Any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks

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Is there any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks besides
the self extracting crank bolts in some Victory cranks?

This is just a guess, but I think the extractor threads are
different, a Victory crank w/o the self extractor bolts is
useless unless you have the special Left handed thread extractor
tool. I vaguely recall that the Triomphe is more normal and
has right handed extractor threads on both sides.

I am just guessing and could be completely wrong about this.
They are pretty cranks and generally cheap, but it's for a
reason. Between the 116 BCD and the odd threading, they can
be very difficult to actually use.

_ Booker C. Bense

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Indeed, the victory cranks are a big problem. First, I think they are
anodized (triomphe cranks are simply polished). Second, they have
weirdo backwards left-handed (?) threads. If you lose the self
extracting crank bolts you are in deep trouble as reverse-threaded
(campy-made) extractors are rare. Another bad campy idea ...

Finally, the 5 spider arms are actually different on victory and
triomphe, although they look superficially similar. Triomphe arms
taper almost all the way to the chainring bolts ; victory arms have
more of a bowtie traper (they taper inwards, then taper outwards,
roughly in equal amounts) and victory arms are much beefier.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

* * Chas said:

Is there any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks besides
the self extracting crank bolts in some Victory cranks?

In that era, Record cranks are an oval cross section, Victory has a
narrowish flat face and beveled sides, Triomphe similar but a broader
face, less 'cut' on the edges.

The extractors may be added or removed with the Record tool. Same 116mm
rings, IIRC.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

* * Chas said:

Is there any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks besides
the self extracting crank bolts in some Victory cranks?

Victory has a nicer, polished and anodized finish than Triomphe. I have
their official product brochures here:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/victory.pdf
http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/triomphe.pdf

--

John ([email hidden])

John Thompson said:

* * Chas said:

Is there any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks besides
the self extracting crank bolts in some Victory cranks?

Victory has a nicer, polished and anodized finish than Triomphe. I have
their official product brochures here:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/victory.pdf
http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/triomphe.pdf

For all their faults detailed elsewhere in this thread, those are very
attractive cranks. They look almost exactly like some SR cranks I had
from about that same period, except that the Campag cranks are much
more nicely finished.

Donald Gillies said:

Indeed, the victory cranks are a big problem. First, I think they are
anodized (triomphe cranks are simply polished).

That's not true. I had a set of Victory cranks that were simply
polished aluminum. But, most modern cranks and other parts are
anodized, so that should not be a deal-killer. They would certainly be
not "hard anodized", considering their time frame.

Second, they have

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weirdo backwards left-handed (?) threads.

Yeah. Save at least one of their cheesy self-extractors, else you will
not be able to remove the crank.

--

David L. Johnson

Arguing with an engineer is like mud wrestling with a pig...
You soon find out the pig likes it!

Steve Gravrock said:

John Thompson said:

* * Chas said:

Is there any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks besides
the self extracting crank bolts in some Victory cranks?

Victory has a nicer, polished and anodized finish than Triomphe. I have
their official product brochures here:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/victory.pdf
http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/triomphe.pdf

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For all their faults detailed elsewhere in this thread, those are very
attractive cranks. They look almost exactly like some SR cranks I had
from about that same period, except that the Campag cranks are much
more nicely finished.

The biggest drawback to the cranks was the completely non-standard 116mm
BCD. This limited chainring availablity even when they were still in
production. Plus, the left-hand thread on the Victory crank's
self-extracting bolts could be problematic if you lost one.

--

John ([email hidden])

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* * Chas <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Is there any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks besides
> the self extracting crank bolts in some Victory cranks?

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John Thompson said:

Victory has a nicer, polished and anodized finish than Triomphe. I have
their official product brochures here:
http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/victory.pdf
http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/triomphe.pdf

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Steve Gravrock said:

For all their faults detailed elsewhere in this thread, those are very
attractive cranks. They look almost exactly like some SR cranks I had
from about that same period, except that the Campag cranks are much
more nicely finished.

John Thompson said:

The biggest drawback to the cranks was the completely non-standard 116mm
BCD. This limited chainring availablity even when they were still in
production. Plus, the left-hand thread on the Victory crank's
self-extracting bolts could be problematic if you lost one.

For as often as that operation's needed, a visit to your LBS for crank
removal with Campagnolo's LH puller isn't a big deal.

116mm rings mean you either like the gearing or you should pass on these
cranks.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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> * * Chas <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> Is there any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks

besides

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>> the self extracting crank bolts in some Victory cranks?

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John Thompson <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Victory has a nicer, polished and anodized finish than Triomphe. I

have

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> their official product brochures here:
> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/victory.pdf
> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/triomphe.pdf

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Steve Gravrock said:

For all their faults detailed elsewhere in this thread, those are

very

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attractive cranks. They look almost exactly like some SR cranks I had
from about that same period, except that the Campag cranks are much
more nicely finished.

John Thompson said:

The biggest drawback to the cranks was the completely non-standard

116mm

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BCD. This limited chainring availablity even when they were still in
production. Plus, the left-hand thread on the Victory crank's
self-extracting bolts could be problematic if you lost one.

For as often as that operation's needed, a visit to your LBS for crank
removal with Campagnolo's LH puller isn't a big deal.

116mm rings mean you either like the gearing or you should pass on these
cranks.
--
Andrew Muzi

Thanks, too late...

I picked up a rare Italian vintage frame from a local seller earlier this
year. He offered me a deal on a vintage grupo of my choice. Last week was
the first time we were able to get together to work out a deal on the
components.

He had a box full of recent Campy acquisitions. In the mix was an almost
new Victory crankset with self extractor crank bolts. I'd never seen one
of these cranks up close and after looking at R/NR/SR cranks and clones
for 40+ years I figured it might look good on one of my bikes.

52/42 is not my cup of tea. I'd seen some 116mm chainrings at several LBSs
in the past so I figured I would be able to get smaller rings without a
problem. So far I've drawn a blank on finding a 50T and under 40T 116mm
chainrings.

Chas.

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>> * * Chas <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> Is there any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks

besides

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>>> the self extracting crank bolts in some Victory cranks?

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> John Thompson <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> Victory has a nicer, polished and anodized finish than Triomphe. I

have

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>> their official product brochures here:
>> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/victory.pdf
>> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/triomphe.pdf

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Steve Gravrock <[email hidden]> wrote:
> For all their faults detailed elsewhere in this thread, those are

very

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> attractive cranks. They look almost exactly like some SR cranks I had
> from about that same period, except that the Campag cranks are much
> more nicely finished.

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John Thompson said:

The biggest drawback to the cranks was the completely non-standard

116mm

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BCD. This limited chainring availablity even when they were still in
production. Plus, the left-hand thread on the Victory crank's
self-extracting bolts could be problematic if you lost one.

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For as often as that operation's needed, a visit to your LBS for crank
removal with Campagnolo's LH puller isn't a big deal.

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116mm rings mean you either like the gearing or you should pass on these
cranks.
--
Andrew Muzi

Thanks, too late...

I picked up a rare Italian vintage frame from a local seller earlier this
year. He offered me a deal on a vintage grupo of my choice. Last week was
the first time we were able to get together to work out a deal on the
components.

He had a box full of recent Campy acquisitions. In the mix was an almost
new Victory crankset with self extractor crank bolts. I'd never seen one
of these cranks up close and after looking at R/NR/SR cranks and clones
for 40+ years I figured it might look good on one of my bikes.

52/42 is not my cup of tea. I'd seen some 116mm chainrings at several LBSs
in the past so I figured I would be able to get smaller rings without a
problem. So far I've drawn a blank on finding a 50T and under 40T 116mm
chainrings.

I fear you are doomed, my friend.........

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>>> * * Chas <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>> Is there any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe

cranks

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besides

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>>>> the self extracting crank bolts in some Victory cranks?

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>> John Thompson <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> Victory has a nicer, polished and anodized finish than Triomphe.

I

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have

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>>> their official product brochures here:
>>> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/victory.pdf
>>> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/triomphe.pdf

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>Steve Gravrock <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> For all their faults detailed elsewhere in this thread, those are

very

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>> attractive cranks. They look almost exactly like some SR cranks I

had

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>> from about that same period, except that the Campag cranks are

much

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>> more nicely finished.

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John Thompson wrote:
> The biggest drawback to the cranks was the completely non-standard

116mm

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> BCD. This limited chainring availablity even when they were still

in

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> production. Plus, the left-hand thread on the Victory crank's
> self-extracting bolts could be problematic if you lost one.

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For as often as that operation's needed, a visit to your LBS for

crank

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removal with Campagnolo's LH puller isn't a big deal.

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116mm rings mean you either like the gearing or you should pass on

these

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cranks.
--
Andrew Muzi

Thanks, too late...

I picked up a rare Italian vintage frame from a local seller earlier

this

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year. He offered me a deal on a vintage grupo of my choice. Last week

was

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the first time we were able to get together to work out a deal on the
components.

He had a box full of recent Campy acquisitions. In the mix was an

almost

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new Victory crankset with self extractor crank bolts. I'd never seen

one

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of these cranks up close and after looking at R/NR/SR cranks and

clones

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for 40+ years I figured it might look good on one of my bikes.

52/42 is not my cup of tea. I'd seen some 116mm chainrings at several

LBSs

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in the past so I figured I would be able to get smaller rings without

a

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problem. So far I've drawn a blank on finding a 50T and under 40T

116mm

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chainrings.

I fear you are doomed, my friend.........

Potential uses:

1. A squirrel killing ninja Frisbee with a handle?

2. A nice wall decoration

3. A ruthless eBay sale...

42T and 52T 116mm chainrings are available and that's what I have but I'm
getting too long in the tooth to push high gears anymore.

Chas.

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52/42 is not my cup of tea. I'd seen some 116mm chainrings at several LBSs
in the past so I figured I would be able to get smaller rings without a
problem. So far I've drawn a blank on finding a 50T and under 40T 116mm
chainrings.

_ I think 50t is pretty unlikely. You might get lucky and find a
36t on Ebay, there was a guy selling them fairly regularly for a
while. I won't sell you mine...

_ You might try these guys

http://www.bicycleclassics.com/

There web page claims to have some 116 BCD rings, but I was never
successful in actually contacting them. Looks like they are all
out of 36t...

_ It makes a great fixed gear crank.

http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2006/sept/BookerBense.htm

_ Booker C. Bense

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52/42 is not my cup of tea. I'd seen some 116mm chainrings at several LBSs
in the past so I figured I would be able to get smaller rings without a
problem. So far I've drawn a blank on finding a 50T and under 40T 116mm
chainrings.

Been there, done that. 52/42 was too high for me even when I was 19
years old and had good knees. Fortunately, in my case the rings were
110mm so finding a triple crank that they'd fit on was trivial.

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> >>> * * Chas <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>>> Is there any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe

cranks

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besides
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> >> John Thompson <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>> Victory has a nicer, polished and anodized finish than Triomphe.

I

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> >>> their official product brochures here:
> >>> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/victory.pdf
> >>> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/triomphe.pdf

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> >Steve Gravrock <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> For all their faults detailed elsewhere in this thread, those are
very
> >> attractive cranks. They look almost exactly like some SR cranks I

had

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> >> from about that same period, except that the Campag cranks are

much

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> >> more nicely finished.

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> John Thompson wrote:
> > The biggest drawback to the cranks was the completely non-standard
116mm
> > BCD. This limited chainring availablity even when they were still

in

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> > production. Plus, the left-hand thread on the Victory crank's
> > self-extracting bolts could be problematic if you lost one.

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> For as often as that operation's needed, a visit to your LBS for

crank

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> removal with Campagnolo's LH puller isn't a big deal.

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> 116mm rings mean you either like the gearing or you should pass on

these

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> cranks.
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> Andrew Muzi

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Thanks, too late...

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I picked up a rare Italian vintage frame from a local seller earlier

this

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year. He offered me a deal on a vintage grupo of my choice. Last week

was

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the first time we were able to get together to work out a deal on the
components.

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He had a box full of recent Campy acquisitions. In the mix was an

almost

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new Victory crankset with self extractor crank bolts. I'd never seen

one

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of these cranks up close and after looking at R/NR/SR cranks and

clones

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for 40+ years I figured it might look good on one of my bikes.

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52/42 is not my cup of tea. I'd seen some 116mm chainrings at several

LBSs

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in the past so I figured I would be able to get smaller rings without

a

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problem. So far I've drawn a blank on finding a 50T and under 40T

116mm

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chainrings.

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I fear you are doomed, my friend.........

Potential uses:

1. A squirrel killing ninja Frisbee with a handle?

2. A nice wall decoration

3. A ruthless eBay sale...

42T and 52T 116mm chainrings are available and that's what I have but I'm
getting too long in the tooth to push high gears anymore.

How 'bout one of those Shimano 7sp 13-34 MegaRange FWs? 🙂

Steve Gravrock said:

For all their faults detailed elsewhere in this thread, those are very
attractive cranks. They look almost exactly like some SR cranks I had
from about that same period, except that the Campag cranks are much
more nicely finished.

Actually, Campy got really weird about non-NR/SR stuff in the early
1980's.

- there is a 144 bcd gransport crank that looks like nuovo record
- there is a 144 bcd victory crank that looks like nuovo record
both of the above cranks are identical in shape/size.

- there is a gransport crank with 3 arms - first steel, then alloy.
- there is a geometric victory crank that's 116 bcd with 5 arms.
which is very close in size/shape to triomphe and uses similar rings.

We were talking (I think) about the geometric victory crank, that was
roundly hated by just about everyone for its lousy aesthetics. I
think you are talking about the rare 144 bcd victory 5-arm
nuovo-record type of cranks.

I have seen the following victory/triomphe chainrings on the internet
:

52T, 53T

42T, 35T, 36T

As far as I know, no other sizes were made. wwcyclery on ebay, and
www.bicycleclassics.com, and www.loosescrews.com are some places you
might look for chainrings.

One good thing is that you can triplize these cranks with 15mm
chainring bolts that are available today.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

Donald Gillies said:

I have seen the following victory/triomphe chainrings on the internet
:

52T, 53T

42T, 35T, 36T

As far as I know, no other sizes were made.

A quibble, but I used to have a 50/35 Victory crankset, and those were
original Campy chainrings.

--

David L. Johnson

If all economists were laid end to end, they would not reach a
conclusion.
-- George Bernard Shaw

David L. Johnson said:

Donald Gillies said:

I have seen the following victory/triomphe chainrings on the internet
:

52T, 53T

42T, 35T, 36T

As far as I know, no other sizes were made.

A quibble, but I used to have a 50/35 Victory crankset, and those were
original Campy chainrings.

There's a guy on Ebay selling 28/38/50 Victory triples, which appear to
be factory new. (No, it's not me). Item #320080653205

http://cgi.ebay.com/Campagnolo-Victory-triple-crankset-175mm-28-38-50t_W0QQitemZ320080653205QQihZ011QQcategoryZ56195QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

(Sorry, too lazy to learn how to use those shortlink services)

Mark J.

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I have seen the following victory/triomphe chainrings on the internet
:

52T, 53T

42T, 35T, 36T

As far as I know, no other sizes were made. wwcyclery on ebay, and
www.bicycleclassics.com, and www.loosescrews.com are some places you
might look for chainrings.

One good thing is that you can triplize these cranks with 15mm
chainring bolts that are available today.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

Thanks for the feedback.

The Campy Victory & Triomphe catalog supplements from that time list
chainrings in the following sizes:

35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 50, 51, 52, & 53 teeth.

Campy also made a true triple Victory crankset that used a 28T chainring
that attached to bosses behind the spiders.

Chas.