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  1. As reported by the Age.

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/cyclist-killed-in-car-accident/2006/09/29/1159337306551.html

    A cyclist died when he fell from his bike and was struck by a car in
    Melbourne's north-west.

    The man, 45, was riding south on St Albans Road at St Albans when he
    fell from his bike near Merton Street and was hit by a car about 10.30pm
    yesterday, police said.

    The motorist, who was not injured, stopped to assist but the cyclist
    died at the scene.

    Victoria's road toll now stands at 244, 15 fewer than at the same time
    last year.

    Friday

  2. Sheet! 4 in 24hrs..that's 1 of us every 6 hrs getting cleaned up..wots
    going on?????

    "Friday" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    As reported by the Age.

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/cyclist-killed-in-car-accident/2006/09/29/1159337306551.html

    A cyclist died when he fell from his bike and was struck by a car in
    Melbourne's north-west.

    The man, 45, was riding south on St Albans Road at St Albans when he fell
    from his bike near Merton Street and was hit by a car about 10.30pm
    yesterday, police said.

    The motorist, who was not injured, stopped to assist but the cyclist died
    at the scene.

    Victoria's road toll now stands at 244, 15 fewer than at the same time
    last year.

    Friday

  3. "Paulus" <[email hidden]..ua> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Sheet! 4 in 24hrs..that's 1 of us every 6 hrs getting cleaned up..wots
    going on?????

    "Friday" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    As reported by the Age.

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/cyclist-killed-in-car-accident/2006/09/29/1159337306551.html

    A cyclist died when he fell from his bike and was struck by a car in
    Melbourne's north-west.

    The man, 45, was riding south on St Albans Road at St Albans when he fell
    from his bike near Merton Street and was hit by a car about 10.30pm
    yesterday, police said.

    The motorist, who was not injured, stopped to assist but the cyclist died
    at the scene.

    Victoria's road toll now stands at 244, 15 fewer than at the same time
    last year.

    Friday


    I bet these 4 tragedies will not make anywhere near the coverage that the
    Hell Ride accident in Mentone recently did. The motorist attitude would be
    "get rid of bicycles from the roads and there wont be any more cycling
    deaths".

    Lose Lose. Sad.

    Have a read of this in today's The Age.

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/death-race-2006-lets-ride-it-out/2006/09/28/1159337278207.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

    Death Race 2006: let's ride it out

    By Jim Schembri
    September 29, 2006

    If one more commentator, police official, talkback radio host, op-ed writer,
    politician or concerned citizen comes out and laments how the slaughter on
    our roads is due to "not getting the message through to drivers", I'm going
    to throw up. Victorian roads have been host to an unprecedented degree of
    carnage in recent days. There's no need to go into the details because
    they're too appalling.

    But the confluence of killing has drawn the usual round of earnest
    commentary about the need for better driver education, for public awareness
    campaigns, for the redesign of troublesome intersections, and for the urgent
    need to insert a partridge in a pear tree. These sentiments do not come as
    part of any sustained opposition to the road carnage, but instead reflect
    the general public's lackadaisical Death Race 2000 attitude to the road
    toll, which is to merely accept it as a normal part of modern life.

    The big proviso, of course, is that the carnage must tick over at a nice,
    steady pace. A few deaths a week is just fine, preferably in singles rather
    than in groups, and in unspectacular crashes. That way the body count can
    rise quietly and remain under everybody's radar.

    It's only when the road slaughter hits an arbitrary critical mass - a
    concentration of horrific incidents within a few days - that the death rate
    draws focus. And each time the toll hits the news, the same nauseating
    ritual of aimless, impotent agonising kicks in. What can we do? How can we
    get the safety message through to drivers? Should there be road education in
    schools? How can we make drivers think more? Where, oh where, has my little
    dog gone?

    Everybody is very serious for a bit - then the issue vanishes as quickly as
    it was picked up. We cut to an ad break and come back to talk about footy
    scores and the weather. It takes another spike in fatalities to get the toll
    back on the agenda.

    Too much time has been wasted debating. The problems are screamingly
    obvious. The elephant in the room has now grown so big that there's barely
    space left for yet another soul to ponder the eternal mystery of "how do we
    get the message through to drivers?".

    People act stupidly on the roads for one simple reason: they're encouraged
    to. For although driver stupidity is responsible for so much of the maiming
    and killing, the lenient penalties incurred by the stupid do not provide
    sufficient discouragement.

    The roads are clogged with drivers who clearly shouldn't be there. Ask any
    plod on booze bus detail. And why? Because it's way too easy to get a
    licence. It's way too hard to lose it. The penalties for culpable driving
    would be a joke if there was anything funny about them. Speed and alcohol
    are our biggest killers, yet the disincentives are too weak to keep people
    from speeding and drinking.

    Here's a great movie idea. A guy wants another guy dead. But rather than
    plot an elaborate murder, he runs his victim over with a car. He makes sure
    he's drunk at the time, is speeding, and that he does it while running a
    stop sign. His penalty? Six-month licence suspension, a $130 fi ne and a
    disapproving look from the judge. The title we're going with is: What Do You
    Have To Do To Lose Your Licence In This Town?.

    The one crucial element always missing from anti-toll campaigns is fear.
    Every time a driver gets pulled over, the threat of lifelong, irreversible
    licence cancellation should be front of mind. If you speed, drink, run a
    red, fail to stop, there it goes - for good.

    But we know that's never going to happen, and we know perfectly well why.
    The hundreds killed and maimed each year on our roads are the sacrifice the
    community willingly makes in exchange for the convenience of driving.
    Introduce tougher laws and never mind the toll - you'll impinge on people's
    freedom to drive drunk, veer over to the wrong side of the road and wipe out
    a family.

    There has been celebration over the fact that Victoria's road toll has been
    "improving". That is, fewer people are dying needlessly now than were dying
    needlessly before. This is obscene. To paraphrase Howard Beale from the 1976
    movie Network, the implication underlying such a boast is that the annual
    harvest of corpses from our roads is somehow part of the natural order of
    things, as though that's the way it's supposed to be.

    And it is, because driving is considered a right rather than a privilege. It
    ought to be the other way around. Drivers should sweat to keep their
    licences. Re-test them every two years. At their expense. Got a problem with
    that? Good. It's the very lack of that type of measure that keeps idiots on
    the road, secure in the knowledge that nobody will care enough to make them
    suffer when their stupidity claims and ruins innocent lives.


  4. Quoted message said:


    There has been celebration over the fact that Victoria's road toll has
    been "improving". That is, fewer people are dying needlessly now than were
    dying needlessly before. This is obscene. To paraphrase Howard Beale from
    the 1976 movie Network, the implication underlying such a boast is that
    the annual harvest of corpses from our roads is somehow part of the
    natural order of things, as though that's the way it's supposed to be.

    And it is, because driving is considered a right rather than a privilege.
    It ought to be the other way around. Drivers should sweat to keep their
    licences. Re-test them every two years. At their expense. Got a problem
    with that? Good. It's the very lack of that type of measure that keeps
    idiots on the road, secure in the knowledge that nobody will care enough
    to make them suffer when their stupidity claims and ruins innocent lives.

    I agree up to the last - just how is testing people going to make them safer
    drivers? Everyone would be on their best behaviour for the test then
    promptly revert to driving like they always do, which in *most* cases is
    safely enough. It might weed out a few incompetents who can't reverse park
    or who dont know the road rules but it wouldnt get the hard cases who drink
    and drive or habitually speed or who suffer from road rage, unless the test
    was designed pretty cunningly. Stiffer penalties might be useful , many
    more speed cameras and red light cameras, black boxes in cars, and some sort
    of community dobbing in of people known to drive dangerously or
    antisocially. Isnt it that 10% of people cause 90% of the problems. Even
    then, people who lose their licences just drive unlicensed.

    fb

  5. Jim Schembri's opinion in the age theage.com.auopini...ge
    hits a few nerves with some, and I'm sure goes straight over the top with many...

    Now ...just think of a society where....... way too many kids are needing foster home care in droves because of dysfunctional parents...where drug abuse is encouraged through the sale of social drugs like nicotine and alcohol, drugs which would be banned if they were new on the market or at least would have stringent TGA controls...where pollutants are pumped into a fragile hurting environment, killers in charge of weapons as machines get off scot free, where obscene monies are paid to a few MBA holders who are tought to negotiate an employment contract first and then think about shareholder value and corporate citizenship if at all, where politicians lie, religious leaders abuse, media distort and misrepresent, elite sports people cheat and food producers poison to ensure pharmaceuticals profit....hmmmm sounds horrible, almost fictional...

    oh jeeeeeeeezez...its where we are at....

    calm blue ocean calm blue ocean.....

    the bicycle is a freedom vehicle, at least we have that...and with care and deliberate concern for our fellow man/women and children, we will save this planet and preserve it better than it was heading...so our kids kids can say thank you...not condemn us for neglect....

    advocate, speak up and say your peace...the worst crime is done when good people say nothing....

    over to you (steps off soapbox..., till the next time...)..oh and go see the film/slides of Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth"..you may not agree but you have to wonder and it may prompt you to do something about the state of things as they are or as they could be....

  6. Hey, whoa, hang on. I'm finding myself largely in agreement with that
    article. Who is this person and what has he done with Jim Schembri?

  7. Resound said:

    Hey, whoa, hang on. I'm finding myself largely in agreement with that
    article. Who is this person and what has he done with Jim Schembri?


    I'm not disagreeing either...I was saying that many miss the points JS makes...plus

  8. Fractal said:


    I agree up to the last - just how is testing people going to make them safer
    drivers? Everyone would be on their best behaviour for the test then
    promptly revert to driving like they always do, which in *most* cases is
    safely enough. It might weed out a few incompetents who can't reverse park
    or who dont know the road rules but it wouldnt get the hard cases who drink
    and drive or habitually speed or who suffer from road rage, unless the test
    was designed pretty cunningly.

    Useful testing would have to include some sort of psych testing to
    actually assess whether you are stable enough to drive a car without
    taking risks such as drink driving, driving 100kph through backstreets, etc.

    Quoted message said:

    Stiffer penalties might be useful , many
    more speed cameras and red light cameras, black boxes in cars, and some sort
    of community dobbing in of people known to drive dangerously or
    antisocially. Isnt it that 10% of people cause 90% of the problems. Even
    then, people who lose their licences just drive unlicensed.

    More and more fines are being handed out but the number of speeders and
    drink drivers doesn't seem to be dropping as much any more. Doesn't that
    tell you that stiffer penalties won't work? I agree some penalties are
    pissweak - if they were serious that speed kills you'd lose your license
    for 10 over the limit repeated three times but they seem to prefer the
    revenue or maybe they're worried that as so many people speed they'd
    vote against them at the next election.

    --
    Ben
    Lyric of the week: "This the eighties and I'm down with the ladies"

  9. Ben Thomas said:

    More and more fines are being handed out but the number of speeders and
    drink drivers doesn't seem to be dropping as much any more.

    Which means that the penalty for being caught is insignificant. If you
    were to lose your license for a year for driving at 10km/h over the
    limit I bet there'd be a lot mroe compliance.
    --
    Cheers
    Euan

  10. In aus.bicycle on Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:27:00 GMT

    Fractal said:


    I agree up to the last - just how is testing people going to make them safer
    drivers? Everyone would be on their best behaviour for the test then
    promptly revert to driving like they always do, which in *most* cases is
    safely enough. It might weed out a few incompetents who can't reverse park

    That's what I used to think until I read of an experiment in the UK.

    They took drivers with several years' experience on a mock driving
    test and found that habit took over... They might have started doing
    the right thing but rather quickly fell into their normal habits.

    From memory the usual mistakes were speeding, failing to check before
    changing lanes, and failing to anticipate - that is failing to see
    what was happening up ahead and deal in time.

    Zebee

  11. In aus.bicycle on Sat, 30 Sep 2006 05:40:14 GMT

    Euan said:
    Ben Thomas said:

    More and more fines are being handed out but the number of speeders and
    drink drivers doesn't seem to be dropping as much any more.

    Which means that the penalty for being caught is insignificant. If you
    were to lose your license for a year for driving at 10km/h over the
    limit I bet there'd be a lot mroe compliance.

    It's the old penalty vs liklihood tradeoff, the famous example being
    pickpockets working the crowd at a hanging of people for picking
    pockets.

    If the penalty for doing 10kmh over was loss of licence for a year but
    you had to be followed for 2km by a marked car with lights and sirens
    going, then I doubt most people would care.

    If the penalty was $5 for every 30 secs you spent over the limit,
    measured by a black box and automatically deducted from your account,
    I think they'd care...

    Zebee

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