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  1. "A Wake-Up Call for Caffeine Addicts", Sci-Tech Today, March 8, 2006,
    Link: http://www.sci-tech-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=0200001C4OK4

    The findings of a new medical study might be enough to make you spit
    out your morning coffee. And that could be a good thing -- at least for
    half of you.

    A study of 4,000 coffee drinkers has found that two or more cups each
    day can increase the risk of heart disease -- but only for those with a
    genetic mutation that slows the break-down of caffeine in the body.

    In diverse urban areas, the mutation is found in roughly half of all
    people. People without the mutation can drink as much coffee as they
    like with no added risk of a heart attack, the scientists said.

    Unfortunately, there's no commercial test for the mutation, which now
    puts coffee die-hards in a bit of a quandary.

    "I don't know what to think," said Donna Carmichael, 50, as she waited
    for a train at Union Station.

    "How do you know if you've got the gene?" she said. She usually drinks
    about three cups of coffee a day. "If it's genetic, though, who's going
    to go out and get tested?"

    The findings, published in the Journal of the American Medical
    Association, could explain why previous investigations into caffeine's
    effect on the heart have produced conflicting results. Some reports
    have tied coffee to an increase in heart disease, while others have
    found no effect.

    Ahmed El-Sohemy, a University of Toronto scientist involved in the
    study, said earlier reports failed to account for the genetic
    differences among people.

    "One size does not fit all," he said.

    People who metabolized caffeine slowly and drank two to three cups of
    coffee each day had a 32 percent higher risk of heart attack, according
    to the study. Those consuming four cups or more had a 64 percent
    greater risk. A single cup of coffee had no effect on heart attack
    risk, researchers found.

    How this will affect America's addiction to caffeine remains to be
    seen. Coffee drinkers in the U.S. -- about half of all adults -- - gulp
    an average of three cups of coffee daily and spend more than $17
    billion a year keeping themselves fully caffeinated. The findings are
    "interesting, plausible and worthy of further study," said Dr. David
    Robertson, a professor of medicine and pharmacology at Vanderbilt
    University.

    But he said the results needed to be confirmed through additional
    research and that consumers shouldn't worry about changing their
    coffee-drinking habits.

  2. If this finding is accurate, it is highly likely that having
    arachidonic acid in one's cells, which is now common for those on
    typical Western diets, makes the situation much worse, but these people
    don't realize this. There is no doubt that this fatty acid is
    responsible for various "chronic diseases," which is why there are so
    many COX-2 inhibitors on the market (as well as drugs targeting LTB4s),
    and it's clear that the body is hyper-responsive in many ways because
    of it. This is why fish oil is being advocated, though it is highly
    toxic in its own ways. Get the arachidonic acid out of your body
    (rather than "attenuating" it with fish oil) and you will not have to
    worry about these kinds of things.

  3. "Roman Bystrianyk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "A Wake-Up Call for Caffeine Addicts", Sci-Tech Today, March 8, 2006,

    A typical lying statement of the actual research.

    Do you know what percentage of the population has that gene?

  4. "montygram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    If this finding is accurate, it is highly likely that having
    arachidonic acid in one's cells, which is now common for those on
    typical Western diets, makes the situation much worse, but these people
    don't realize this. There is no doubt that this fatty acid is
    responsible for various "chronic diseases," which is why there are so
    many COX-2 inhibitors on the market (as well as drugs targeting LTB4s),
    and it's clear that the body is hyper-responsive in many ways because
    of it. This is why fish oil is being advocated, though it is highly
    toxic in its own ways. Get the arachidonic acid out of your body
    (rather than "attenuating" it with fish oil) and you will not have to
    worry about these kinds of things.

    You apparently don't have a clue what genetic means. Oh well.

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  6. vernon wrote:
    : "Roman Bystrianyk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    : news:[email hidden]...
    :: "A Wake-Up Call for Caffeine Addicts", Sci-Tech Today, March 8, 2006,
    :
    : A typical lying statement of the actual research.
    :
    : Do you know what percentage of the population has that gene?

    In the study the percentage was 54%.

    --
    Juhana

  7. "Juhana Harju" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    vernon wrote:
    : "Roman Bystrianyk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    : news:[email hidden]...
    :: "A Wake-Up Call for Caffeine Addicts", Sci-Tech Today, March 8, 2006,
    :
    : A typical lying statement of the actual research.
    :
    : Do you know what percentage of the population has that gene?

    In the study the percentage was 54%.

    --
    Juhana

    54% of what? of which race, of which cultural background?
    You read 54% without question.

  8. vernon wrote:
    : "Juhana Harju" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    : news:[email hidden]...
    :: vernon wrote:
    ::: "Roman Bystrianyk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    ::: news:[email hidden]...
    :::: "A Wake-Up Call for Caffeine Addicts", Sci-Tech Today, March 8,
    :::: 2006,
    :::
    ::: A typical lying statement of the actual research.
    :::
    ::: Do you know what percentage of the population has that gene?
    ::
    :: In the study the percentage was 54%.
    :
    : 54% of what? of which race, of which cultural background?
    : You read 54% without question.

    Read the study and you'll know more.

    --
    Juhana

  9. "Juhana Harju" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    vernon wrote:
    : "Juhana Harju" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    : news:[email hidden]...
    :: vernon wrote:
    ::: "Roman Bystrianyk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    ::: news:[email hidden]...
    :::: "A Wake-Up Call for Caffeine Addicts", Sci-Tech Today, March 8,
    :::: 2006,
    :::
    ::: A typical lying statement of the actual research.
    :::
    ::: Do you know what percentage of the population has that gene?
    ::
    :: In the study the percentage was 54%.
    :
    : 54% of what? of which race, of which cultural background?
    : You read 54% without question.

    Read the study and you'll know more.

    --
    Juhana

    I read the complete study, not the N.Y. hype which was copied in most of
    the printed news media.

    54% of what? of which race, of which cultural background?
    You read 54% without question

    You didn't answer the question because you don't know.

  10. vernon said:

    "Juhana Harju" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    vernon wrote:
    : "Juhana Harju" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    : news:[email hidden]...
    :: vernon wrote:
    ::: "Roman Bystrianyk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    ::: news:[email hidden]...
    :::: "A Wake-Up Call for Caffeine Addicts", Sci-Tech Today, March 8,
    :::: 2006,
    :::
    ::: A typical lying statement of the actual research.
    :::
    ::: Do you know what percentage of the population has that gene?
    ::
    :: In the study the percentage was 54%.
    :
    : 54% of what? of which race, of which cultural background?
    : You read 54% without question.

    Read the study and you'll know more.

    --
    Juhana

    I read the complete study, not the N.Y. hype which was copied in most of
    the printed news media.

    54% of what? of which race, of which cultural background?
    You read 54% without question

    You didn't answer the question because you don't know.

    Do tell.

  11. Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:34:57 -0700 in article
    <[email hidden]> "vernon"

    Quoted message said:


    "Juhana Harju" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    vernon wrote:
    : "Roman Bystrianyk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    : news:[email hidden]...
    :: "A Wake-Up Call for Caffeine Addicts", Sci-Tech Today, March 8, 2006,
    :
    : A typical lying statement of the actual research.
    :
    : Do you know what percentage of the population has that gene?

    In the study the percentage was 54%.

    --
    Juhana

    54% of what? of which race, of which cultural background?
    You read 54% without question.


    That's a valid question, because the caffeine metabolizing enzyme CYP1A2's
    allele's CYP1A2*1F's (which causes slow metabolism of caffeine in its
    carriers) frequency varies tremendously among different ethnic groups.
    Among caucasians allele's CYP1A2*1F frequency is 0.68 or 68%. From this we
    can estimate the ratio of 1F carriers among caucasians using the formula
    p² + 2·p·(1 - p) = 0.68*0.68 + 2*0.68*0.32 = 0.8976 or about 90% (see
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allele> and
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardy-Weinberg_principle>😉, which is clearly
    greater than 54-55% in the study. The study's participants were from Costa
    Rica and probably included a large number of people from other ethnic
    groups besides caucasians.

    Reference:

    Cornelis MC, El-Sohemy A, Kabagambe EK, Campos H.
    Coffee, CYP1A2 genotype, and risk of myocardial infarction.
    JAMA. 2006 Mar 8;295(10):1135-41.
    PMID: 16522833 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
    <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&list_uids=16522833&dopt=Abstract>
    <http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/295/10/1135>

    Comments:

    ScienceDaily: Coffee Consumption Linked To Increased Risk Of Heart Attack
    For Persons With Certain Gene Variation
    <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060308084523.htm>

    Coffee Intake, Slow Caffeine Metabolism May Increase Risk for Nonfatal MI
    <http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/525016>

    CYP1A2 Caffeine-Processing Gene and Heart Attacks Genetics and Health
    <http://www.geneticsandhealth.com/2006/03/08/cyp1a2-caffeine-processing-gene-and-heart-attacks/>

    Background material:

    Allele - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allele>

    Hardy-Weinberg principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardy-Weinberg_principle>

    Roza Ghotbi
    Characterization of novel CYP1A2 polymorphisms in Koreans.
    Master thesis in medical science with a major in biomedicine
    <http://courses.ki.se/roza_ghotbi.pdf?node=31826>

    Christensen, Magnus
    Experimental design of phenotyping probe drugs with emphasis on CYP1A2 :
    Their use in studies on genetic and environmental regulation of drug
    metabolism
    Dissertations from Karolinska Institutet - Published by Karolinska
    Institutet Karolinska Institutet - ki.se
    <http://diss.kib.ki.se/2003/91-7349-522-0/>

    Human Cytochrome P450 (CYP) Allele Nomenclature Committee
    <http://www.imm.ki.se/CYPalleles/>

    CYP1A2 allele nomenclature
    <http://www.imm.ki.se/CYPalleles/cyp1a2.htm>

    Cytochrome P450 oxidase - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytochrome_P450>

    CYP1A2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYP1A2>

    Munir Pirmohamed *, B. Kevin Park
    Cytochrome P450 enzyme polymorphisms and adverse drug
    reactions
    Department of Pharmacology and Therapeutics, The University of Liverpool,
    Ashton Street, Liverpool L69 3GE, UK
    <http://medicina.iztacala.unam.mx/medicina/CP450.pdf>

    "... 1998). A polymorphism at position /164 (C0/A;
    CYP1A2*1F) which affects inducibility is the only
    polymorphism with a high allele frequency (68% in
    Caucasians) (Sachse et al., 1999). ..."

    --
    Matti Narkia

  12. Funny
    "May cause"
    "Slow metabolism"
    "Non fatal MI"
    "Caffeine processing gene"

    "Caucasian" (studies exclusively in high density Caucasian areas Sweden,
    Germany, indicated better life with coffee.)

    funniest of all
    Wikipedia

    "Matti Narkia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:34:57 -0700 in article
    <[email hidden]> "vernon"

    Quoted message said:


    "Juhana Harju" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    vernon wrote:
    : "Roman Bystrianyk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    : news:[email hidden]...
    :: "A Wake-Up Call for Caffeine Addicts", Sci-Tech Today, March 8, 2006,
    :
    : A typical lying statement of the actual research.
    :
    : Do you know what percentage of the population has that gene?

    In the study the percentage was 54%.

    --
    Juhana

    54% of what? of which race, of which cultural background?
    You read 54% without question.


    That's a valid question, because the caffeine metabolizing enzyme CYP1A2's
    allele's CYP1A2*1F's (which causes slow metabolism of caffeine in its
    carriers) frequency varies tremendously among different ethnic groups.
    Among caucasians allele's CYP1A2*1F frequency is 0.68 or 68%. From this we
    can estimate the ratio of 1F carriers among caucasians using the formula
    p² + 2·p·(1 - p) = 0.68*0.68 + 2*0.68*0.32 = 0.8976 or about 90% (see
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allele> and
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardy-Weinberg_principle>😉, which is clearly
    greater than 54-55% in the study. The study's participants were from Costa
    Rica and probably included a large number of people from other ethnic
    groups besides caucasians.

    Reference:

    Cornelis MC, El-Sohemy A, Kabagambe EK, Campos H.
    Coffee, CYP1A2 genotype, and risk of myocardial infarction.
    JAMA. 2006 Mar 8;295(10):1135-41.
    PMID: 16522833 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
    <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&list_uids=16522833&dopt=Abstract>
    <http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/295/10/1135>

    Comments:

    ScienceDaily: Coffee Consumption Linked To Increased Risk Of Heart Attack
    For Persons With Certain Gene Variation
    <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060308084523.htm>

    Coffee Intake, Slow Caffeine Metabolism May Increase Risk for Nonfatal MI
    <http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/525016>

    CYP1A2 Caffeine-Processing Gene and Heart Attacks Genetics and Health
    <http://www.geneticsandhealth.com/2006/03/08/cyp1a2-caffeine-processing-gene-and-heart-attacks/>

    Background material:

    Allele - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allele>

    Hardy-Weinberg principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardy-Weinberg_principle>

    Roza Ghotbi
    Characterization of novel CYP1A2 polymorphisms in Koreans.
    Master thesis in medical science with a major in biomedicine
    <http://courses.ki.se/roza_ghotbi.pdf?node=31826>

    Christensen, Magnus
    Experimental design of phenotyping probe drugs with emphasis on CYP1A2 :
    Their use in studies on genetic and environmental regulation of drug
    metabolism
    Dissertations from Karolinska Institutet - Published by Karolinska
    Institutet Karolinska Institutet - ki.se
    <http://diss.kib.ki.se/2003/91-7349-522-0/>

    Human Cytochrome P450 (CYP) Allele Nomenclature Committee
    <http://www.imm.ki.se/CYPalleles/>

    CYP1A2 allele nomenclature
    <http://www.imm.ki.se/CYPalleles/cyp1a2.htm>

    Cytochrome P450 oxidase - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytochrome_P450>

    CYP1A2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYP1A2>

    Munir Pirmohamed *, B. Kevin Park
    Cytochrome P450 enzyme polymorphisms and adverse drug
    reactions
    Department of Pharmacology and Therapeutics, The University of Liverpool,
    Ashton Street, Liverpool L69 3GE, UK
    <http://medicina.iztacala.unam.mx/medicina/CP450.pdf>

    "... 1998). A polymorphism at position /164 (C0/A;
    CYP1A2*1F) which affects inducibility is the only
    polymorphism with a high allele frequency (68% in
    Caucasians) (Sachse et al., 1999). ..."

    --
    Matti Narkia

  13. Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:55:50 -0700 in article
    <[email hidden]> "vernon"

    Quoted message said:

    Funny
    "May cause"
    "Slow metabolism"
    "Non fatal MI"
    "Caffeine processing gene"

    "Caucasian" (studies exclusively in high density Caucasian areas Sweden,
    Germany, indicated better life with coffee.)

    funniest of all
    Wikipedia


    But the funniest of all is your way of commenting. No contest at all. If
    you want to get some intelligent replies, please spell out in plain
    language what are your arguments and what you base them on?

    --
    Matti Narkia

  14. "Matti Narkia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:55:50 -0700 in article
    <[email hidden]> "vernon"

    Quoted message said:

    Funny
    "May cause"
    "Slow metabolism"
    "Non fatal MI"
    "Caffeine processing gene"

    "Caucasian" (studies exclusively in high density Caucasian areas Sweden,
    Germany, indicated better life with coffee.)

    funniest of all
    Wikipedia


    But the funniest of all is your way of commenting. No contest at all. If
    you want to get some intelligent replies, please spell out in plain
    language what are your arguments and what you base them on?

    ALL were quotes. ALL were fallacies or logical dichotomies.

    ALL add up to no conclusion, no logic, hyperbole.

    Of course you can't see it.

  15. Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:11:07 -0700 in article
    <[email hidden]> "vernon"

    Quoted message said:


    "Matti Narkia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:55:50 -0700 in article
    <[email hidden]> "vernon"

    Quoted message said:

    Funny
    "May cause"
    "Slow metabolism"
    "Non fatal MI"
    "Caffeine processing gene"

    "Caucasian" (studies exclusively in high density Caucasian areas Sweden,
    Germany, indicated better life with coffee.)

    funniest of all
    Wikipedia


    But the funniest of all is your way of commenting. No contest at all. If
    you want to get some intelligent replies, please spell out in plain
    language what are your arguments and what you base them on?


    ALL were quotes. ALL were fallacies or logical dichotomies.

    ALL add up to no conclusion, no logic, hyperbole.

    Of course you can't see it.


    Does that all mean that you are not willing (or capable?) of making a
    coherent argument? What a pity, don't you want people to understand what
    is your point, if you have one?

    --
    Matti Narkia

  16. "Matti Narkia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:11:07 -0700 in article
    <[email hidden]> "vernon"

    Quoted message said:


    "Matti Narkia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:55:50 -0700 in article
    <[email hidden]> "vernon"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Funny
    >"May cause"
    >"Slow metabolism"
    >"Non fatal MI"
    >"Caffeine processing gene"
    >
    >"Caucasian" (studies exclusively in high density Caucasian areas
    >Sweden,
    >Germany, indicated better life with coffee.)
    >
    >funniest of all
    >Wikipedia
    >
    But the funniest of all is your way of commenting. No contest at all. If
    you want to get some intelligent replies, please spell out in plain
    language what are your arguments and what you base them on?


    ALL were quotes. ALL were fallacies or logical dichotomies.

    ALL add up to no conclusion, no logic, hyperbole.

    Of course you can't see it.


    Does that all mean that you are not willing (or capable?) of making a
    coherent argument? What a pity, don't you want people to understand what
    is your point, if you have one?

    The point is not complex. You still don't get it, even not being complex.
    What do you want, some pedantic hyperbole of semantics?

    I quoted really stupid and nonsensical phrases from the article. They
    depend on the ignorance of the reader. You fit right in.

  17. vernon said:

    "Matti Narkia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:11:07 -0700 in article
    <[email hidden]> "vernon"

    Quoted message said:


    "Matti Narkia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:55:50 -0700 in article
    > <[email hidden]> "vernon"
    > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>Funny
    >>"May cause"
    >>"Slow metabolism"
    >>"Non fatal MI"
    >>"Caffeine processing gene"
    >>
    >>"Caucasian" (studies exclusively in high density Caucasian areas
    >>Sweden,
    >>Germany, indicated better life with coffee.)
    >>
    >>funniest of all
    >>Wikipedia
    >>
    > But the funniest of all is your way of commenting. No contest at all. If
    > you want to get some intelligent replies, please spell out in plain
    > language what are your arguments and what you base them on?
    >
    ALL were quotes. ALL were fallacies or logical dichotomies.

    ALL add up to no conclusion, no logic, hyperbole.

    Of course you can't see it.


    Does that all mean that you are not willing (or capable?) of making a
    coherent argument? What a pity, don't you want people to understand what
    is your point, if you have one?

    The point is not complex. You still don't get it, even not being complex.
    What do you want, some pedantic hyperbole of semantics?

    I quoted really stupid and nonsensical phrases from the article. They
    depend on the ignorance of the reader. You fit right in.

    This from Vern, who proudly stated that "Silicone is an artificial
    substance having no relation to silicon" just a couple of days ago.

    Bless.

  18. "cathyb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    vernon said:

    "Matti Narkia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:11:07 -0700 in article
    <[email hidden]> "vernon"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >
    >"Matti Narkia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >news:[email hidden]...
    >> Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:55:50 -0700 in article
    >> <[email hidden]> "vernon"
    >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Funny
    >>>"May cause"
    >>>"Slow metabolism"
    >>>"Non fatal MI"
    >>>"Caffeine processing gene"
    >>>
    >>>"Caucasian" (studies exclusively in high density Caucasian areas
    >>>Sweden,
    >>>Germany, indicated better life with coffee.)
    >>>
    >>>funniest of all
    >>>Wikipedia
    >>>
    >> But the funniest of all is your way of commenting. No contest at all.
    >> If
    >> you want to get some intelligent replies, please spell out in plain
    >> language what are your arguments and what you base them on?
    >>
    >ALL were quotes. ALL were fallacies or logical dichotomies.
    >
    >ALL add up to no conclusion, no logic, hyperbole.
    >
    >Of course you can't see it.
    >
    Does that all mean that you are not willing (or capable?) of making a
    coherent argument? What a pity, don't you want people to understand
    what
    is your point, if you have one?

    The point is not complex. You still don't get it, even not being
    complex.
    What do you want, some pedantic hyperbole of semantics?

    I quoted really stupid and nonsensical phrases from the article. They
    depend on the ignorance of the reader. You fit right in.

    This from Vern, who proudly stated that "Silicone is an artificial
    substance having no relation to silicon" just a couple of days ago.

    Bless.

    Ok bright spark, give us the chemical composition of silicone.
    It has silicon in it, but has no characteristics and is bound. (No
    relation) duhhh.
    What is it's primary characteristic? What ARE its primary characteristics.
    How many companies manufacture it?
    What are the variations of the different forms of silicone from different
    manufacturers?

    so, go pound sand.

    How much of the human body is made of the essential element, silicon?

  19. vernon said:

    "cathyb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    vernon said:

    "Matti Narkia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:11:07 -0700 in article
    > <[email hidden]> "vernon"
    > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>"Matti Narkia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email hidden]...
    >>> Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:55:50 -0700 in article
    >>> <[email hidden]> "vernon"
    >>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Funny
    >>>>"May cause"
    >>>>"Slow metabolism"
    >>>>"Non fatal MI"
    >>>>"Caffeine processing gene"
    >>>>
    >>>>"Caucasian" (studies exclusively in high density Caucasian areas
    >>>>Sweden,
    >>>>Germany, indicated better life with coffee.)
    >>>>
    >>>>funniest of all
    >>>>Wikipedia
    >>>>
    >>> But the funniest of all is your way of commenting. No contest at all.
    >>> If
    >>> you want to get some intelligent replies, please spell out in plain
    >>> language what are your arguments and what you base them on?
    >>>
    >>ALL were quotes. ALL were fallacies or logical dichotomies.
    >>
    >>ALL add up to no conclusion, no logic, hyperbole.
    >>
    >>Of course you can't see it.
    >>
    > Does that all mean that you are not willing (or capable?) of making a
    > coherent argument? What a pity, don't you want people to understand
    > what
    > is your point, if you have one?
    >
    >

    The point is not complex. You still don't get it, even not being
    complex.
    What do you want, some pedantic hyperbole of semantics?

    I quoted really stupid and nonsensical phrases from the article. They
    depend on the ignorance of the reader. You fit right in.

    This from Vern, who proudly stated that "Silicone is an artificial
    substance having no relation to silicon" just a couple of days ago.

    Bless.

    Ok bright spark, give us the chemical composition of silicone.
    It has silicon in it, but has no characteristics and is bound. (No
    relation) duhhh.

    Exactly Vern. It was one of your more amusing attempts to appear
    knowledgeable.

    Silicone, by the way is the name of a group of polymers with
    oxygen--silicon backbones, all of which have different compositions.

    But have no relation to silicon, of course🙂)

    Quoted message said:

    What is it's primary characteristic? What ARE its primary characteristics.
    How many companies manufacture it?
    What are the variations of the different forms of silicone from different
    manufacturers?

    so, go pound sand.

    How much of the human body is made of the essential element, silicon?

    Wonderful, Vern, wonderful.

    BTW, you were already given a basic compostion for the group of
    polymers called silicones. Obviously reading is a problem for you as
    well?

  20. vernon said:


    "cathyb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    vernon said:

    "Matti Narkia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:11:07 -0700 in article
    > <[email hidden]> "vernon"
    > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>"Matti Narkia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email hidden]...
    >>> Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:55:50 -0700 in article
    >>> <[email hidden]> "vernon"
    >>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Funny
    >>>>"May cause"
    >>>>"Slow metabolism"
    >>>>"Non fatal MI"
    >>>>"Caffeine processing gene"
    >>>>
    >>>>"Caucasian" (studies exclusively in high density Caucasian areas
    >>>>Sweden,
    >>>>Germany, indicated better life with coffee.)
    >>>>
    >>>>funniest of all
    >>>>Wikipedia
    >>>>
    >>> But the funniest of all is your way of commenting. No contest at all.
    >>> If
    >>> you want to get some intelligent replies, please spell out in plain
    >>> language what are your arguments and what you base them on?
    >>>
    >>ALL were quotes. ALL were fallacies or logical dichotomies.
    >>
    >>ALL add up to no conclusion, no logic, hyperbole.
    >>
    >>Of course you can't see it.
    >>
    > Does that all mean that you are not willing (or capable?) of making a
    > coherent argument? What a pity, don't you want people to understand
    > what
    > is your point, if you have one?
    >
    >

    The point is not complex. You still don't get it, even not being
    complex.
    What do you want, some pedantic hyperbole of semantics?

    I quoted really stupid and nonsensical phrases from the article. They
    depend on the ignorance of the reader. You fit right in.

    This from Vern, who proudly stated that "Silicone is an artificial
    substance having no relation to silicon" just a couple of days ago.

    Bless.

    Ok bright spark, give us the chemical composition of silicone.
    It has silicon in it, but has no characteristics and is bound. (No
    relation) duhhh.

    Polyethylene is an artificial substance having no relation to carbon.
    Discuss.

    Quoted message said:

    What is it's primary characteristic? What ARE its primary characteristics.
    How many companies manufacture it?
    What are the variations of the different forms of silicone from different
    manufacturers?

    so, go pound sand.

    How much of the human body is made of the essential element, silicon?


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