'A helmet...'

Helen Deborah Vecht said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/7022153.stm

Must be a quiet news day in Oxfordshire, I see two of the largest
items on the main web page are begging for input.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/

Helen Deborah Vecht said the following on 03/10/2007 08:44:

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/7022153.stm

In that particular situation, wearing a helmet might have saved him from
some injury - you can get some quite nasty grazes! Although I do wear a
helmet off-road, I've never once landed on my bonce when I've fallen
off, so the helmet didn't prevent my injuries :-)

I'm just relieved the article didn't say "the helmet saved my life".

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Paul Boyd
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Helen Deborah Vecht said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/7022153.stm

Hmm, I was under the impression that kids playing around off-road was
an area where cycle-helmets might actually be useful, given that the
risk of a low speed fall is much higher. ISTR a Scottish Executive
study coming to that conclusion.

Cheers,
W.

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Hmm, I was under the impression that kids playing around off-road was
an area where cycle-helmets might actually be useful

maybe they should be worn when playing with their wii

http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/10/nintendo-gives-.html

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Helen Deborah Vecht said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/7022153.stm

Hmm, I was under the impression that kids playing around off-road was
an area where cycle-helmets might actually be useful, given that the
risk of a low speed fall is much higher. ISTR a Scottish Executive
study coming to that conclusion.

Some evidence of risk compensation i.e. they take more risk wearing a
helmet than without leading to the same or greater risk of injury. The
experience of cyclists being stretchered off the Seven Stanes in
Scotland is a possible example of cyclist attempting things because they
have a "helmet to protect them" that they would not otherwise do (and
sometimes breaking their backs in the process)
http://www.mtbrider.com/mtbr/showthread.php?t=6508

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

Paul Boyd said:

Helen Deborah Vecht said the following on 03/10/2007 08:44:

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/7022153.stm

In that particular situation, wearing a helmet might have saved him
from some injury - you can get some quite nasty grazes! Although I
do wear a helmet off-road, I've never once landed on my bonce when
I've fallen off, so the helmet didn't prevent my injuries :-)

I'm just relieved the article didn't say "the helmet saved my life".

Almost, it saved him from a nasty spot of brain injury.

--
Mike
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Fausto Coppi aluminium Ultegra 10
Raleigh Record sprint mongrel
Huissoon project bike (in bits, natch)

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Paul Boyd said:

Helen Deborah Vecht said the following on 03/10/2007 08:44:

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/7022153.stm

In that particular situation, wearing a helmet might have saved him
from some injury - you can get some quite nasty grazes! Although I
do wear a helmet off-road, I've never once landed on my bonce when
I've fallen off, so the helmet didn't prevent my injuries :-)

I'm just relieved the article didn't say "the helmet saved my life".

Almost, it saved him from a nasty spot of brain injury.

But that's where the stats are against him. If you take the percentage
of helmet wearers who believe that a helmet saved their life or saved
them serious brain injury and applied that to the number of helmetless
cyclist who have accidents, you would expect the hospitals to be full of
dead and brain injured cyclists*. The fact that they aren't indicates
that in the vast majority of accidents, the helmet didn't actually
prevent anything.

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

Tony Raven said:

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Paul Boyd wrote:

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Helen Deborah Vecht said the following on 03/10/2007 08:44:
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/7022153.stm

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In that particular situation, wearing a helmet might have saved him
from some injury - you can get some quite nasty grazes! Although I
do wear a helmet off-road, I've never once landed on my bonce when
I've fallen off, so the helmet didn't prevent my injuries :-)

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I'm just relieved the article didn't say "the helmet saved my life".

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Almost, it saved him from a nasty spot of brain injury.

But that's where the stats are against him. If you take the percentage
of helmet wearers who believe that a helmet saved their life or saved
them serious brain injury and applied that to the number of helmetless
cyclist who have accidents, you would expect the hospitals to be full of
dead and brain injured cyclists*. The fact that they aren't indicates
that in the vast majority of accidents, the helmet didn't actually
prevent anything.

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

When I came off recently, my Met Stradavarius obviously took a knock
and needed replacing. There was a witness mark on my temple and the
moulded ribs of the helmet were all cracked on one side. I can't say
how much of a sore head it would have saved me, as most of the impact
would have been taken by my collar bone, but I still had enough of a
knock to disorientate me. My bet is that it would have been worse if I
wasn't wearing my helmet.

Did it save my life? Probably not.
Did it save me greater physical injury? Maybe.
Would I ride without a helmet? No, it looks good and I'm too much of a
poser.
Would I back compulsory helmet use? NO WAY!

David Lloyd (at work)

mb said:

Paul Boyd said:

I'm just relieved the article didn't say "the helmet saved my life".

Almost, it saved him from a nasty spot of brain injury.

I'm puzzled as to how he can claim that. He suffered concussion, and
still suffers from headaches. Sounds very like brain injury to me.
Whether the helmet lessened the degree of brain injury is open to
question, but it certainly failed to prevent it.

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Dave...

I looked over the stats for this ages ago... If you where a helmet
you are
twelve times less likely to suffer from head trauma than if you didn't
wear
anything, so statistically you are at a disadvantage if you don't.

However the same statistics show the same improvement in head trauma
cases for pedestrians and motorists involved in accidents. So its
fair to say that if there is a case for cyclists to wear helmets then
there is also an equally strong case for motorists and pedestrians.

Sounds like some amusing legislation to me.<chuckle>

However a helmet won't protect the rest of your body from being broken
and mangled when the car that didn't see you hits you... but rest
asured your head will have a good chance of surviving..

<Wince>

Helen Deborah Vecht said:

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I looked over the stats for this ages ago... If you where a helmet
you are
twelve times less likely to suffer from head trauma than if you didn't
wear
anything, so statistically you are at a disadvantage if you don't.

Got a link for those stats?

cheers,
clive

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I looked over the stats for this ages ago... If you where a helmet
you are twelve times less likely to suffer from head trauma

Says who? That's more even that TRT's "85%", which is itself rubbish.
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I looked over the stats for this ages ago... If you where a helmet
you are twelve times less likely to suffer from head trauma than if
you didn't wear anything, so statistically you are at a
disadvantage if you don't.

Nonsense. Cite please.

regards, Ian SMith
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Quoted message said:

I looked over the stats for this ages ago... If you where a helmet
you are twelve times less likely to suffer from head trauma than if
you didn't wear anything, so statistically you are at a
disadvantage if you don't.

Nonsense. Cite please.

Unscrambing Simon's grammar is a bit of a challenge but I think he meant
to say "I overlooked the stats for this ages ago..." ;-)

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

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I looked over the stats for this ages ago... If you where a helmet
you are twelve times less likely to suffer from head trauma

Says who? That's more even that TRT's "85%", which is itself rubbish.

I'm interested in the stats that show pedestrians and motorists wearing
helmets also see 12 times less head trauma. I am only aware of one
(Japanese) study on pedestrian helmet wearing that found, like cyclists,
no benefit. Please give us your references Simon.

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Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

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Tony Raven said:

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Would I ride without a helmet? No, it looks good and I'm too much of a
poser.

Definitely a matter of personal taste. And mine is, as if you wanted to
know, that I wouldn't be seen dead in one. And definitely not alive. That
said, you may be indicating the reason why a number of people wear them,
fashion. One can only hope that they'll be as common as bull bars soon.

Tony Raven said:

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I looked over the stats for this ages ago... If you where a helmet
you are twelve times less likely to suffer from head trauma

Quoted message said:

Says who? That's more even that TRT's "85%", which is itself rubbish.

I'm interested in the stats that show pedestrians and motorists wearing
helmets also see 12 times less head trauma. I am only aware of one
(Japanese) study on pedestrian helmet wearing that found, like cyclists,
no benefit. Please give us your references Simon.

Number of helmeted pedestrians = 0
Number of head injuries to hemleted pedestrians = 0
Number of unhelmeted pedestrians = x
Number of head injuries to unhelmeted pedestrians = y

Head injury rate for unhelmeted pedestrians = y/x
therefore Head injury rate for helmeted pedestrians = y/12x

0 * y/12x = 0

QED.

;-)

burtthebike said:

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Tony Raven said:

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Would I ride without a helmet? No, it looks good and I'm too much of a
poser.

Definitely a matter of personal taste. And mine is, as if you wanted to
know, that I wouldn't be seen dead in one. And definitely not alive. That
said, you may be indicating the reason why a number of people wear them,
fashion. One can only hope that they'll be as common as bull bars soon.

my main problem with them is heat, they are just too hot, and the times
when you get hot is often up a hill and thus the vents are of naff all
use.

roger
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I looked over the stats for this ages ago... If you where a helmet
you are
twelve times less likely to suffer from head trauma than if you didn't
wear
anything, so statistically you are at a disadvantage if you don't.

You are a member of BHIT AICMFP. Or your name could be Thompson. Or
Rivara.