AMB- anger mangement problems.....

Callistus Valerius said:

Coming from the road ultracyling community, and now a newbie to mountain
biking I have noticed a very startling difference between the two. While
the ultracyling community, is helpful, share information readily on
equipment, techniques, tactics, training, etc, I see none of that in mtb. I
see a group of immature idiots with anger management problems. Where
everyone's equipment (except their's, of course) is POS. While a roadie
finds ways to make his stuff works, a mtb guy tries to find ways to break
it, and then proclaims to the world it's a POS. My recent post, after my
own quick study, that showed the superiority of the 29 design over the
mistake of the 26 inch wheel, was like sticking a broom handle into a
hornets nest. I'm not going to let this discourage me, because I have
already seen some improvement in my road riding, from doing some mtb, as it
has increased some strength in my legs. Don't know why, but it has. I
wanted some variety, from the constant vigilence of watching for cars, to
riding in the boonies. I don't think I'll ever adopt the philosophy of
trying to break my bike to show everyone how big of a POS it was, because in
ultracycling if something breaks, you may end up with a 200 mile walk home
ahead of you. And I just don't like walking. But just give me a chance, to
enjoy what I hope will be enjoyable cycling.

Some of the more outspoken folks don't represent the whole group.
The group doesn't represent all mountain bikers.

You think 29" wheel are the holy grail. Some agree, some disagree, and
many like me are somewhere in between.

I don't /try/ to break my bike, and it usually doesn't break. Sometimes
it does and I share the info with others I think might want to know.

If you don't like it here then go somewhere else. You came in with an
attitude similar to "sticking a broom handle into a hornets nest". So
why does it surprise you the hornets got [censored]?

Now, if you get stuck 200 Mi from home, couldn't you call someone for a
ride, or have they all turned against you too?

Matt (you have every chance to enjoy cycling - go do it!)

PS - It's vigilance not vigilence

In article <[email hidden]>,

MattB said:

Callistus Valerius wrote:

Quoted message said:

If you don't like it here then go somewhere else. You came in with an
attitude similar to "sticking a broom handle into a hornets nest". So
why does it surprise you the hornets got [censored]?

_Being a troll is his other hobby... as the all the roadies
already know and don't pay any attention to him anymore.

_ Booker C. Bense

Callistus Valerius wrote:
<<some trolling garbage>>

Thanks for stopping by, don't let the door hit you in the [censored] on the
way out.

Callistus Valerius said:

Coming from the road ultracyling community, and now a newbie to mountain
biking I have noticed a very startling difference between the two. While
the ultracyling community, is helpful, share information readily on
equipment, techniques, tactics, training, etc, I see none of that in mtb. I
see a group of immature idiots with anger management problems. Where
everyone's equipment (except their's, of course) is POS. While a roadie
finds ways to make his stuff works, a mtb guy tries to find ways to break
it, and then proclaims to the world it's a POS. My recent post, after my
own quick study, that showed the superiority of the 29 design over the
mistake of the 26 inch wheel, was like sticking a broom handle into a
hornets nest. I'm not going to let this discourage me, because I have
already seen some improvement in my road riding, from doing some mtb, as it
has increased some strength in my legs. Don't know why, but it has. I
wanted some variety, from the constant vigilence of watching for cars, to
riding in the boonies. I don't think I'll ever adopt the philosophy of
trying to break my bike to show everyone how big of a POS it was, because in
ultracycling if something breaks, you may end up with a 200 mile walk home
ahead of you. And I just don't like walking. But just give me a chance, to
enjoy what I hope will be enjoyable cycling.

I've ridden with half a dozen people I've met through this group
(including respondents to your 29er post). All very nice people who I
look forward to riding with again some day. This is a discussion group,
an unmoderated one at that, not a mountain biking ride, or a club, or a
bike shop trying to lighten your wallet. Think of it more like the
virtual corner bar at the end of a ride.
http://www.touart.com/amb/ambar/ambar15.htm
This is a meeting place for people of similar interests. The discussion
orbits around mountain biking, but isn't restricted to it, so you'll get
more opinion and personality coming through. Nature of this type of group.
Also, this group isn't as "gear head" as a lot of roadie discussions (no
really, it's not!), so when something looks like a way to separate us
from more of our $$$ (e.g. the 29er trend) it is looked upon with
suspicion, at least. The attitude I see here isn't (usually) "Your ride
is a POS" it's more like "Great you've got yourself a bike. Do you
actually ride it?"
And if you spend large, ride little, and talk a lot about your "skills"
(or god forbid, your Vmax) you're gonna get called out.
Stick around. People here really ride, and you'll learn a lot.

Shawn

Callistus Valerius said:

Coming from the road ultracyling community, and now a newbie to
mountain biking I have noticed a very startling difference between
the two. While the ultracyling community, is helpful, share
information readily on equipment, techniques, tactics, training, etc,
I see none of that in mtb. I see a group of immature idiots with
anger management problems. Where everyone's equipment (except
their's, of course) is POS. While a roadie finds ways to make his
stuff works, a mtb guy tries to find ways to break it, and then
proclaims to the world it's a POS. My recent post, after my own
quick study, that showed the superiority of the 29 design over the
mistake of the 26 inch wheel, was like sticking a broom handle into a
hornets nest. I'm not going to let this discourage me, because I
have already seen some improvement in my road riding, from doing some
mtb, as it has increased some strength in my legs. Don't know why,
but it has. I wanted some variety, from the constant vigilence of
watching for cars, to riding in the boonies. I don't think I'll ever
adopt the philosophy of trying to break my bike to show everyone how
big of a POS it was, because in ultracycling if something breaks, you
may end up with a 200 mile walk home ahead of you. And I just don't
like walking. But just give me a chance, to enjoy what I hope will
be enjoyable cycling.

Who are you?

Bill "for JD" S.

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Quoted message said:

You're a trip. WTF is ultracycling anyway?

endurance road, my training rides are at least 200 miles long, lots of
night riding, lots of blinkies and reflective clothes.

Crescentius Vespasianus said:

">

Quoted message said:

You're a trip. WTF is ultracycling anyway?

endurance road, my training rides are at least 200 miles long, lots of
night riding, lots of blinkies and reflective clothes.

Sounds as exciting as watching paint dry.

Greg

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Quoted message said:

I've ridden with half a dozen people I've met through this group
(including respondents to your 29er post). All very nice people who I
look forward to riding with again some day. This is a discussion group,
an unmoderated one at that, not a mountain biking ride, or a club, or a
bike shop trying to lighten your wallet. Think of it more like the
virtual corner bar at the end of a ride.
http://www.touart.com/amb/ambar/ambar15.htm
This is a meeting place for people of similar interests. The discussion
orbits around mountain biking, but isn't restricted to it, so you'll get
more opinion and personality coming through. Nature of this type of

group.

Quoted message said:

Also, this group isn't as "gear head" as a lot of roadie discussions (no
really, it's not!), so when something looks like a way to separate us
from more of our $$$ (e.g. the 29er trend) it is looked upon with
suspicion, at least. The attitude I see here isn't (usually) "Your ride
is a POS" it's more like "Great you've got yourself a bike. Do you
actually ride it?"
And if you spend large, ride little, and talk a lot about your "skills"
(or god forbid, your Vmax) you're gonna get called out.
Stick around. People here really ride, and you'll learn a lot.

Shawn

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People in the mtb community should encourage fresh eyes, someone who hasn't
invested a lot in yesterday, to give their opinion on what they see. You
say that mtb folk, are skeptical of spending a lot of money, but what I've
seen in my brief visit here, is comments like, if the fork costs less than
$1000 it's a POS, a full suspension bike if it's less than $1000 it's a POS,
and so forth. That was my initial revulsion, it sounded like a bunch of
spoiled kids, crying to their parents that if the bike didn't cost at least
$3000 it was a POS. Most endurance riders build their own bikes, and brag
about how little it cost, not how much it cost. Of course the roadie
community is full of bikes that never make it out of the garage, but I ride
10,000 miles a year, so keeping up with the maintenance with my 4 road bikes
is a job in itself. Thanks for a coherent response.

On Jun 14, 8:49 am, "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Coming from the road ultracyling community, and now a newbie to mountain
biking I have noticed a very startling difference between the two. While
the ultracyling community, is helpful, share information readily on
equipment, techniques, tactics, training, etc, I see none of that in mtb. I
see a group of immature idiots with anger management problems. Where
everyone's equipment (except their's, of course) is POS. While a roadie
finds ways to make his stuff works, a mtb guy tries to find ways to break
it, and then proclaims to the world it's a POS. My recent post, after my
own quick study, that showed the superiority of the 29 design over the
mistake of the 26 inch wheel, was like sticking a broom handle into a
hornets nest. I'm not going to let this discourage me, because I have
already seen some improvement in my road riding, from doing some mtb, as it
has increased some strength in my legs. Don't know why, but it has. I
wanted some variety, from the constant vigilence of watching for cars, to
riding in the boonies. I don't think I'll ever adopt the philosophy of
trying to break my bike to show everyone how big of a POS it was, because in
ultracycling if something breaks, you may end up with a 200 mile walk home
ahead of you. And I just don't like walking. But just give me a chance, to
enjoy what I hope will be enjoyable cycling.

Probably the biggest difference is we're not so prissy and sensitive,
and generally don't shave our legs and wear pink so we can show off to
the boys at the coffee shop when standing in line to order a soy-decaf-
hazelnut-latte. (after riding 4 hours, nose-to-butt behind other leg-
shaven roadies),

Glad you asked, and I'm always happy to help. 😉

CDB
King of the Barneys

On Jun 14, 2:33 pm, "Crescentius Vespasianus" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

">> You're a trip. WTF is ultracycling anyway?

endurance road, my training rides are at least 200 miles long, lots of
night riding, lots of blinkies and reflective clothes.

Sheesh. Sounds like you need a hobby!

Anyway, you're pretty much wrong on all counts except the overly aggro
thing. But when a perceived MTB newbie comes in and starts talking
about the clear superiority of 29ers and then go into some kind of
laughable industry conspiracy rant, they're going to catch some
tomatoes at full velocity.

I'm sure that over the course of those 200+ mile rides you've
developed some strong opinions about what type of training, nutrition,
and equipment works for you. Imagine someone comes strolling up,
checks out your bike, and then starts yammering about everything
that's wrong with it (even though they've never ridden over 6 miles).
You'd pretty much want to fart loudly into their face, right?

/s

G.T. said:

Crescentius Vespasianus said:

">

Quoted message said:

You're a trip. WTF is ultracycling anyway?

endurance road, my training rides are at least 200 miles long,
lots of
night riding, lots of blinkies and reflective clothes.

Sounds as exciting as watching paint dry.

Greg

I lost the link, but there was a guy here in Boulder painting his house.
He had a webcam up for the whole thing.

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www.schnauzers.ws

On Jun 14, 12:33 pm, "Crescentius Vespasianus" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

">> You're a trip. WTF is ultracycling anyway?

endurance road, my training rides are at least 200 miles long, lots of
night riding, lots of blinkies and reflective clothes.

So you only ride once a week?

R

G.T. said:

Crescentius Vespasianus said:

">

Quoted message said:

You're a trip. WTF is ultracycling anyway?

Quoted message said:

endurance road, my training rides are at least 200 miles long, lots of
night riding, lots of blinkies and reflective clothes.

Sounds as exciting as watching paint dry.

Greg

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Dethink to survive - Mclusky

I've done one. 207 miles from Port Jervis to Cape May. I think it took
us fourteen hours. It was fun because I:

- was riding with three good friends
- was neither the slowest nor the fastest
- saw my best friend take a bite out of a Balance Bar and begin to cry
while chewing (and what could be better than that?)
- had a psychotic episode daydream passing through my mind around mile
120 where I, at a rest stop, attacked everyone in my group and left
them all beaten and bloodied on the scorching macadam. Why? Because I
felt that I was doing too many pulls, more than they were, because
they were conspiring to wear me out.

Things I already knew but were reinforced:
- fresh shorts, socks, and jersey at mile 100 are good
- always carry some extra spokes for your front wheel and both sides
of your rear wheel
- while in a paceline, don't take your hands off the bars just before
the guy in front of you taps the brakes (it wasn't me, but two of my
crew. This is what interrupted my psychotic episode and likely
prevented it from playing out.)

Things I learned:
- Don't make plans to party the night after.
- Don't make plans to party the night before.
- Your legs will be pretty numb for several days afterwards.

/s

Quoted message said:

Now, if you get stuck 200 Mi from home, couldn't you call someone for a
ride, or have they all turned against you too?

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Now think about what you said, how many people do you know would drive 200
miles to pick you up? I was in an event once, where we were hit with a huge
storm in the middle of the night, with winds so strong the rain was hitting
me in the side. To make a long story short, I got hypothermia 125 miles
from my car, and called my brother to pick me up (an 80 mile drive in a
wild storm), I was done. Four others, that were riding with me, quit also.
My brother picked me and one other guy up (his ride would have had to drive
300 miles), but I really don't like to inconvience others for my hobbies.
It was stupid, I saw the weather report before we started, and I knew it was
risky, and should have done a DNS. Hindsight is always 20/20 but there was
a woman, that ran a Bed & Breakfast a half mile where the four of us had
erected a defensive position, and drove through that storm to tell us that
she had a couple rooms available for a very reasonable price. But we had
two rides already on the road and two of our four cell phones were still
working. I really should have taken her up on the room, and rode out the
next day as it was beautiful sunny day that followed. But you get stuck in
this mindset that you want out of there, whatever it takes.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

endurance road, my training rides are at least 200 miles long, lots

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

night riding, lots of blinkies and reflective clothes.

Sounds as exciting as watching paint dry.

Greg

---------------
But a little bit more exciting than people who pretend that they are still
on their BMX bikes. You should grow up, lose the baggy pants, and the
playground you're too scared to leave, it's a big world out there.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Dethink to survive - Mclusky

I've done one. 207 miles from Port Jervis to Cape May. I think it took
us fourteen hours. It was fun because I:

- was riding with three good friends
- was neither the slowest nor the fastest
- saw my best friend take a bite out of a Balance Bar and begin to cry
while chewing (and what could be better than that?)
- had a psychotic episode daydream passing through my mind around mile
120 where I, at a rest stop, attacked everyone in my group and left
them all beaten and bloodied on the scorching macadam. Why? Because I
felt that I was doing too many pulls, more than they were, because
they were conspiring to wear me out.

Things I already knew but were reinforced:
- fresh shorts, socks, and jersey at mile 100 are good
- always carry some extra spokes for your front wheel and both sides
of your rear wheel
- while in a paceline, don't take your hands off the bars just before
the guy in front of you taps the brakes (it wasn't me, but two of my
crew. This is what interrupted my psychotic episode and likely
prevented it from playing out.)

Things I learned:
- Don't make plans to party the night after.
- Don't make plans to party the night before.
- Your legs will be pretty numb for several days afterwards.

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A nice 14 hour ride, that's what it takes. And you discovered alcohol and
endurance riding don't mix. I do kayaking too, there the alcohol flows.
Beer while kayaking, and Captain Morgan after. But for endurance riding,
it's a definite no, no.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

endurance road, my training rides are at least 200 miles long, lots

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

night riding, lots of blinkies and reflective clothes.

So you only ride once a week?

R

I ride 250 miles, during the work week (I'm a commuter), and either do
two 100 mile rides on the weekend, or one 200 mile ride and then an easy 25
mtb ride. If you're doing endurance training, the 200 mile ride will help
you, the two 100 mile rides doesn't (they're just for fun). Don't know why,
but it's better to do one long one, and nothing, than two even ones. I live
in the desert, so for this time of the year, a double means I have to start
by 3am, to escape a lot of the heat. But there is very little traffic, a
plus. The minus is you have to dodge some drunks trying to get home from
their boring parties (been there, done that).

I only look at two things on my shape, heart rate, and weight. My resting
is 30, and my weight ranges from 160 to 170. The rest of it, I don't care
about.

BTW, a double century is nothing to brag about, I've seen complete novices
do it, that have only been riding only a few months. But usually, they're
older, and like they say in endurance, it's 50% mental, and the older ones
usually have the mental discipline to do it. They might be crushed
physically at the end, but they make it.

..

Quoted message said:

Probably the biggest difference is we're not so prissy and sensitive,
and generally don't shave our legs and wear pink so we can show off to
the boys at the coffee shop when standing in line to order a soy-decaf-
hazelnut-latte. (after riding 4 hours, nose-to-butt behind other leg-
shaven roadies),

Glad you asked, and I'm always happy to help. 😉

CDB
King of the Barneys

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I don't shave my legs (there isn't much there to shave), and in endurance
you don't draft. Tried racing, but I couldn't afford the hospital bills
from those stupid pace line crashes you get into, so I got out of it. And
besides it was boring, going in circles, going no where.

Quoted message said:

Sheesh. Sounds like you need a hobby!

Anyway, you're pretty much wrong on all counts except the overly aggro
thing. But when a perceived MTB newbie comes in and starts talking
about the clear superiority of 29ers and then go into some kind of
laughable industry conspiracy rant, they're going to catch some
tomatoes at full velocity.

I'm sure that over the course of those 200+ mile rides you've
developed some strong opinions about what type of training, nutrition,
and equipment works for you. Imagine someone comes strolling up,
checks out your bike, and then starts yammering about everything
that's wrong with it (even though they've never ridden over 6 miles).
You'd pretty much want to fart loudly into their face, right?

/s

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In endurance you have to deal with so much, opinions from all walks of life
are welcome. Lights for instance, are big, since you ride so much at night.
You go to some of those LED light forums, and you learn a lot, from people
who have never even been on a bike. Nutrition, everyone's different. I'm
always looking, even at the newbies, to see what they are doing. For the
longest time, I rode without Ibuprofen, until a guy asked me if I wanted
some vitamin I. I wish I would have known about that long before I did, I
could have avoided a lot of pain.