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  1. On vacation travel over lonely roads I honk and wave at bicyclists in a friendly fashion. Last week
    traveling through SE Utah (in our camper van) and chatting with a cyclist in the same campground I
    realized the obvious: they often have trouble carrying sufficient water. Since then instead of just
    passing the rare cyclist on remote roads I stop and suggest they fill up from our supply -
    especially on hot days or a long ways between stops (as US 50 in Nevada). Fpund much appreciation
    for water as well as for a couple of minutes in the shade of the van! My suggestion is that we all
    be aware of this and be prepared to do likewise. Could be me sometime!
    --
    Steve

    Steve Juniper ([email hidden]) Berkeley, California "Every day above ground is a
    good day!"

  2. Steve Juniper said:

    On vacation travel over lonely roads I honk and wave at bicyclists in a friendly fashion. Last
    week traveling through SE Utah (in our camper van) and chatting with a cyclist in the same
    campground I realized the obvious: they often have trouble carrying sufficient water. Since
    then instead of just passing the rare cyclist on remote roads I stop and suggest they fill up
    from our supply - especially on hot days or a long ways between stops (as US 50 in Nevada).
    Fpund much appreciation for water as well as for a couple of minutes in the shade of the van!
    My suggestion is that we all be aware of this and be prepared to do likewise. Could be me
    sometime!

    It *was* me last August, half way up North Mountain in Nova Scotia. A friendly couple from San Jose
    refilled my bottles from their camper's supply - they even had an external tap so it was quick and
    easy for them.

    On the car parts of my vacation, I always had a bottle in reserver to give to a needy cyclist, but
    didn't have the opportunity to repay the karma this year.

  3. "Steve Juniper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<wAIbb.407546$Oz4.198045@rwcrnsc54>...

    Quoted message said:

    On vacation travel over lonely roads I honk and wave at bicyclists in a friendly fashion. Last
    week traveling through SE Utah (in our camper van) and chatting with a cyclist in the same
    campground I realized the obvious: they often have trouble carrying sufficient water. Since then
    instead of just passing the rare cyclist on remote roads I stop and suggest they fill up from our
    supply - especially on hot days or a long ways between stops (as US 50 in Nevada). Fpund much
    appreciation for water as well as for a couple of minutes in the shade of the van! My suggestion
    is that we all be aware of this and be prepared to do likewise. Could be me sometime!

    The world needs more people like you in it.

  4. Steve Juniper said:

    On vacation travel over lonely roads I honk and wave at bicyclists in a friendly fashion. Last
    week traveling through SE Utah (in our camper van) and chatting with a cyclist in the same
    campground I realized the obvious: they often have trouble carrying sufficient water. Since
    then instead of just passing the rare cyclist on remote roads I stop and suggest they fill up
    from our supply - especially on hot days or a long ways between stops (as US 50 in Nevada).
    Fpund much appreciation for water as well as for a couple of minutes in the shade of the van!
    My suggestion is that we all be aware of this and be prepared to do likewise. Could be me
    sometime!

    Dang. I just returned from a car/hike trip around Zion, and passed dozens of cyclists. Especially
    the area around Bryce, where there seemed to be a semi-organized tour in progress. It didn't occur
    to me to help with water, despite the fact that I'm a serious-enough cyclist to consider doing that
    ride myself.

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    --
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    could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in
    charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

  5. Quoted message said:

    On vacation travel over lonely roads I honk and wave at bicyclists in a friendly fashion. Last
    week traveling through SE Utah (in our camper van) and chatting with a cyclist in the same
    campground I realized the obvious: they often have trouble carrying sufficient water. Since
    then instead of just passing the rare cyclist on remote roads I stop and suggest they fill up
    from our supply - especially on hot days or a long ways between stops (as US 50 in Nevada).
    Fpund much appreciation for water as well as for a couple of minutes in the shade of the van!
    My suggestion is that we all be aware of this and be prepared to do likewise. Could be me
    sometime!

    A reasonable and appreciated idea, particularly if you have a sense there has been a headwind or
    extreme heat, or also a holiday like 4th of July when stores are closed.

    I had the "offered water" phenomen happen to me at least half a dozen times when I rode around
    Australia, though only once or twice in North America (I've ridden US 50 across Nevada). A few
    factors helped for Australia vs. Western US

    -- distances between known water stops in north of Australia was up to 265km, vs. 125km on
    US 50 in Nevada. Some of those water stops at roadhouses sold water at $ more expensive than
    equivalent gasoline or had salty bore water. -- in some places, there is only one sealed
    road. Hence, caravaners may pass you a few different days since they occasionally stop to
    camp for a day or two and then you pass on your bicycle. -- I was told by one caravaner or
    "gray nomad" (similar to the "snowbird" phenomenon in USA except more nomadic), that many of
    them were of age to have children and would pass me on my bicycle and think, "that could be
    my son/daughter".

    Since then, I've come to appreciate that more. At the same time, as a cycle tourist I think it is
    foolish to set off without sufficient water to get through most situations. A base guideline that
    worked for me in Australia was 1 liter per 20km plus 2 liters for an overnight. Hence, that meant in
    the 265km gap, I started off with 16 liters of water (a little over 4 gallons). If I knew it was
    going to be warm or windy, then I'd add to my guideline. I would also try to ride in such a way to
    avoid any extreme heat in the afternoon. One of the useful things I picked up in Australia was a
    water bag... essentially the inside of one of those "wine in a box" containers, but empty and then
    to be filled with water. A lightweight container that folds away but can carry up to 6 liters if
    necessary.

    --mev, Mike Vermeulen

  6. (Mike Vermeulen) said:

    A lightweight container that folds away but can carry up to 6 liters if necessary.

    Quoted message said:

    A lightweight container that folds away but can carry up to 6 liters if necessary.

    That is a lot of extra weight to be hauling. One Gallon weighs 8 lbs. Which means your carrying 32
    to 48 lbs of water, depending on if you start with 4 or 6 gallons.

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  7. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    (Mike Vermeulen) said:

    A lightweight container that folds away but can carry up to 6 liters if necessary.

    Quoted message said:

    A lightweight container that folds away but can carry up to 6 liters if necessary.

    That is a lot of extra weight to be hauling. One Gallon weighs 8 lbs.

    But a liter only weighs about 2.2 lbs...

    Better than running out of water, IMO.

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    Dave Kerber Fight spam: remove the ns_ from the return address before replying!

    REAL programmers write self-modifying code.

  8. "David Kerber" <ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    (Mike Vermeulen) said:

    A lightweight container that folds away but can carry up to 6 liters if necessary.

    Quoted message said:

    A lightweight container that folds away but can carry up to 6 liters if necessary.

    That is a lot of extra weight to be hauling. One Gallon weighs 8 lbs.

    But a liter only weighs about 2.2 lbs...

    One more reason to use the metric system. Lighter water!

    ;-)

  9. Mike Vermeulen said:

    Since then, I've come to appreciate that more. At the same time, as a cycle tourist I think it is
    foolish to set off without sufficient water to get through most situations. A base guideline that
    worked for me in Australia was 1 liter per 20km plus 2 liters for an overnight. Hence, that meant
    in the 265km gap, I started off with 16 liters of water (a little over 4 gallons). If I knew it
    was going to be warm or windy, then I'd add to my guideline. I would also try to ride in such a
    way to avoid any extreme heat in the afternoon. One of the useful things I picked up in Australia
    was a water bag... essentially the inside of one of those "wine in a box" containers, but empty
    and then to be filled with water. A lightweight container that folds away but can carry up to 6
    liters if necessary.

    --mev, Mike Vermeulen

    There's "sufficient" water and there's "ample" water. I can get by on a certain amount of water,
    riding fairly strongly, but if I have ample water, I can ride more strongly and more comfortably. If
    I rely only on my carrying capacity, I'll take enough water to make the ride, just. Rarely do I
    return from a serious ride with water in the bottles. Much of the water I pick up on the route will
    go on my face, but if I have to drink all of it, I don't want to waste a drop on simple cooling.

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace xmission.com~lawall "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we
    could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in
    charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

  10. David Kerber ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That is a lot of extra weight to be hauling. One Gallon weighs 8 lbs.

    But a liter only weighs about 2.2 lbs...

    I hope your kidding. You really aren't saying that changing the standard of measurement for a
    given quantity changes the weight of the quantity. But just in case: It takes 3.78 liters to equal
    1 gal. and
    3.78 X 2.2lbs = 8+ lbs.

    Quoted message said:

    Better than running out of water, IMO.

    IMO, I wouldn't map out a route that made me carry 35 lbs (16 liters) of water unless I was totally
    out of alternative options.

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  11. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    David Kerber ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That is a lot of extra weight to be hauling. One Gallon weighs 8 lbs.

    But a liter only weighs about 2.2 lbs...

    I hope your kidding. You really aren't saying that changing the standard of measurement for a
    given quantity changes the weight of the quantity. But just in case: It takes 3.78 liters to equal
    1 gal. and
    3.78 X 2.2lbs = 8+ lbs.

    Of course not (wouldn't it be great if it could work that way!). When he snipped the previous
    message, I couldn't tell what volume of water he was referring to; it looked to me like he got mixed
    up in how much water he was weighing and was saying that 6 _liters_ would weigh 48 lbs. If he
    actually meant 6 gallons (which would be correct) then that's my bad for mis-reading his response.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Better than running out of water, IMO.

    IMO, I wouldn't map out a route that made me carry 35 lbs (16 liters) of water unless I was
    totally out of alternative options.

    In the Australian outback which he was describing, and probably in parts of the western US, that
    might be the case.

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  12. Since we're quibbling, I'll point out that you would be carryng an AVERAGE or only 17.5 pounds of
    water, assuming it is being consumed as you ride...

    Steve Juniper

    "It is not enough to be compassionate - you must act!" Tenzing Gyatso, the 14th Dalai Lama

    ----- Original Message -----

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Better than running out of water, IMO.

    Quoted message said:

    IMO, I wouldn't map out a route that made me carry 35 lbs (16 liters) of water unless I was totally
    out of alternative options.

  13. Steve Juniper said:

    Since we're quibbling, I'll point out that you would be carryng an AVERAGE or only 17.5 pounds of
    water, assuming it is being consumed as you ride...

    Steve Juniper

    Well I hadn't considered it 'quibbling' when I stated that it's a lot of weight (35 lbs) to carry
    along with everything else when starting out on a long trip. As for the AVERAGE, you mean that you
    take 0 lbs (No water) on the 'last day' and 35 lbs (16 liters) on the '1st day' and arrive at
    17.5lbs for 'every day'. That works about as well as averaging your tire pressure when you have a
    slow leak. 🙂

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