

    What could cause chainring wobble? The crankset and bottom bracket are
    both new. Could the bottom bracket be crooked relative to the downtube?

    Howdy,

    Let's assume for the moment that the bottom bracket is not
    properly aligned with the frame but that the BB axle is
    straight...

    Unless I'm missing something, the chain rings would still
    not wobble.

    If the BB axle were bent, well then you would have the rings
    wobble.

    If you are convinced that the crank is not bent, I would
    suggest removing the BB axle and rolling it on a smooth
    surface. If it wobbles, that is your problem.

    All the best,

    Well, both cranks and BB are brand new. I have another new BB I can put
    on to check.

    --
    Bob M
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  8. Bob M said:
    Kenneth said:
    Bob M said:

    What could cause chainring wobble? The crankset and bottom bracket are
    both new. Could the bottom bracket be crooked relative to the downtube?

    Howdy,

    Let's assume for the moment that the bottom bracket is not
    properly aligned with the frame but that the BB axle is
    straight...

    Unless I'm missing something, the chain rings would still
    not wobble.

    If the BB axle were bent, well then you would have the rings
    wobble.

    If you are convinced that the crank is not bent, I would
    suggest removing the BB axle and rolling it on a smooth
    surface. If it wobbles, that is your problem.

    All the best,

    Well, both cranks and BB are brand new. I have another new BB I can put
    on to check.

    Howdy,

    I actually think that a bent BB shaft is more likely to be
    caused by some defect of manufacturing than caused by
    something from riding.

    Given that you have another, I'd put it in to check.

    Good luck with it,
    --
    Kenneth

    If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

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