A modestly dumbass proposal

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Carl Sundquist said:

When you guys finish with your Al Bundy-esque memories, listen here.
There are people out there doping for group training rides. Not races,
rides. The honor system won't work in a "clean" division any better
than it works anywhere else in society.

Does anyone wish to confirm this about training rides? Are
they practicing their doping technique? Makes sense to me.

--
Michael Press
The rest of the world.

Jet said:

Well you were massive! [...] Got any snaps online?

If you think he was massive then, you should see him now.

Jet said:

Well you were massive! [...] Got any snaps online?

If you think he was massive then, you should see him now.

Robert Chung said:

Jet said:

Well you were massive! [...] Got any snaps online?

If you think he was massive then, you should see him now.

It's that statistical inflation in the middle! Can't seem to shake the
bulge. Of course If I'd actually be a little more motivated and
disciplined, but nah...it's genetics I tell you! It's the fat American
culture and society! McDonalds, that's it. I'll have to start eating
there so I can sue THEM!
Need a wide angle these days for the middle.
Bill C

Robert Chung said:

Jet said:

Well you were massive! [...] Got any snaps online?

If you think he was massive then, you should see him now.

It's that statistical inflation in the middle! Can't seem to shake the
bulge. Of course If I'd actually be a little more motivated and
disciplined, but nah...it's genetics I tell you! It's the fat American
culture and society! McDonalds, that's it. I'll have to start eating
there so I can sue THEM!
Need a wide angle these days for the middle.
Bill C

"Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Robert Chung said:

Jet said:

Well you were massive! [...] Got any snaps online?

If you think he was massive then, you should see him now.

It's that statistical inflation in the middle! Can't seem to shake the
bulge. Of course If I'd actually be a little more motivated and
disciplined, but nah...it's genetics I tell you! It's the fat American
culture and society! McDonalds, that's it. I'll have to start eating
there so I can sue THEM!
Need a wide angle these days for the middle.
Bill C

Take a look at today's Doonsbury:
http://www.uclick.com/client/wpc/db/

Bill C said:

Robert Chung said:

Jet said:

Well you were massive! [...] Got any snaps online?

If you think he was massive then, you should see him now.

It's that statistical inflation in the middle! Can't seem to shake the
bulge. Of course If I'd actually be a little more motivated and
disciplined, but nah...it's genetics I tell you! It's the fat American
culture and society! McDonalds, that's it. I'll have to start eating
there so I can sue THEM!
Need a wide angle these days for the middle.
Bill C

So that was you bundled up riding the support/pacing motorcycle in that
pic, right?

IIRC, you had been recovering from an illness/injury, correct?

I am too. If you don't have a trainer, I'd suggest thinking about riding
that too.

It's been a great help normalizing my posture and cadence and stuff. You
can really see where you're expending energy on the bike just to stay in
position, though I think one might have a slightly more nose-up saddle on
the trainer (I'm sliding off of mine, though on the road it feels right in
that config).

I rode the new trainer for an hour and a half today, -EASY-. I mean it was
like recreation. It took me almost 1/2 hour to get warmed up and used to
the position, though, with my sciatica. Settled down after that and got the
next hour in pure relaxed joy.

Might have to put the road bike up on the trainer and check it also, but it
will mainly be for the hybrid. Had -no- idea how easy and quick it is to
get the bike on the trainer. Smooth, quiet. If I had known this I'd have
gotten one ages ago.

-jet

Jet said:

Bill C said:

Robert Chung said:

Jet wrote:

> Well you were massive! [...] Got any snaps online?

If you think he was massive then, you should see him now.

It's that statistical inflation in the middle! Can't seem to shake the
bulge. Of course If I'd actually be a little more motivated and
disciplined, but nah...it's genetics I tell you! It's the fat American
culture and society! McDonalds, that's it. I'll have to start eating
there so I can sue THEM!
Need a wide angle these days for the middle.
Bill C

So that was you bundled up riding the support/pacing motorcycle in that
pic, right?

IIRC, you had been recovering from an illness/injury, correct?

I am too. If you don't have a trainer, I'd suggest thinking about riding
that too.

It's been a great help normalizing my posture and cadence and stuff. You
can really see where you're expending energy on the bike just to stay in
position, though I think one might have a slightly more nose-up saddle on
the trainer (I'm sliding off of mine, though on the road it feels right in
that config).

I rode the new trainer for an hour and a half today, -EASY-. I mean it was
like recreation. It took me almost 1/2 hour to get warmed up and used to
the position, though, with my sciatica. Settled down after that and got the
next hour in pure relaxed joy.

Might have to put the road bike up on the trainer and check it also, but it
will mainly be for the hybrid. Had -no- idea how easy and quick it is to
get the bike on the trainer. Smooth, quiet. If I had known this I'd have
gotten one ages ago.

-jet

Thanks for the suggestion. I've been trying to get up the motivation
to break it out again, and I was having a good summer riding and thanks
to Brian smacking me upside the head regularly I didn't overdo it for
once and stayed motivated. Now that my daughter has turned 16 we can
hit the YMCA gym together, and she's got enough motivation and good
sense for both of us.
Things are looking up here, and I hope they are for you too.
Bill C

"Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Jet said:

Bill C said:

Robert Chung wrote:
> Jet wrote:
>
> > Well you were massive! [...] Got any snaps online?
>
> If you think he was massive then, you should see him now.
It's that statistical inflation in the middle! Can't seem to shake the
bulge. Of course If I'd actually be a little more motivated and
disciplined, but nah...it's genetics I tell you! It's the fat American
culture and society! McDonalds, that's it. I'll have to start eating
there so I can sue THEM!
Need a wide angle these days for the middle.
Bill C

So that was you bundled up riding the support/pacing motorcycle in that
pic, right?

IIRC, you had been recovering from an illness/injury, correct?

I am too. If you don't have a trainer, I'd suggest thinking about riding
that too.

It's been a great help normalizing my posture and cadence and stuff. You
can really see where you're expending energy on the bike just to stay in
position, though I think one might have a slightly more nose-up saddle on
the trainer (I'm sliding off of mine, though on the road it feels right
in
that config).

I rode the new trainer for an hour and a half today, -EASY-. I mean it
was
like recreation. It took me almost 1/2 hour to get warmed up and used to
the position, though, with my sciatica. Settled down after that and got
the
next hour in pure relaxed joy.

Might have to put the road bike up on the trainer and check it also, but
it
will mainly be for the hybrid. Had -no- idea how easy and quick it is to
get the bike on the trainer. Smooth, quiet. If I had known this I'd have
gotten one ages ago.

-jet

Thanks for the suggestion. I've been trying to get up the motivation
to break it out again, and I was having a good summer riding and thanks
to Brian smacking me upside the head regularly I didn't overdo it for
once and stayed motivated. Now that my daughter has turned 16 we can
hit the YMCA gym together, and she's got enough motivation and good
sense for both of us.
Things are looking up here, and I hope they are for you too.
Bill C

We'll be doing the Great River Ride come October 06. If not the full
century, at least the metric.

B.

Bill C said:

Quoted message said:

Might have to put the road bike up on the trainer and check it also, but it
will mainly be for the hybrid. Had -no- idea how easy and quick it is to
get the bike on the trainer. Smooth, quiet. If I had known this I'd have
gotten one ages ago.

-jet

Thanks for the suggestion. I've been trying to get up the motivation
to break it out again, and I was having a good summer riding and thanks
to Brian smacking me upside the head regularly I didn't overdo it for
once and stayed motivated. Now that my daughter has turned 16 we can
hit the YMCA gym together, and she's got enough motivation and good
sense for both of us.
Things are looking up here, and I hope they are for you too.
Bill C

Back atcha, good buddy.

You're very experienced, so not to you, but don't have to crank that wheel
tight to roller. Spin. Use gears to shift for load. Get Hydraulic trainer -
not mag. Quiet. Nice.

Bonus: Performance has 'price protex'. Trainer was on sale and didn't
realize it on Mon. So went back to store, got refund of $50 bucks with a
smile. Bought a couple things, spare chain, etc. ($190, sale $140)

Believe me after struggling a bit with the old flywheel Sta. bike, the
trainer is -nice-. Neat to find that an hour's of mild torture on the sta
bike daily translates to a nice, joyful ride of two hours, easily on the
trainer. Got an bike fit-check as I said. Will nose up the saddle a bit.
Riding no hands on trainer can tell you things if you're not adjusted
right, imo.

Could not really ride standing on trainer - too heavy at, now 215, still.
Lost 10lbs due to the extra riding in Sept. (yay!) Pants all falling down.

Cleared up the scary health problems from this weekend. Life is good.

-jet

Bill C said:

Things are looking up here

Good to hear that.

Michael Press said:

Quoted message said:

When you guys finish with your Al Bundy-esque memories, listen here.
There are people out there doping for group training rides. Not races,
rides. The honor system won't work in a "clean" division any better
than it works anywhere else in society.

Does anyone wish to confirm this about training rides? Are
they practicing their doping technique? Makes sense to me.

I've had a few people tell me that they've taken B-12 injections and
other non-banned, but ridicuously unneeded substances for the weekly
training rides. Not that B-12 is banned, but if jabbing yourself in the
ass (or having your spouse/significant other do it for you) for the
Wednesday Ride is considered acceptable pack conversation, I can only
imagine what is not admitted in conversation. Now to be absolutely
objective, I've not witnessed the actual injections, so I'm only going
on what's been said first hand. Some of the people are known
bullshitters, some are not. By and large, these people are state level
riders at best and work full time, not full time athletes.

Jet said:

So that was you bundled up riding the [..] motorcycle in that
pic, right?

Backstedt could've used Bill on a derny.

Michael Press said:

Quoted message said:

Does anyone wish to confirm this about training rides? Are
they practicing their doping technique? Makes sense to me.

Quoted message said:

Not that B-12 is banned, but if jabbing yourself in the
ass (or having your spouse/significant other do it for you) for the
Wednesday Ride is considered acceptable pack conversation, I can only
imagine what is not admitted in conversation.

Having your spouse/significant other jab you in the ass is a comparatively
tame way of getting your kicks in these permissive times. I wonder if a
nurse uniform for the SO is a requirement.

I've had people tell me they took androgen and creatine for training
rides and local races. I've seen people slamming Pseudofed and Coke
before local races. I expect people will have taken a lot of No-Doze
or other caffeine pills.

I'm not sure to what extent this "doping" has gone to the next level of
real amphetamines, steroids, or speed, but I expect there is a bit of
this in the USCF. It's not about winning the cash, it is about
winning, period.

Carl Sundquist said:

I've had a few people tell me that they've taken B-12 injections and
other non-banned, but ridicuously unneeded substances for the weekly
training rides. Not that B-12 is banned, but if jabbing yourself in the
ass (or having your spouse/significant other do it for you) for the
Wednesday Ride is considered acceptable pack conversation, I can only
imagine what is not admitted in conversation. Now to be absolutely
objective, I've not witnessed the actual injections, so I'm only going
on what's been said first hand. Some of the people are known
bullshitters, some are not. By and large, these people are state level
riders at best and work full time, not full time athletes.

Robert Chung said:

Jet said:

So that was you bundled up riding the [..] motorcycle in that
pic, right?

Backstedt could've used Bill on a derny.

Hey I'd have made a great big hole for him. Some of those drivers
don't look much smaller though. I wonder if there's a limit on the size
of the derny rider? I'd love to try that sometime. Still haven't
ridden on a track at all. Had a chance a couple of times with the kids
at T-Town, but just watched.
Bill C

Bill C said:

Quoted message said:

Backstedt could've used Bill on a derny.

Hey I'd have made a great big hole for him. Some of those drivers
don't look much smaller though. I wonder if there's a limit on the size
of the derny rider? I'd love to try that sometime. Still haven't
ridden on a track at all. Had a chance a couple of times with the kids
at T-Town, but just watched.
Bill C

UCI Rule 3.6.063

Attire of moped pacers

All pacers shall wear the same attire:
a) a light, short-sleeved pullover
b) a clinging rider's jersey with patch pockets; long sleeves shall
be allowed; the commissaires
may permit the wearing of a supplementary racing jersey
c) shorts (tight black descending to mid-thigh)
d) special black shoes known as "cyclists' shoes" and all-white
or all-black socks
e) a pair of racing gloves or a pair of normal unlined gloves but not
gauntlet gloves
f) a moulded shell hat of the type worn by stayers; it may have neither
ear-flaps nor leather, felt
or cloth strips that could act as artificial wind-breakers.

http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/3trac-E.pdf

Rulebook pg 56, pdf pg 58

Motorpacers attire (the preceding rule) is much more specific.