Alternatives to MFW

In article <[email hidden]>,

Steve said:

I've read MFW off and on over the years.

It used to be a place where many fitness experts posted as well as
experts of other ilk. I didn't agree with everyone, but you could
learn a lot and the humor, even though raw, was fantastic.

It looks like most of those people have left leaving MFW to be a haven
for bickering arrested adolescents.

I was wondering if there is anyplace like the old MFW?

I found a message board that Lyle McDonald set up. I signed up, but
haven't really read it yet so I don't know if it is any good:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/forums/

Can anyone recommend any other alternatives that would be similar to
the old MFW?

Personally I've tried a number of Web-based forums - I don't like them.
Usenet is still by far the most elegant internet format for the exchange
of ideas and conversation.

Instead of bailing out may I suggest inviting people in? There is quite
a lot of good possibilities in this group yet. Personally I would love
to see numerous people back on this forum.

Another way of resurrecting MFW is to post on-topic with ideas which get
on-topic conversation going. There are still a lot of knowledgable
people in this forum - they are simply lost in the trolling right now. I
don't care for killfiles, but it is easy for me to choose who I read and
who I don't.

--
Keith

I would agree that this is still a good group despite the trolls and
off-topic garbage that gets posted. We should just ignore the stupid
stuff and keep posting good stuff. I have personally learned some good
things from this group and Keith in particular.

Thank you,
James

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:49:03 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Steve said:

I've read MFW off and on over the years.

It used to be a place where many fitness experts posted as well as
experts of other ilk. I didn't agree with everyone, but you could
learn a lot and the humor, even though raw, was fantastic.

It looks like most of those people have left leaving MFW to be a haven
for bickering arrested adolescents.

I was wondering if there is anyplace like the old MFW?

I found a message board that Lyle McDonald set up. I signed up, but
haven't really read it yet so I don't know if it is any good:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/forums/

Can anyone recommend any other alternatives that would be similar to
the old MFW?

Personally I've tried a number of Web-based forums - I don't like them.
Usenet is still by far the most elegant internet format for the exchange
of ideas and conversation.

Instead of bailing out may I suggest inviting people in? There is quite
a lot of good possibilities in this group yet. Personally I would love
to see numerous people back on this forum.

Another way of resurrecting MFW is to post on-topic with ideas which get
on-topic conversation going. There are still a lot of knowledgable
people in this forum - they are simply lost in the trolling right now. I
don't care for killfiles, but it is easy for me to choose who I read and
who I don't.

Far too sensible Keith! ;o)

JamesG said:

I would agree that this is still a good group despite the trolls and
off-topic garbage that gets posted. We should just ignore the stupid
stuff and keep posting good stuff. I have personally learned some good
things from this group and Keith in particular.

To be honest, John Williams is also capable of providing sound in
depth advice on a range of topics, if only he would stop trolling and
encouraging others to do the same.

How about it Williams?

Hobbes said:

Steve said:

I've read MFW off and on over the years.

It used to be a place where many fitness experts posted as well as
experts of other ilk. I didn't agree with everyone, but you could
learn a lot and the humor, even though raw, was fantastic.

It looks like most of those people have left leaving MFW to be a haven
for bickering arrested adolescents.

I was wondering if there is anyplace like the old MFW?

I found a message board that Lyle McDonald set up. I signed up, but
haven't really read it yet so I don't know if it is any good:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/forums/

Can anyone recommend any other alternatives that would be similar to
the old MFW?

Personally I've tried a number of Web-based forums - I don't like them.
Usenet is still by far the most elegant internet format for the exchange
of ideas and conversation.

Instead of bailing out may I suggest inviting people in? There is quite
a lot of good possibilities in this group yet. Personally I would love
to see numerous people back on this forum.

Another way of resurrecting MFW is to post on-topic with ideas which get
on-topic conversation going.

Steve may be just expressing his bitterness. A few days ago, he shows
up for a rare appearance and suggests that Lee Michaels, David Cohen
and I should be killfiled by anyone who wants decent information.
Sounds kinda personal, doncha think?

If Steve or anyone else wants to talk on-topic, I have yet to see a
single comment on my "SemiSlow" thread. The study was epublished ahead
of publication less than two weeks ago. I don't think you'll find it
being discussed anywhere else, unless somebody exports it from here.

JMW said:

If Steve or anyone else wants to talk on-topic, I have yet to see a
single comment on my "SemiSlow" thread. The study was epublished ahead
of publication less than two weeks ago. I don't think you'll find it
being discussed anywhere else, unless somebody exports it from here.

I read it, but my only comment was the thought that it might be worth a
try the next time I'm planning on changing my routine. I like to have a
big bag of tricks to try.

Dally

Steve said:

It looks like most of those people have left leaving MFW to be a haven
for bickering arrested adolescents.

Ain't it GREAT?

Quoted message said:

I was wondering if there is anyplace like the old MFW?

Yes, several moderated groups. Now run along and join one lil boy.

JamesG said:

I have personally learned some good
things from this group and Keith in particular.

How to lube up properly?

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

Hobbes said:

Steve said:

I've read MFW off and on over the years.

It used to be a place where many fitness experts posted as well as
experts of other ilk. I didn't agree with everyone, but you could
learn a lot and the humor, even though raw, was fantastic.

It looks like most of those people have left leaving MFW to be a haven
for bickering arrested adolescents.

I was wondering if there is anyplace like the old MFW?

I found a message board that Lyle McDonald set up. I signed up, but
haven't really read it yet so I don't know if it is any good:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/forums/

Can anyone recommend any other alternatives that would be similar to
the old MFW?

Personally I've tried a number of Web-based forums - I don't like them.
Usenet is still by far the most elegant internet format for the exchange
of ideas and conversation.

Instead of bailing out may I suggest inviting people in? There is quite
a lot of good possibilities in this group yet. Personally I would love
to see numerous people back on this forum.

Another way of resurrecting MFW is to post on-topic with ideas which get
on-topic conversation going.

Steve may be just expressing his bitterness. A few days ago, he shows
up for a rare appearance and suggests that Lee Michaels, David Cohen
and I should be killfiled by anyone who wants decent information.
Sounds kinda personal, doncha think?

If Steve or anyone else wants to talk on-topic, I have yet to see a
single comment on my "SemiSlow" thread. The study was epublished ahead
of publication less than two weeks ago. I don't think you'll find it
being discussed anywhere else, unless somebody exports it from here.

Yeah, I saw some of that thread. But I still think (as I know you do)
that Usenet is the best internet medium for discussion and instead of
thinking there is a better alternative it would be more appropriate
simply to restore MFW.

--
Keith

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:25:17 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

Hobbes said:

"Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> I've read MFW off and on over the years.
>
> It used to be a place where many fitness experts posted as well as
> experts of other ilk. I didn't agree with everyone, but you could
> learn a lot and the humor, even though raw, was fantastic.
>
> It looks like most of those people have left leaving MFW to be a haven
> for bickering arrested adolescents.
>
> I was wondering if there is anyplace like the old MFW?
>
> I found a message board that Lyle McDonald set up. I signed up, but
> haven't really read it yet so I don't know if it is any good:
> http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/forums/
>
> Can anyone recommend any other alternatives that would be similar to
> the old MFW?
>

Personally I've tried a number of Web-based forums - I don't like them.
Usenet is still by far the most elegant internet format for the exchange
of ideas and conversation.

Instead of bailing out may I suggest inviting people in? There is quite
a lot of good possibilities in this group yet. Personally I would love
to see numerous people back on this forum.

Another way of resurrecting MFW is to post on-topic with ideas which get
on-topic conversation going.

Steve may be just expressing his bitterness. A few days ago, he shows
up for a rare appearance and suggests that Lee Michaels, David Cohen
and I should be killfiled by anyone who wants decent information.
Sounds kinda personal, doncha think?

If Steve or anyone else wants to talk on-topic, I have yet to see a
single comment on my "SemiSlow" thread. The study was epublished ahead
of publication less than two weeks ago. I don't think you'll find it
being discussed anywhere else, unless somebody exports it from here.

Yeah, I saw some of that thread. But I still think (as I know you do)
that Usenet is the best internet medium for discussion and instead of
thinking there is a better alternative it would be more appropriate
simply to restore MFW.

That's by far the best option and it would only need a genuine change
of attitude by a few people, with the requirement to be inclusive and
co-operative rather than exclusive and aggressive, to succeed in the
restoration.

It would only require three or four of the leading players to stop
being so hostile; cut out all the sniping, trolling, alleged
killfiling, ignoring and stalking, and the Group would be absolutely
fine.

But that's a tall order after such a long time and it's not very
likely - is it?

Hobbes said:

JMW said:

Hobbes said:

"Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> I've read MFW off and on over the years.
>
> It used to be a place where many fitness experts posted as well as
> experts of other ilk. I didn't agree with everyone, but you could
> learn a lot and the humor, even though raw, was fantastic.
>
> It looks like most of those people have left leaving MFW to be a haven
> for bickering arrested adolescents.
>
> I was wondering if there is anyplace like the old MFW?
>
> I found a message board that Lyle McDonald set up. I signed up, but
> haven't really read it yet so I don't know if it is any good:
> http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/forums/
>
> Can anyone recommend any other alternatives that would be similar to
> the old MFW?
>

Personally I've tried a number of Web-based forums - I don't like them.
Usenet is still by far the most elegant internet format for the exchange
of ideas and conversation.

Instead of bailing out may I suggest inviting people in? There is quite
a lot of good possibilities in this group yet. Personally I would love
to see numerous people back on this forum.

Another way of resurrecting MFW is to post on-topic with ideas which get
on-topic conversation going.

Steve may be just expressing his bitterness. A few days ago, he shows
up for a rare appearance and suggests that Lee Michaels, David Cohen
and I should be killfiled by anyone who wants decent information.
Sounds kinda personal, doncha think?

If Steve or anyone else wants to talk on-topic, I have yet to see a
single comment on my "SemiSlow" thread. The study was epublished ahead
of publication less than two weeks ago. I don't think you'll find it
being discussed anywhere else, unless somebody exports it from here.

Yeah, I saw some of that thread. But I still think (as I know you do)
that Usenet is the best internet medium for discussion and instead of
thinking there is a better alternative it would be more appropriate
simply to restore MFW.

I agree. And as to your earlier comments about killfiles, not everyone
needs them, but some do. Note that I am posting through Google Groups,
so I can obviously still read the trolls, even if I have them killfiled
in my regular newsreader. I really don't care what they say, but it's
getting to the point that I'm simply tired of having to wade through a
bunch of messages that are much less "trolling" than they are petty
harassment and childish quips. If I can show people how to quickly
reduce the number of worthless posts with a few simple keystrokes, I
think it's a benefit.

Also note that I have added to the troll list the neo-Nazi white
supremacist who has been getting a lot of action on his cross-posts.
With the proper settings of Agent or Outlook Express, combined with
NewsProxy/Nfilter, it may be possible to dump all his bigoted rants
*and* the follow ups. I'll post it when I figure it out.

FWIW, I get weekly emails for my PubCrawler searches, and I'm still
willing to research the journal articles that interest me and post my
observations, just like I did in the "SemiSlow" thread. I have no
intention of posting observations on subjects that are only
tangentially related to weight training just to show how smart I am (as
is done in some forums), but if I see something that is genuinely
worthwhile, I'm willing to spend the time wading through the findings,
including researching some of the background findings, and reduce it
all to a form that most folks in MFW can understand. If a few people
can benefit from it, that's enough for me.

JMW said:

Hobbes said:

JMW said:

Hobbes wrote:
> "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> > I've read MFW off and on over the years.
> >
> > It used to be a place where many fitness experts posted as well as
> > experts of other ilk. I didn't agree with everyone, but you could
> > learn a lot and the humor, even though raw, was fantastic.
> >
> > It looks like most of those people have left leaving MFW to be a haven
> > for bickering arrested adolescents.
> >
> > I was wondering if there is anyplace like the old MFW?
> >
> > I found a message board that Lyle McDonald set up. I signed up, but
> > haven't really read it yet so I don't know if it is any good:
> > http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/forums/
> >
> > Can anyone recommend any other alternatives that would be similar to
> > the old MFW?
> >
>
> Personally I've tried a number of Web-based forums - I don't like them.
> Usenet is still by far the most elegant internet format for the exchange
> of ideas and conversation.
>
> Instead of bailing out may I suggest inviting people in? There is quite
> a lot of good possibilities in this group yet. Personally I would love
> to see numerous people back on this forum.
>
> Another way of resurrecting MFW is to post on-topic with ideas which get
> on-topic conversation going.

Steve may be just expressing his bitterness. A few days ago, he shows
up for a rare appearance and suggests that Lee Michaels, David Cohen
and I should be killfiled by anyone who wants decent information.
Sounds kinda personal, doncha think?

If Steve or anyone else wants to talk on-topic, I have yet to see a
single comment on my "SemiSlow" thread. The study was epublished ahead
of publication less than two weeks ago. I don't think you'll find it
being discussed anywhere else, unless somebody exports it from here.

Yeah, I saw some of that thread. But I still think (as I know you do)
that Usenet is the best internet medium for discussion and instead of
thinking there is a better alternative it would be more appropriate
simply to restore MFW.

I agree. And as to your earlier comments about killfiles, not everyone
needs them, but some do. Note that I am posting through Google Groups,
so I can obviously still read the trolls, even if I have them killfiled
in my regular newsreader. I really don't care what they say, but it's
getting to the point that I'm simply tired of having to wade through a
bunch of messages that are much less "trolling" than they are petty
harassment and childish quips. If I can show people how to quickly
reduce the number of worthless posts with a few simple keystrokes, I
think it's a benefit.

That's very laudable as long as you are scrupulously fair, and don't
allow your personal animosity to cloud your judgment, and blacken some
people just because *you* don't like them.

Quoted message said:

Also note that I have added to the troll list the neo-Nazi white
supremacist who has been getting a lot of action on his cross-posts.
With the proper settings of Agent or Outlook Express, combined with
NewsProxy/Nfilter, it may be possible to dump all his bigoted rants
*and* the follow ups. I'll post it when I figure it out.

Who is this character; I don't appear to have noticed any sort of
overt behaviour in that direction.

Quoted message said:

FWIW, I get weekly emails for my PubCrawler searches, and I'm still
willing to research the journal articles that interest me and post my
observations, just like I did in the "SemiSlow" thread. I have no
intention of posting observations on subjects that are only
tangentially related to weight training just to show how smart I am (as
is done in some forums), but if I see something that is genuinely
worthwhile, I'm willing to spend the time wading through the findings,
including researching some of the background findings, and reduce it
all to a form that most folks in MFW can understand.

And that's the important thing, to put information in a form that we
can all take an interest and enjoy.

Quoted message said:

If a few people can benefit from it, that's enough for me.

And if you are really well-intentioned, it will be appreciated and
reciprocated.

"JRH" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Hobbes said:

JMW said:

Hobbes wrote:
> "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> > I've read MFW off and on over the years.
> >
> > It used to be a place where many fitness experts posted as well as
> > experts of other ilk. I didn't agree with everyone, but you could
> > learn a lot and the humor, even though raw, was fantastic.
> >
> > It looks like most of those people have left leaving MFW to be a
> > haven
> > for bickering arrested adolescents.
> >
> > I was wondering if there is anyplace like the old MFW?
> >
> > I found a message board that Lyle McDonald set up. I signed up, but
> > haven't really read it yet so I don't know if it is any good:
> > http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/forums/
> >
> > Can anyone recommend any other alternatives that would be similar to
> > the old MFW?
> >
> Personally I've tried a number of Web-based forums - I don't like
> them.
> Usenet is still by far the most elegant internet format for the
> exchange
> of ideas and conversation.
>
> Instead of bailing out may I suggest inviting people in? There is
> quite
> a lot of good possibilities in this group yet. Personally I would love
> to see numerous people back on this forum.
>
> Another way of resurrecting MFW is to post on-topic with ideas which
> get
> on-topic conversation going.

Steve may be just expressing his bitterness. A few days ago, he shows
up for a rare appearance and suggests that Lee Michaels, David Cohen
and I should be killfiled by anyone who wants decent information.
Sounds kinda personal, doncha think?

If Steve or anyone else wants to talk on-topic, I have yet to see a
single comment on my "SemiSlow" thread. The study was epublished ahead
of publication less than two weeks ago. I don't think you'll find it
being discussed anywhere else, unless somebody exports it from here.

Yeah, I saw some of that thread. But I still think (as I know you do)
that Usenet is the best internet medium for discussion and instead of
thinking there is a better alternative it would be more appropriate
simply to restore MFW.

That's by far the best option and it would only need a genuine change
of attitude by a few people, with the requirement to be inclusive and
co-operative rather than exclusive and aggressive, to succeed in the
restoration.

I am NOT going to renounce my citizenship and become a Canadian!!

David

JMW <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Also note that I have added to the troll list the neo-Nazi white
supremacist who has been getting a lot of action on his cross-posts.
With the proper settings of Agent or Outlook Express, combined with
NewsProxy/Nfilter, it may be possible to dump all his bigoted rants
*and* the follow ups. I'll post it when I figure it out.

In OE it is possible to ignore the entire thread: Alt|M|I. It is also
possible to hide ignored messages with a customized view. I choose to
hide read and ignored messages and this option is available from the
View|Current View menu.

Steve wrote:

re MFW

Quoted message said:

It used to be a place where many fitness experts posted as well as
experts of other ilk. I didn't agree with everyone, but you could
learn a lot and the humor, even though raw, was fantastic.

Quoted message said:

Can anyone recommend any other alternatives that would be similar to
the old MFW?

http://www.musclemagforum.com/

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

JMW said:

Steve may be just expressing his bitterness. A few days ago, he shows
up for a rare appearance and suggests that Lee Michaels, David Cohen
and I should be killfiled by anyone who wants decent information.
Sounds kinda personal, doncha think?

Lee and David are a waste of time. You offer good
health and fitness info, but your radical right wing
extremist political [censored] is so far from reality that
it borderlines on insanity. You should stick with what
you know.

Quoted message said:

If Steve or anyone else wants to talk on-topic, I have
yet to see a single comment on my "SemiSlow" thread.

I read it, and was glad to see it, because I do my
resistance work slowly, with a focus on good form and
slow, deep breathing. So that article confirmed that
I'm doing the right thing. Thanks Johnny!

-

Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm

David Cohen said:

"JRH" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Hobbes said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Hobbes wrote:
> > "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> > > I've read MFW off and on over the years.
> > >
> > > It used to be a place where many fitness experts posted as well as
> > > experts of other ilk. I didn't agree with everyone, but you could
> > > learn a lot and the humor, even though raw, was fantastic.
> > >
> > > It looks like most of those people have left leaving MFW to be a
> > > haven
> > > for bickering arrested adolescents.
> > >
> > > I was wondering if there is anyplace like the old MFW?
> > >
> > > I found a message board that Lyle McDonald set up. I signed up, but
> > > haven't really read it yet so I don't know if it is any good:
> > > http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/forums/
> > >
> > > Can anyone recommend any other alternatives that would be similar to
> > > the old MFW?
> > >
> > Personally I've tried a number of Web-based forums - I don't like
> > them.
> > Usenet is still by far the most elegant internet format for the
> > exchange
> > of ideas and conversation.
> >
> > Instead of bailing out may I suggest inviting people in? There is
> > quite
> > a lot of good possibilities in this group yet. Personally I would love
> > to see numerous people back on this forum.
> >
> > Another way of resurrecting MFW is to post on-topic with ideas which
> > get
> > on-topic conversation going.
>
> Steve may be just expressing his bitterness. A few days ago, he shows
> up for a rare appearance and suggests that Lee Michaels, David Cohen
> and I should be killfiled by anyone who wants decent information.
> Sounds kinda personal, doncha think?
>
> If Steve or anyone else wants to talk on-topic, I have yet to see a
> single comment on my "SemiSlow" thread. The study was epublished ahead
> of publication less than two weeks ago. I don't think you'll find it
> being discussed anywhere else, unless somebody exports it from here.
>

Yeah, I saw some of that thread. But I still think (as I know you do)
that Usenet is the best internet medium for discussion and instead of
thinking there is a better alternative it would be more appropriate
simply to restore MFW.

That's by far the best option and it would only need a genuine change
of attitude by a few people, with the requirement to be inclusive and
co-operative rather than exclusive and aggressive, to succeed in the
restoration.

I am NOT going to renounce my citizenship and become a Canadian!!

There is there the French influence which would even defy even the
sages of MFW!!

"Hank" babbled some more [censored]

Chane you e-mail addy again Hankey??

Back into the bozo bin for you.

JMW said:

than they are petty
harassment and childish quips.

NA NA NA NAA NAA you sissy.