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A Road To Nowhere - Cracking the Plateau

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  1. The Road To Nowhere

    At some point we all find our weekly results slowing down after the
    initial loss. This is very common, especially amongst people who have
    been sedentary or haven't exercised prior to the program. However as
    long as fat is coming off, even if they are small amounts, your
    training and nutrition plan is working. Nevertheless many will find
    that all progress stops completely one week. In this instance the first
    thing to do is continue as you were and see if that result was just an
    anomaly. If, however, it is not you have reached what is known as the
    'plateau'.

    'Plateau Breaker 101'

    Rule #1: Stay happy. Stay Focused. Remember this happens to everyone
    - yes it's disheartening, you're putting in so much and getting
    nothing in return but it will pass, only if you keep a Positive Mental
    Attitude. The very worst thing you can do is quit. Just because you
    have stopped losing fat doesn't mean you've failed. You only fail
    if you quit. Never give up.

    Rule #2: Before trying anything else look back over the period that you
    haven't lost any fat in. What was it like - were there any
    celebrations? A night of heavy drinking can set you back a week in fat
    loss. Were there any emotionally turbulent or stressful periods? Or
    perhaps you just had a couple more reward meals than you should have?
    If none of these are factors then check out the next steps -
    otherwise carry on, it was probably just a bad week.

    Rule #3: Altering the program. There are ways to tweak the program to
    jolt you out of a plateau. Changing the weights aspect won't help
    much but within your cardiovascular and nutritional program there are
    things that can be done.

    Cardio; Unless you've really been eating too much the best thing is
    to create a larger calorie deficit by upping the ante with your cardio
    program.

    4 ways to hyper-charge cardio
    1) Go longer - but only up to a maximum of an hour, after that you
    start getting less bang for your buck.
    2) Go harder - if you're running 4 miles in 30 minutes try going
    for 4.5 in the same time. Really push yourself, unless you're already
    training at 85% of your maximum heart rate, in which case you won't
    be able to go much harder and see an improvement.
    3) Interval training - sprint a minute, 30-40 seconds rest, sprint a
    minute etc. etc. This is a great calorie burner especially if you've
    been stuck in a 'steady-state' cardio rut and the 'metabolic
    high' will last for longer after your workout.
    4) Go more often - up to six days until the plateau is broken. If
    this is still not working you could try going twice a day - however I
    stress this isn't a long term solution just something to give you an
    extra push over the hill and out of the plateau.

    Nutrition; changing your nutrition program isn't the ideal way to go
    but to get you out of the plateau its sometimes necessary.

    1) Lower your calories - but only if you're not in a calorie
    deficit already. Lowering your calorie intake to the extreme will
    initiate the starvation response and that's worse than being stuck in
    a plateau.
    2) Eat better foods - make sure you're eating the healthiest
    possible foods.
    3) Zig-Zag - this method can be very effective and we'll go into it
    in more depth in the next section, but in essence you alternate between
    a high and low carbohydrate diet every few days which can really jump
    start your metabolism.

    Rule #4: Take a break. Even the most seasoned professional athlete
    needs to take a rest sometimes and recover. It's not difficult and
    also quite common for your body to become accustomed to the nutritional
    fitness regimes you subject it to, so sometimes taking a break and
    starting a fresh re-starts the motor with new vigour. The downside I
    found with this is that taking three, four or up to seven days off
    really plays around with your newly programmed mindset - wilfully
    breaking habits you've just spent the last while desperately trying
    to create. You sit there thinking you should be out and you're going
    to put lots of weight back on, but even putting a pound or two back on
    has the effect of going back one step and helps set you up to go
    forward three.

    Finally...

    At the end of the day your results are the only true benchmark of
    whether you're getting it right. What's worked for me, may not work
    for you, but then again it might. All you can do is put tried and
    tested methods into practice and see what happens. If it works -
    fantastic, if not try something different, if you're doing something
    everybody says is a big no-no and you keep producing results -
    don't listen to them. You are your own master, decide for yourself.

    Tim Kazinski
    [email hidden]
    For more info and to read a free report visit
    www.worldhealthclinic.org

  2. Horsepucky.

    The best answer to a stall is the Atkins "Fat Fast."
    Link: http://atkins.com/Archive/2001/12/21-237659.html

    Quoted message said:

    1) Lower your calories - but only if you're not in a calorie
    deficit already. Lowering your calorie intake to the extreme will
    initiate the starvation response and that's worse than being stuck in
    a plateau.

    There is no such thing as starvation mode. It is a myth.

    Quoted message said:

    3) Zig-Zag - this method can be very effective and we'll go into it
    in more depth in the next section, but in essence you alternate between
    a high and low carbohydrate diet every few days which can really jump
    start your metabolism.

    Transition from carb based to Ketone based metabolism or the reverse is
    unpleasant. Body builders do this in trying to lose the last bit of fat.
    It has no advantage in an overweight person. Why hurt yourself? Stay in
    Ketosis and follow the Fat Fast at the link above.

    Cubit
    311/211/165

  3. Cubit said:
    Quoted message said:

    1) Lower your calories - but only if you're not in a calorie
    deficit already. Lowering your calorie intake to the extreme will
    initiate the starvation response and that's worse than being stuck in
    a plateau.

    There is no such thing as starvation mode. It is a myth.

    Could you clarify what you mean? It is far from a myth that one's metabolism
    slows down markedly if one reduces caloric intake too far; it's the body's
    survival mechanism, burning fewer calories than normal so as to prevent
    starvation---hence the moniker "starvation mode."

    ..:. Craig

  4. One study showed that when body fat falls below the setpoint for that
    individual, the body becomes 15% more efficient in its use of calories. The
    15% is not in response to recent caloric intake.

    The myth you cited is common thoughout dieting literature. However, there
    is no scientific basis. Dieters hate to restrict their calories. They will
    rationalize anything to justify eating more, when their bodies demand it.

    There were no obese people in German concentration camps. Life on 600
    calories per day leads to weightloss and death.

    Being sufficiently calorie restricted leads to distortion of the mind. The
    dieter will record false information in food logs and truly believe that
    they are eating less, when in fact they are eating more. Thus, it may
    subjectively appear that severe calorie restriction stopped their
    weightloss. This may be how the myth became popular.

    "Craig Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Cubit said:
    Quoted message said:

    1) Lower your calories - but only if you're not in a calorie
    deficit already. Lowering your calorie intake to the extreme will
    initiate the starvation response and that's worse than being stuck in
    a plateau.

    There is no such thing as starvation mode. It is a myth.

    Could you clarify what you mean? It is far from a myth that one's


    metabolism

    Quoted message said:

    slows down markedly if one reduces caloric intake too far; it's the body's
    survival mechanism, burning fewer calories than normal so as to prevent
    starvation---hence the moniker "starvation mode."

    .:. Craig

  5. x-no-archive: yes

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    The myth you cited is common thoughout dieting literature. However, there
    is no scientific basis. Dieters hate to restrict their calories. They will
    rationalize anything to justify eating more, when their bodies demand it

    It's well documented that on very low calorie (or very low carb, FTM) diets,
    active T3 thyroid hormone goes down quickly, and inactive reverse T3 goes up.

    That's not to say that metabolism ceases, but it does slow. Just not on 1200
    calories per day, which is very adequate intake.

    Susan

  6. Googling, I found a study that used 600 calories per day and reported
    reduced T3. Elsewhere there seems to be a general suggestion that low T3
    may cause obesity. However, I have not found a report of a measured
    reduction in caloric burn rate. They talk about eyelids drooping and such.
    I have known obese persons who took Synthroid (T4?) and did not lose any
    weight. I'm suspecting that a reduction of caloric burn rate from T3
    reduction would be small as a percentage.

    I would bet that those who claim to have starvation mode are above 1200
    calories per day.

    So, I'm wrong technically due to overstating my case, but I'm not wrong to
    call the popular concept of starvation mode a myth. Is that fair Susan?

    "Susan " <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    Quoted message said:


    The myth you cited is common thoughout dieting literature. However,


    there

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is no scientific basis. Dieters hate to restrict their calories. They


    will

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    rationalize anything to justify eating more, when their bodies demand it

    It's well documented that on very low calorie (or very low carb, FTM)


    diets,

    Quoted message said:

    active T3 thyroid hormone goes down quickly, and inactive reverse T3 goes


    up.

    Quoted message said:


    That's not to say that metabolism ceases, but it does slow. Just not on


    1200

    Quoted message said:

    calories per day, which is very adequate intake.

    Susan

  7. x-no-archive: yes

    Quoted message said:

    Googling, I found a study that used 600 calories per day and reported
    reduced T3. Elsewhere there seems to be a general suggestion that low T3
    may cause obesity. However, I have not found a report of a measured
    reduction in caloric burn rate. They talk about eyelids drooping and such.
    I have known obese persons who took Synthroid (T4?) and did not lose any
    weight. I'm suspecting that a reduction of caloric burn rate from T3
    reduction would be small as a >percentage.

    Your suspicions don't amount to actual scientific evidence, you realize?

    rT3, and lowered active T3 are markers for metabolic slowdown, not just droopy
    eyelids. Taking T4, which *isn't* active hormone, may well not increase
    metabolism in those who don't convert it well to active T3, as was the case for
    me.

    Quoted message said:

    I would bet that those who claim to have starvation mode are above 1200
    calories per day.

    Your wagers aren't any better evidence of scientific thinking than your
    suspicions are.

    You're making stuff up.

    Quoted message said:

    So, I'm wrong technically due to overstating my case, but I'm not wrong to
    call the popular concept of starvation mode a myth. Is that fair Susan?

    Not exactly, sorry. I like to see good cites, not suppositions.

    The fact is that metabolism slows as an adaptive survival mechanism. This
    happens in both severe calorie restriction and in ketosis, both of which are
    signals of potentially threatening food shortage and a need for conservation of
    energy.

    You're not technically wrong, you're just making it all up as you go along,
    substituting suppositions, guesswork and opinions for facts.

    Susan

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