anth and the flush

I never said single trial. If I try this and nothing comes out then the argument that it's just the
combination of the oils etc making the stones is bunkum. If something comes out and I mail it off to
a lab I can have it analysed. To my knowledge I have no stones. I have posted the ideal way to test
it, which I cannot do because I don't have access to a scanner. Anth

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Anth said:

If nothing comes out then it's bunkum.

You will conclude it is bunkum if a single trial fails???

What if you have no stones to come out??

What if it only works 95% of the time and you are the 5% it does not work??

Not much of a scientist are you Anth??

Aloha,

Rich

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Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote:

> Anth , What you need to realise is that those who ridicule the alternative approaches are not
> going to be swayed no matter what you or anyone

else

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says

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> . I have done the flush many times and I know it works as does my

doctor

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HOW do you know it "works"? Did you have an ultrasound of the liver and gallbladder before the
treatment confirming that you actually had stones? Do you have ultrasound studies done before
and after the

flushes

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that shows a decrease in the number of stones? Did you actually find stones in your stool and
submit them for analysis to show that they actually are stones? If the answer to the last two
questions is "no," you don't know the flush "works." You only think or assume it does.

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Many stones will come from your liver.

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I never said single trial. If I try this and nothing comes out then the argument that it's just
the combination of the oils etc making the stones is bunkum. If something comes out and I mail it
off to a lab I can have it analysed.

To

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my knowledge I have no stones. I have posted the ideal way to test it, which I cannot do because I
don't have access to a scanner. Anth

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Anth said:

If nothing comes out then it's bunkum.

You will conclude it is bunkum if a single trial fails???

What if you have no stones to come out??

What if it only works 95% of the time and you are the 5% it does not work??

Not much of a scientist are you Anth??

Aloha,

Rich

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Anth

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> In article <[email hidden]>, "Bew"

<qw@nonamewhatsover>

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> > Anth , What you need to realise is that those who ridicule the

alternative

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> > approaches are not going to be swayed no matter what you or anyone

else

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> > . I have done the flush many times and I know it works as does my

doctor

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> HOW do you know it "works"? Did you have an ultrasound of the liver

and

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> gallbladder before the treatment confirming that you actually had stones? Do you have
> ultrasound studies done before and after the

flushes

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> that shows a decrease in the number of stones? Did you actually find stones in your stool and
> submit them for analysis to show that they actually are stones? If the answer to the last two
> questions is "no," you don't know the flush "works." You only think or assume it does.
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

If nothing comes out then it's bunkum.

Not if you don't have any stones in the first place. If there are no stones there, then even if the
flush WERE efficacious, you would expect nothing to come out. Without an ultrasound of the
gallbladder BEFORE any flushes, to document the presence of stones, you have no way of knowing if
the flushes do what it is claimed that they do.

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In article said:

Anth , What you need to realise is that those who ridicule the alternative approaches are not
going to be swayed no matter what you or anyone else

says

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. I have done the flush many times and I know it works as does my doctor

,

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HOW do you know it "works"? Did you have an ultrasound of the liver and gallbladder before the
treatment confirming that you actually had stones? Do you have ultrasound studies done before
and after the flushes that shows a decrease in the number of stones? Did you actually find
stones in your stool and submit them for analysis to show that they actually are stones? If the
answer to the last two questions is "no," you don't know the flush "works." You only think or
assume it does.

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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you inconvenience me with questions?"

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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you inconvenience me with questions?"

In article said:

Anth said:

If nothing comes out then it's bunkum.

You will conclude it is bunkum if a single trial fails???

What if you have no stones to come out??

What if it only works 95% of the time and you are the 5% it does not work??

Not much of a scientist are you Anth??

Indeed. And to think that Anth had the gall to criticize me for supposedly not knowing basic
statistics and uncertainty.

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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

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Many stones will come from your liver.

Not if he doesn't have any. Heck, even if he does have some, the flush ain't gonna get rid of them.

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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you inconvenience me with questions?"

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What if it only works 95% of the time and you are the 5% it does not work??

Not much of a scientist are you Anth??

Indeed. And to think that Anth had the gall to criticize me for supposedly not knowing basic
statistics and uncertainty.

Had the gall, that's a good one !
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Take out the G'RBAGE for private discussion.
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Argument :- The flush doesn't work - what comes out is a chemical reaction in the body with the
oils. Now I do the flush and nothing comes out either that argument is wrong or I don't have stones.
Something comes out I can get it analysed. That's the best I can do without a CT scanner.

Also you claim the flush doesn't work, and in another post you warn again the fact that if it does
what it does then the stones could pierce the tubes? I'll find out for myself thanks, then I will
know. Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Anth"

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If nothing comes out then it's bunkum.

Not if you don't have any stones in the first place. If there are no stones there, then even if
the flush WERE efficacious, you would expect nothing to come out. Without an ultrasound of the
gallbladder BEFORE any flushes, to document the presence of stones, you have no way of knowing if
the flushes do what it is claimed that they do.

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Bew"

<qw@nonamewhatsover>

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wrote:

> Anth , What you need to realise is that those who ridicule the alternative approaches are
> not going to be swayed no matter what you or anyone

else

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Quoted message said:

says

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> . I have done the flush many times and I know it works as does my

doctor

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,

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HOW do you know it "works"? Did you have an ultrasound of the liver

and

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gallbladder before the treatment confirming that you actually had stones? Do you have
ultrasound studies done before and after the

flushes

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that shows a decrease in the number of stones? Did you actually find stones in your stool and
submit them for analysis to show that they actually are stones? If the answer to the last two
questions is "no," you don't know the flush "works." You only think or assume it does.

[Snip]

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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you inconvenience me with
|questions?"

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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you inconvenience me with questions?"

Ok started the flush procedure 1 pint of apple juice 20.30 (I will be continuing this till I drink
the potion on Saturday and end up in hospital) It's all your fault!!! Anth (Normally I eat very
little cooked/procesed food anyways but I do like my sweeties)

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(and on top of that I added 8floz of celery juice 20:42) Anth

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Most of stones for us came out after resuming normal eating again. Don't wory, you can't miss them
because of their turquoise colour.

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(and on top of that I added 8floz of celery juice 20:42) Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Also you claim the flush doesn't work, and in another post you warn again the fact that if it does
what it does then the stones could pierce the tubes?

You clearly didn't understand what I said.

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I'll find out for myself thanks, then I will know.

The problem is, you won't.

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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you inconvenience me with questions?"

Orac said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Anth"

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Also you claim the flush doesn't work, and in another post you warn again the fact that if it
does what it does then the stones could pierce the tubes?

You clearly didn't understand what I said.

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I'll find out for myself thanks, then I will know.

The problem is, you won't.

Perception creates its own reality.

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Most of stones for us came out after resuming normal eating again. Don't wory, you can't miss them
because of their turquoise colour.

Didn't know that that a human beings could produce *turquoise* stones from their digestive tract.

Have some silver, perhaps immortality bracelets or rings can be constructed from the raw materials

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-Yoshimo

The problem is I will. Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Anth"

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Also you claim the flush doesn't work, and in another post you warn

again

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the fact that if it does what it does then the stones could pierce the tubes?

You clearly didn't understand what I said.

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I'll find out for myself thanks, then I will know.

The problem is, you won't.

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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you inconvenience me with questions?"

We'll see. Anth

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Most of stones for us came out after resuming normal eating again. Don't wory, you can't miss them
because of their turquoise colour.

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(and on top of that I added 8floz of celery juice 20:42) Anth

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We had absolutely no problem with this flush. It worked and caused no discomfort except the hunger
for the day. A couple bouts of diarrhea in the late morning and it was basically over except a good
healthful feeling or cleanliness.

Many stones came out each time but my wife's gallbladdar was so hard they thought she had cancer.
Biopsy on it proved hardened with scar tissue from so much abuse to it. The stones destroyed it.
The stones IMO are from the liver mostly and this is excellent for your health to cleanse your
liver anyway.

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We'll see. Anth

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Most of stones for us came out after resuming normal eating again.

Don't

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wory, you can't miss them because of their turquoise colour.

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(and on top of that I added 8floz of celery juice 20:42) Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

The problem is I will.

No, the problem is that you think you will know, but you won't.

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The usual from someone who swears by the scientific method. I will know. The
point is you won't and you will still be parroting assumptions that is doesn't
work. I will find out. Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Anth"

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The problem is I will.

No, the problem is that you think you will know, but you won't.

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|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you inconvenience me
|with questions?"

Did they scan the gall bladder and find stones then no/reduced stones after the
flush? Did you get the stones sent off to a lab? Cheers Anth

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We had absolutely no problem with this flush. It worked and caused no
discomfort except the hunger for the day. A couple bouts of diarrhea in

the

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late morning and it was basically over except a good healthful feeling or
cleanliness.

Many stones came out each time but my wife's gallbladdar was so hard they
thought she had cancer. Biopsy on it proved hardened with scar tissue from so
much abuse to it. The stones destroyed it. The stones IMO are from the liver
mostly and this is excellent for your health to cleanse your liver anyway.

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We'll see. Anth

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Most of stones for us came out after resuming normal eating again.

Don't

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wory, you can't miss them because of their turquoise colour.

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> (and on top of that I added 8floz of celery juice 20:42) Anth
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Thanks for the info wrt the stage 4 colorectal cancer. Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Anth"

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The problem is I will.

No, the problem is that you think you will know, but you won't.

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