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  1. On Oct 28, 12:04 pm, Ancient Brit <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Paul Saunders said:
    Quoted message said:

    GPS isn't an alternative to OS maps.

    Quoted message said:

    Actually it is, provided you have a mapping model with decent maps loaded of
    course. It may not be as good as OS maps, but it most definitely IS an
    alternative. I'm fed up with people putting down GPS.

    Quoted message said:
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    Like the compass, it is an
    instrument designed to make it easier to use maps and navigate in poor
    visibility.

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    No, a GPS is more than that. Of course, it's best used in conjunction with
    OS maps, but that can now be done beforehand with computerised mapping.
    After the planning stage, once you've loaded your GPS with appropriate
    routes, waypoints and whatever, it can lead you through a walk without ever
    requiring you to look at the map.

    Quoted message said:
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    If you go into mountains with GPS and no maps you are
    asking for trouble.

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    No, let's be logical about this. If you go into the mountains with GPS
    (presumably loaded with well chosen waypoints and routes) and no maps,
    you're not asking for trouble. What you're doing is choosing to rely on a
    single navigational device and no backup. A device which although not
    infallible, does happen to be extremely reliable, and is highly unlikely to
    let you down. Of course, it should also go without saying, but I'll say it
    anyway, if you're going to rely on a GPS alone then you'll certainly be well
    stocked with fully charged spare batteries.

    Quoted message said:

    You're still taking a risk of course, but it's a calculated risk. Is it any
    less risky than only going out with one map? What if it got soaked and
    ripped? What if it blew away in the wind? Yeah, unlikely I know, but so is a
    GPS breaking down.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not advocating going out with a GPS alone, I mean, what's so hard about
    taking a map too? But it's hardly the height of stupidity, especially if you
    have a good mapping GPS and you know how to use it. Many people do far more
    stupid things in the mountains, like not carrying any navigation aids at
    all, or no waterproofs and so on. With so many numpties climbing mountains
    on a sunny day with nothing but shorts and t-shirts, why criticise a GPS
    user for not carrying a map?

    I used GPS in conjunction with OS maps this summer when I climbed all
    284 Munros in Scotland and most of the tops so I am speaking with
    experience of use in rough mountains in bad weather conditions.

    In good weather either GPS or OS maps would have been all a competent
    navigator would have needed. A poor map reader (a majority of mountain
    walkers are poor map readers) in these conditions would have found the
    GPS all that they needed.

    HOWEVER the weather this summer was awful.

    The biggest ADVANTAGE of the GPS over the compass (with map) was that
    it gave me distance, so I didn't have to do any pace-counting which I
    had often had to do in poor visibility in the past and the GPS is much
    more accurate than pace-counting. The other big advantage of GPS was
    that it, when following a bearing, I could deviate from the straight
    line to use the easiest way through the terrain and then come back to
    line, where I would have tried to stay closer to the bearing using a
    compass.

    There are however DISADVANTAGES to using a GPS.
    If you are using walking poles, unless you have a third hand, a
    compass is more convenient for the continuous use needed in extreme
    conditions than GPS.

    I have the Garmin Fortrex 201 which is like a wrist watch. It is
    absolutely fantastic as it allows you to operate a GPS hands free

    Quoted message said:

    There are times when you have difficulty getting a satellite signal.
    Especially in FORESTS, but try turning your GPS on in a blizzard and
    see if you can get a fix. (There were blizzards this summer!!)
    There are a few places, eg the Cuillin Mountains on Skye, where you
    need to be able to mico-navigate the fine detail on the map

    The biggest problem, however, is that you CAN'T CHANGE YOUR ROUTE.
    What happens if something happens which means you need to change your
    route? This could be accident or injury. It could be because you have
    underestimate the time for your walk. This summer for me it was
    usually because the wind made it necessary for me to abandon walks.
    For others it could be because of rain or cloud. If you haven't got a
    map with you it is difficult to change your route safely. (Remembering
    it is in poor weather that you are most likely to want to change your
    route)

    The issue about changing a route can be problematical, but I often
    input points using computer software that I may need if i change my
    plans - just in case waypoints if you know what I mean. In addition I
    have on a few occasions entered waypoints manually on the hill -
    which is the way I used to do it before Memory Map and Co came along

    Quoted message said:

    Also I think you will find learniing to use and understand the map
    will enhance your enjoyment of your walk.

    Ancient Brit- Hide quoted text -

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  2. In message <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    But then you're obviously pretty serious about doing the walk you have
    planned. I was thinking more of casual walkers. The hills are covered with
    them on sunny days, but you usually see only serious walkers when the
    weather is bad.

    ......or less serious walkers who are lost :-)

    Quite frequently DOE award kids unfortunately.
    --
    Bill Grey

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