Fidyl said:Namaste
Greetings, and welcome to my country!
Quoted message said:Oh, no! Here it comes again! Those dreaded holidays where Vegans waffle between:
A) Going to a family get-together and literally suffer through hours of staring at dead carcasses,
Are you speaking of an Irish wake or a Thanksgiving meal?
Quoted message said:watching as others gulp down – not chewing
Not everyone's family is like that. Most of us sit on chairs, use utensils, and show other signs of
civilization.
Quoted message said:– these abused souls,
They're not abused. They're dead. And roasted at about 375°F.
Quoted message said:B) Going to a family get-together and endure all those not so casual comments about anti-Veganism,
Imagine how the rest of the family feels when you call their meal "dead carcasses" and remark about
the way they eat and live their lives.
Quoted message said:C) Not going to these gatherings and trying to arrange a dinner or like-minded folks,
Nothing shows self-contempt like alienating and/or avoiding one's family at times of gatherings,
much less choosing to spend such times with strangers and fellow-travelers.
Quoted message said:D) Not going to these gatherings and staying by themselves with their Tofurkeys,
See my response to (C).
Quoted message said:E) Not going to these gatherings and wondering if we hurt the feelings of unconcerned/uncaring
humans,
Why all this hatred for yourself and your family?
Quoted message said:F) Not going to the dinners, but arriving afterwards for "dessert"
Same as (C). You prefer to put your peculiar diet and its false 'ethics' ahead of family.
Quoted message said:G) Not going to these gatherings and fasting.
That's right! I said FASTING.
So not only are you self-alienating, filled with self-contempt and contempt for your own flesh and
blood, and selfish, you're also nihilistic. Well that's just great.
Quoted message said:I will be fasting this ThanXgiving again - this has been a tradition since 1998.
Thanksgiving has been a tradition much longer.
Quoted message said:I hope some list members will be joining me
Why? Do you miss the comfort, attention, and love you deny yourself by avoiding family gatherings?
Why are you not content with keeping your little "protest" private?
Quoted message said:on this day of torture, death, greed, selfishness and debauchery by doing the same.
I don't find feast days, particularly one in which we give thanks for our riches and bounty, to be
how you describe. The only selfishness I see about it is your own. Your brand of self-righteous
nihilism is an unsuitable replacement for fellowship with one's family regardless of the food eaten.
Quoted message said:My fast is in HONOR/REMEMBERENCE/REVERENCE of the MILLIONS of animals that are tortured
They're not tortured.
Quoted message said:and abused,
They're not abused.
Quoted message said:then slaughtered just for this one (1) day alone in the U.S.
Why don't you starve yourself the other 364 days, too, then?
Quoted message said:I am not discussing one (1) day fasts. My fasts run from Wednesday until Sunday.
Are you as grumpy during your self-deprivation as you are now?
Quoted message said:Fasting achieves numerous benefits.
No, it makes one hungry.
Quoted message said:It is a wonderful way to clean out the body as far as health is concerned.
If your diet is already healthy and contains sufficient fiber, this isn't an issue.
Quoted message said:Spiritually, it also cleanses the soul.
Spiritually, we're also told to respect our elders (e.g., family), and to feast at times of feast.
If one is going to fast, one should do it before or following such feasts.
Quoted message said:Originally, fasting was used to 'get closer to the higher being.'
No, you misread the scriptures to suit your sanctimony and impiety.
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Quoted message said:Modern times has shown fasting to be a form of protest.
Has shown? Please. Fasting may be a form of modern protest, but it's a stupid one. It's used only by
radicals and morons, and to what effect?
Quoted message said:Gandhi also used fasting to bring his point across.
Give it up. You're no Gandhi.
Quoted message said:My fasting tradition has came about when I could no longer go to family gatherings for this
'holiday' and sit around a table infested with dead carcass and by-products.
Just as I noted above. It's a self-righteous act of self-alienation.
Quoted message said:Even the 'religious' holidays were laughable
So you also disrespect tradition. This not surprising given your neo-nihilism masquerading as some
form of Hinduism. Real Hindus respect Christ even if you don't.
Quoted message said:as we traipsed to our building of worship only to march back to a home full of death, abuse
It's called food.
Quoted message said:and chemical irresponsibility.
Did you do LSD or crack at home?
Quoted message said:I have had numerous opportunities to join like-minded folks for a holiday feast, but prefer to not
look upon this holiday as a festive occasion. Why?
Because you're too self-righteous and filled with contempt for your fellow man.
Quoted message said:Because it also represents false facts throughout American history. Native Americans were thwarted
into slavery
No, they weren't enslaved.
Quoted message said:and near-annihilitation
They fought back. Both sides were at fault.
Quoted message said:by the 'white man' in the name of 'god.'
Spare us the hyperbole. The "false facts" so far are your own. Half-truths are still lies.
Quoted message said:Recent findings are coming out that there was no turkey - or even any kind of 'meat' - at the
dinner; only fruits, vegetables, nuts and grains.
It wasn't a vegan feast, nitwit. Here are the two contemporary sources existant. First, Edward
Winslow's note dated December 12, 1621. Note he said the feast lasted three days -- the same amount
of time you intend to starve yourself and be estranged from your family:
Our corn [i.e., wheat] did prove well, and God be praised, we had a good increase of Indian
corn, and our barley indifferent good, but our peas not worth the gathering, for we feared
they were too late sown. They came up very well, and blossomed, but the sun parched them in
the blossom. Our harvest being gotten in, our governor sent four men on fowling, that so we
might after a special manner rejoice together after we had gathered the fruit of our labors.
They four in one day killed as much fowl as, with a little help beside, served the company
almost a week. At which time, amongst other recreations, we exercised our arms, many of the
Indians coming amongst us, and among the rest their greatest king Massasoit, with some
ninety men, whom for three days we entertained and feasted, and they went out and killed
five deer, which they brought to the plantation and bestowed on our governor, and upon the
captain and others. And although it be not always so plentiful as it was at this time with
us, yet by the goodness of God, we are so far from want that we often wish you partakers of
our plenty.
The second is from William Bradford's History of Plymouth Plantation. They began now to gather in
the small harvest they had, and to fit up their houses and dwellings against winter, being all well
recovered in health and strength and had all things in good plenty. For as some were thus employed
in affairs abroad, others were exercising in fishing, about cod and bass and other fish, of which
they took good store, of which every family had their portion. All the summer there was no want;
and now began to come in store of fowl, as winter approached, of which this place did abound when
they came first (but afterward decreased by degrees). And besides waterfowl there was great store
of wild turkeys, of which they took many, besides venison, etc. Besides they had about a peck of
meal a week to a person, or now since harvest, Indian corn to that proportion. Which made many
afterwards write so largely of their plenty here to their friends in England, which were not
feigned but true reports.
Note again that the meat items were fowl (ducks and geese), wild turkey, five deer, and fish (bass
and cod). Note also some of the vegetables (peas) weren't even gathered.
Quoted message said:Then, back to modern times, it always bothered me
Why would it bother you?
Quoted message said:that after these dinners, the male attendees would gather together in front of a television set to
watch the bloodsport known as 'football,'
It's not a bloodsport.
Quoted message said:leaving the women (slaves again to the 'white man'😉 to clean up and watch after the children.
This is a man's world, this is a man's world But it wouldn't be nothing, nothing without a
woman or a girl. -- James Brown
We take turns every year in my family.
BTW, why do you follow an Eastern religion whose native adherents often kill their daughters and
where "honor killings" of women are allowed?
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Quoted message said:You are invited and welcome to join my discussion list: groups.yahoo.comSoFlaVegansOpen ↗
Geez, no thanks. It's bad enough you're bragging about your
Quoted message said:Starting next week there will appear articles, information and guides about the history and
hypocrisy of ThanXgiving,
You mean propaganda a la your unfounded claim that the first Thanksgiving was "vegan."
Quoted message said:as well as how to cope with the upcoming holidays.
Cope? It must be such an ordeal for someone to have to live with so much self-righteousness.
Quoted message said:Additionally, you will find ways to fast safely and wisely.
Hopefully the other self-marginalized "vegans" here won't put themselves and their families through
such hardship during a feast time.
Quoted message said:For those who wish to "celebrate" and not fast, you will find tons of recipes and tips, as well!
Why should anyone take "tips" from someone who alienates her own flesh and blood to starve herself
and navel-gaze at a time of mutual celebration?
Quoted message said:As we ready ourselves for Fur-Free Friday, I wish everyone who is willing to "take the plunge" the
best of luck in a successful and quick fast, and may all of our efforts pay off!
Blah. You should apologize to your family. They must be very disappointed. Are they as embarrassed
of you as you are of them?
Quoted message said:Here are my other discussion lists that also contain tons of information in each of their
categories – DAILY!!!
You must not have much of a life.
Quoted message said:Please research the message archives for information you are seeking and what you have missed:
Missed? What other dumb advice do you offer?
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American Sign Language and Deaf Culture groups.yahoo.comSignSoFlaOpen ↗
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Om Shanti
Gesundheit.
