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Does running improve lung function?

I'm in fair health but have trouble breathing I went to the
doctor many times and nothing works. I do alot of walking.

If your doctor found nothing wrong with your lungs, most
likely you are short of breath because of limited/poor
cardiovascular fitness. As long as you have medical
clearance to start a running program (i.e., you do not have
anything like heart disease), running is probably the best
thing you can do to improve your situation.

But running does little to improve the lungs specifically.

Lyndon "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!"
--US Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson

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Does running improve lung function?

I'm in fair health but have trouble breathing I went to
the doctor many times and nothing works. I do alot of
walking.

Building on what Lyndon said, here's a post from 1995 that
spoke to the breathing issue many people deal with:

Subject: Re: Breathing Followup-To: rec.running Date: 27 Aug
1995 05:22:19 GMT Organization: Int'l Association of
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Some quick thoughts and observations on breathing:

1. Keeping the same cadence, my speed depends on the lean
of the body from ankle to the top of the head. The more
the lean, the faster I go and the quicker I have to
move my foot through its cycle while maintaining the
same cadence.

2. When I am running slowly, 9 to 10 minute pace, I can
breathe 8 steps out and 4 or 6 steps in. That means I
get one cycle of air every 12 to 14 steps.

3. As I speed up, but maintaining the same cadence I will
shorten the breathe cycle so that my perceived effort
(Borg Scale) will support my increased speed.

4. As my speed increases I take in the same volume of air
with each cycle. I would go from an 8 out/4 in to a 6
out/4 in to a 5 out/4 in to a 4out/4in to a 4 out/3 in
to a 3out/3in, to a 3out/2in, to a 2out/2in. So not
changing my cadence, I can run faster and go from a
one breath cycle in 12 steps(8out/4in) to a 3 breath
cycle in 12 steps (2out/2in). Why breathe 2out/2in all
the time when I don't need that much O2 to run a
slower pace.

Aren't I overusing the diaphram unnecessarily-which takes
extra energy?

5. If someone breathes 2out/2in all the time, where do
they go for more O2 when they run faster? Using my
breathing as gears, (gotta think about that metaphor),
I can maintain the same cadence and go from a 10
minute/mile pace to a 7 minute mile. I use my breathing
to support me as I pick up my speed while maintaining
the same step cadence. (If you've seen the Marine Corps
Silent Drill Team, you'll know what I mean)

6. At times when I am really pushing a run and want to
keep my mind from going into panic from O2 deprevation,
I use an 3 breath cycle in 8 steps to keep me focused
as I keep the body oxygenated. The breathing during the
8 steps is:
in/out/in/out/in-in/out-out. This cycle makes it easier to
get in a 3rd cycle where most people would only get 2
cycles(2out/2in/2out/2in). This gives me a slight edge
as I am getting one more cycle of air every 8 steps
than you are.

7. The problem for most runners with breathing is not that
they can't get enough air in, it's that they can't get
enough air out. I train people to march in place and
count their steps, starting at 10 out/4in and working
up to 20 out/2in. People have to gasp for air not
because they can't get enough air in, they haven't
gotten enough air out, so that they can relax on the 2,
or 3 or 4 steps of breathing in with no effort.

8. In a marathon you are in a trance from about mile 15
onward. It is the breathing that keeps the mind focused
and in the present. If I am tired, depleted of muscle
glycogen and liver glycogen (feeds the brain), I will
be moving slowly at a 10 minute/mile pace and breathing
with a 2 cycle breath for 8 steps or even a 3 cycle
breath for 8 steps. I need the O2 to keep the mind and
body going since I've depleted the energy stores.

9. If you listen to a respirator, it is so monotonous that
it can put you to sleep. Breathing for me is that
respirator. I breath out as many steps as comfortable
to support my pace so that I can relax in for 2,3,4, or
more steps. I never gasp for air. I have gotten all the
air out, and figuratively created a vaccuum so that
when I relax the diaphram, the atmosphere breathes me.

10. When running with someone and using an even number of
breathes in and out, i.e. (3out/3in; 4out/4in;
2out/2in) I do reciprocating breathe. Your 2out are my
2/in and vice versa. So after a while we have created a
reciprocating engine where I am breathing you and you
are breathing me. As you breathe out, you are helping
me breathe in. Again, it further helps the trance state
occuring in longer distances. It calms the mind/brain,
which always wants to know that it has enough O2 so
that it won't have to worry.

11. I have found over the years that many people have
injuries to one side of their body. One observation is
that they use symmetric breathing. That means when you
add up the number of steps in one cycle of
breathing(5out/3in; 4out/4in; 9out/3in) and they are
even then you will always be landing on the same foot
at the beginning of each cycle. With asymmetric
breathing (4out/3in, 7out/4in; 5out/2in) every cycle
you will be landing or opposite foot at the beginning
of each cycle.

12. There's a lot of other "stuff" to talk about but
that's enough overload for now. There will be many who
say that this is obsessive/compulsive about counting
or changing breathe patterns. It's stated: "Just run
and your breathing will take care of you." These are
some things I've played with over the years and taught
to a large number of people.

I'm interested in hearing your comments. Have any of you
read Ian Jackson's book from a few years ago about
Breathe Play.

In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang

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I've never tried 2x1, but you have my curiosity up enough
that I will try it now. Thanks!

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Rob Ridley, Cochrane, Alberta

Try it, it's different. I breathe asymetricly all the time
when running. Supposedly it keeps you from favoring any
one leg strike.

I have no idea if it accomplishes anything, but why
be normal?

It takes some concentration when you first do it, but
after a while it becomes second nature. I would imagine
it's nearly impossible to do while wearing headphones
with music.

Mike Tennent WebRunner Running Page -- Southeast USA Race
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'trouble breathing' means .... and what way do youmean lung
fucntion?? do you have a lung disease?? plodzilla

A Man under authority said:

Does running improve lung function?

I'm in fair health but have trouble breathing I went to
the doctor many times and nothing works. I do alot of
walking.

clown

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John, Doesn't webtv have the reply feature? Sine you never
include the post that you agree or disagree with, We
haven't any idea who you are replying to or about. You
replied to current thread "A question" which had a few hits
and simply typed clown. Who is the recipient of the coveted
clown award?

-Doug

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John, Doesn't webtv have the reply feature? Sine you never
include the post that you agree or disagree with, We
haven't any idea who you are replying to or about.

"rick++" does this too. I've tried to hint to him a few
times that many people won't know who he's talking to or
what the original post was about, but he doesn't seem to
understand. You'd think a programmer (I'm guess he is one,
with the ++ in his nickname) wound have a better
understanding of how usenet operates, with all the differnet
readers and retention rates.

cheers,
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insecure people are the ones you see putting other people
down constantly."

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clown

John, Doesn't webtv have the reply feature? Sine you never
include the post that you agree or disagree with, We
haven't any idea who you are replying to or about. You
replied to current thread "A question" which had a few
hits and simply typed clown. Who is the recipient of the
coveted clown award?

Most newsgroup readers have a "get parent" feature. Since
I'm already on the clown list, I already knew it was not my
award this time. This time it was another webtv user.

Clowns to the right of me, jokers to the left Here I am
stuck in the middle with you

That's my political comment for today.

Phil M.

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"I gotta go. You're killin' me."

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clown

John, Doesn't webtv have the reply feature? Sine you never
include the post that you agree or disagree with, We
haven't any idea who you are replying to or about.

What you need is a good newsreader that threads things
properly. Even Outlook Express reveals which message John's
replied to. ;-)

Tim

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clown

John, Doesn't webtv have the reply feature? Sine
you never

include

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the post that you agree or disagree with, We haven't any
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or about.

"rick++" does this too. I've tried to hint to him a few
times that many people won't know who he's talking to or
what the original post was about, but he doesn't seem to
understand. You'd think a programmer (I'm guess he is one,
with the ++ in his nickname)

Goes to show the dangerous mind destruction for all that OO
blather. Wanna guarantee mass confusion, use OO and ++. 🙂

-Doug

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What you need is a good newsreader that threads things
properly. Even Outlook Express reveals which message
John's replied to. ;-)

Regardless of newsreader employed, people tend to do a
cleanup every few days - week and delete the old headers so
they aren't sorting through thousands of posts... and if
someone replies to one of those older messages, it's often
hard to remember what it was.

Also, sometimes servers screw up and post the re: before the
actual message. It happens to me from time to time.

cheers,
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David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see putting other people
down constantly."