Cycling and hyper-aggressive rock music doth not a good combination make. It was responsible for the overtaking of three cars on the road round Arthur's Seat (The descent... I'm not that good!) and for the drifting (~18mph) past a line of stationary vehicles on the approach to a set of traffic lights.
It was the latter that got exciting. I was (obviously) on the wrong side of the road, but there was nothing coming and I had an eye on at least one place I could duck into if a car appeared in the distance. It was no use however for the car that appeared immediately in front of me when he pulled out from the parked cars on the other side of the road (The one I was riding down). He'd obviously checked behind him, but not in front. I slammed on the anchors and suddenly found myself at about the height I'm normally at on the Giant, an unusual experience when riding inna Laid Back stylee! He noticed me at this point and stopped as I went past with my rear wheel at least a foot off the ground. I smiled. I waved (Once I'd got the wheels down again), and a cycled a little more circumspectly the rest of the way to work.
And before anyone tries apportioning blame; He probably should have looked ahead, but that was well and truly my fault!
Cycling and hyper-aggressive rock music doth not a good combination make. It was responsible for the overtaking of three cars on the road round Arthur's Seat (The descent... I'm not that good!) and for the drifting (~18mph) past a line of stationary vehicles on the approach to a set of traffic lights.
It was the latter that got exciting. I was (obviously) on the wrong side of the road, but there was nothing coming and I had an eye on at least one place I could duck into if a car appeared in the distance. It was no use however for the car that appeared immediately in front of me when he pulled out from the parked cars on the other side of the road (The one I was riding down). He'd obviously checked behind him, but not in front. I slammed on the anchors and suddenly found myself at about the height I'm normally at on the Giant, an unusual experience when riding inna Laid Back stylee! He noticed me at this point and stopped as I went past with my rear wheel at least a foot off the ground. I smiled. I waved (Once I'd got the wheels down again), and a cycled a little more circumspectly the rest of the way to work.
And before anyone tries apportioning blame; He probably should have looked ahead, but that was well and truly my fault!
Jon
Sounded like a brown trouser moment. Glad you survived. I lifted the rear wheel on the windcheetah once. -- the.Mark
This was on Hooves? I'll bet that was some fairly serious decelleration!
It was! I was too busy being scared to clock what my entry and exit speeds were. I've managed to lift the rear wheel when testing it at work, but never on the open road before.
"Jon Senior" <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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This was on Hooves? I'll bet that was some fairly serious decelleration!
It was! I was too busy being scared to clock what my entry and exit speeds were. I've managed to lift the rear wheel when testing it at work, but never on the open road before.
Jon
Yowser! I've yet to have the courage to pull the front disc brake as hard as I think is possible on my Hurricane. I've had it stopping so hard that my cheeks felt the stretch, but not lifting the rear wheel. That got loose and slidy, but it does that anyway with the hydraulic rim brakes on the back. My upwrong feels severely under equipped in the braking department in comparison.
Yowser! I've yet to have the courage to pull the front disc brake as hard as I think is possible on my Hurricane. I've had it stopping so hard that my cheeks felt the stretch, but not lifting the rear wheel. That got loose and slidy, but it does that anyway with the hydraulic rim brakes on the back. My upwrong feels severely under equipped in the braking department in comparison.
The Hurricane is lower though. The centre of gravity of Hooves is definately above the front axle. In general though, I think the geometry of most bents ensures vastly superior stopping, all else being equal!
Yowser! I've yet to have the courage to pull the front disc brake as hard as I think is possible on my Hurricane. I've had it stopping so hard that my cheeks felt the stretch, but not lifting the rear wheel. That got loose and slidy, but it does that anyway with the hydraulic rim brakes on the back. My upwrong feels severely under equipped in the braking department in comparison.
The Hurricane is lower though. The centre of gravity of Hooves is definately above the front axle. In general though, I think the geometry of most bents ensures vastly superior stopping, all else being equal!
If I do a pull-as-hard-as-possible-omigod-I'm-going-to-die stop on the Speedmachine the rear wheel will - reluctantly - part company with terra firma, but not for long.
If I do a pull-as-hard-as-possible-omigod-I'm-going-to-die stop on the Speedmachine the rear wheel will - reluctantly - part company with terra firma, but not for long.
Does the front wheel have enough traction under that kind of braking?
I think I'd be worried that braking with enough force to lift the rear wheel on a recumbent as reclined as a Hurri or a Speedmachine might lock up the front wheel.
I realise that the braking will increase the amount of grip at the front end, but is it enough to stop the wheel sliding away?
"Bob" --
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This was on Hooves? I'll bet that was some fairly serious decelleration!
It was! I was too busy being scared to clock what my entry and exit speeds were. I've managed to lift the rear wheel when testing it at work, but never on the open road before.
I braked hard on a test ride of a kmx x in an indoor car park. The back lifted but is immediately fishtailed and came back down. A controlled (to any degree) endo did not feel like it would be do-able to me
If I do a pull-as-hard-as-possible-omigod-I'm-going-to-die stop on the Speedmachine the rear wheel will - reluctantly - part company with terra firma, but not for long.
Does the front wheel have enough traction under that kind of braking?
I think I'd be worried that braking with enough force to lift the rear wheel on a recumbent as reclined as a Hurri or a Speedmachine might lock up the front wheel.
I realise that the braking will increase the amount of grip at the front end, but is it enough to stop the wheel sliding away?
In the dry it's OK, in the wet it'll probably slide. The Trice will slide in the dry if provoked - optimum retardation is achieved by sitting bolt upright while applying the brakes.
-- Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/> I thought I saw his name on a jar of marmalade the other day, but when I looked more closely, I saw it read 'thick cut'.
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:00:23 +0100, "Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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If I do a pull-as-hard-as-possible-omigod-I'm-going-to-die stop on the Speedmachine the rear wheel will - reluctantly - part company with terra firma, but not for long.
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Does the front wheel have enough traction under that kind of braking?
Not on the Streetmachine it doesn't, even with the decidedly average Tektro Vs that come as vanilla, but if you're in a straight enough line not to slide out the fact that you're leaving rubber behind doesn't mean the back wheel still can't come up.
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I think I'd be worried that braking with enough force to lift the rear wheel on a recumbent as reclined as a Hurri or a Speedmachine might lock up the front wheel.
Thobut if it's "pull-as-hard-as-possible-omigod-I'm-going-to-die" braking then, as worries go, the particular points of static and sliding friction of your front tyre will be rather lower than those along the more immediate lines of "am I about to be rather flatter than I usually like?" ;-/
Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
In the dry it's OK, in the wet it'll probably slide. The Trice will slide in the dry if provoked - optimum retardation is achieved by sitting bolt upright while applying the brakes.
I've found if I'm in the seat and slam the brakes on in the trice it will slide on dry tarmac if I'm doing any sort of speed. At very low speeds and really abrupt braking it will lift the back wheel for the briefest instant - but no time for anything to slide anywhere, and I think it only lifts a couple of inches.
Does the front wheel have enough traction under that kind of braking?
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Not on the Streetmachine it doesn't, even with the decidedly average Tektro Vs that come as vanilla...
Mine does, at least in the dry, with a Schwalbe Marathon tyre.
-- Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address) <URL:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/> "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine
