Article on Landis

In aus.bicycle on 27 Jul 2006 16:14:27 -0700

Donga said:

All you have to do is put a hormone treatment patch on your scrotum for
six hours, no needles required:

But where's the fun in that?

Zebee

Zebee Johnstone said:

But where's the fun in that?

You worry me, Zebee.

Donga

quote='Bleve'Claes said:

Aeek said:

cfsmtb said:

??😕??
http://tinyurl.com/lsgkw

definite, he's being classier than Jan.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul27news3

This is so sad. I watched a total of 4 hours of the tour, because of
doping problems in general, but the debacle with Ullrich and the rest
at start in particular. Now this, I am glad I did not watch more. So so
sad, it is hard to be a cycling fan these days.

you know what? It was a fantastic race to watch. You missed out.

Do you feel cheated if your favorite musician plays on stage, while
using coke, or alcohol?

I hope it's not true that Landis was deliberatly cheating, but even if
he was doping to the eyeballs and gets the race taken off him and
banned for ever, the race was still a superb one to watch.[/QUOTE]

Here's an idea - at some point during week 2 of the Tour, the organisers select a top 15 rider at random, dope him to the eyeballs and release him back into the pack. The goal is to guess who is on drugs, with bets taken on cyclingnews's fantasy tour game..... o hang on.. that sorta happens already.... 🙄

Zebee Johnstone said:

Donga said:

All you have to do is put a hormone treatment patch on your scrotum
for six hours, no needles required:

But where's the fun in that?

The fun would be in removing the patch. Ouch!

Theo

Claes said:

Aeek said:

cfsmtb said:

??😕??
http://tinyurl.com/lsgkw

definite, he's being classier than Jan.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul27news3

This is so sad. I watched a total of 4 hours of the tour, because of
doping problems in general, but the debacle with Ullrich and the rest
at start in particular. Now this, I am glad I did not watch more. So so
sad, it is hard to be a cycling fan these days.

--
Claes

If you only watched 4 hrs you're not a cycling fans so no problems.

Claes said:

This is so sad. I watched a total of 4 hours of the tour, because of
doping problems in general, but the debacle with Ullrich and the rest
at start in particular. Now this, I am glad I did not watch more. So so
sad, it is hard to be a cycling fan these days.

I'd compare this to being too afraid to ask someone out. Yes, you're
guaranteed to never be disappointed or rejected. But by not taking
the risk, you're also guaranteed to miss out on a lot of good stuff..

--
..dt

Claes said:

Now this, I am glad I did not watch more. So so
sad, it is hard to be a cycling fan these days.

Why? Because its getting harder to fool yourself? Time to face reality.
Winning the Tour _requires_ super-human ability.
Why not just be honest and enjoy it for what it is?

A fusion of coaching, drugs, altitude training, drugs, psychology,
strategy, genetics, drugs, skill, money, legal "supplements", ...

How about legalising it, and giving the pharmacists the recognition
they deserve?

So they all cheat. So what? No amount of EPO could get you or I to
keep up with that peleton.

Next we'll discover that supermodels are airbrushed, or Ray Martin's
hair isn't his own.

Theo Bekkers said:

Zebee Johnstone said:

Donga said:

All you have to do is put a hormone treatment patch on your scrotum
for six hours, no needles required:

But where's the fun in that?

The fun would be in removing the patch. Ouch!

No,
Real cyclists don't stop shaving at the thigh!

warrwych said:

Here's an idea - at some point during week 2 of the Tour, the
organisers select a top 15 rider at random, dope him to the eyeballs
and release him back into the pack. The goal is to guess who is on
drugs, with bets taken on cyclingnews's fantasy tour game..... o hang
on.. that sorta happens already.... 🙄

For $4.95 the punters can SMS their votes in. 🙂

Travis

quote='Mike'Claes said:

Now this, I am glad I did not watch more. So so
sad, it is hard to be a cycling fan these days.

Why? Because its getting harder to fool yourself? Time to face reality.
Winning the Tour _requires_ super-human ability.
Why not just be honest and enjoy it for what it is?

[...] [/QUOTE]
Predictions that this will turn people away from the sport:

theaustralian.news.com.au0,20867,19938963 2722,00.htmlOpen ↗

I'm far less interested in watching people cycle than I am actually cycling, but if indeed these ongoing media frenzies turn people away from cycling as a sport it is a real pity.

I must confess the bit that worries me most about it is the thought of people using dosages of drugs which aren't well-understood for use in people without any ongoing health surveillance because the whole thing is hush-hush. I don't like the idea of people cheating, but I like less the idea that they may end up with short- or long-term health deficits as a result.

ali

Mike said:

Real cyclists don't stop shaving at the thigh!

Roadie Scum! :-)

--
Dave Hughes | [email hidden]
We tend to view 'all publicity is good publicity' as a challenge
we should endeavour to meet - The Register

quote='Bleve'Claes said:

Aeek said:

cfsmtb said:

??😕??
http://tinyurl.com/lsgkw

definite, he's being classier than Jan.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul27news3

This is so sad. I watched a total of 4 hours of the tour, because of
doping problems in general, but the debacle with Ullrich and the rest
at start in particular. Now this, I am glad I did not watch more. So so
sad, it is hard to be a cycling fan these days.

you know what? It was a fantastic race to watch. You missed out.

Do you feel cheated if your favorite musician plays on stage, while
using coke, or alcohol?

I hope it's not true that Landis was deliberatly cheating, but even if
he was doping to the eyeballs and gets the race taken off him and
banned for ever, the race was still a superb one to watch.[/QUOTE]
That comparison does not hold for me at least. You are comparing cars and
oranges here I reckon. Nuff said.

quote='PiledHigher'Claes said:

Aeek said:

cfsmtb said:

??😕??
http://tinyurl.com/lsgkw

definite, he's being classier than Jan.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul27news3

This is so sad. I watched a total of 4 hours of the tour, because of
doping problems in general, but the debacle with Ullrich and the rest
at start in particular. Now this, I am glad I did not watch more. So so
sad, it is hard to be a cycling fan these days.

--
Claes

If you only watched 4 hrs you're not a cycling fans so no problems.[/QUOTE]
If you see no problem fine for you, fan away fannie girl

Bleve said:

Do you feel cheated if your favorite musician plays on stage, while
using coke, or alcohol?

I hope it's not true that Landis was deliberatly cheating, but even if
he was doping to the eyeballs and gets the race taken off him and
banned for ever, the race was still a superb one to watch.

Bill Hicks: "If you don't think drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor, go home and take all your albums, tapes, cds...and burn them. Cause, you know what, all those musicians who made that great music that has enhanced your lives throughout the years...real [censored] high on drugs."

The race was fscking great to watch. Oddly enough, all this drug scandal [censored] just makes it more interesting for me AND the tour gets coverage (albeit negative) after the event has ended. "All press is good press!"

hippy
- loves a good scandal

alison_b said:

I must confess the bit that worries me most about it is the thought of people using dosages of drugs which aren't well-understood for use in people without any ongoing health surveillance because the whole thing is hush-hush. I don't like the idea of people cheating, but I like less the idea that they may end up with short- or long-term health deficits as a result.

Many thousands of non-athletes do this now. Coke, speed, heroin, meth, lsd, e, ghb, blah, etc, etc.

People take risks and I like to think it's their own stupid fault if these risks backfire. I'm cool with that as long as the risk applies to them alone.

What I _don't_ like is people breaking the establised rules and "beating" other riders who have played by the book. That's cheating and in sport should be punished. Doping is like taking the train instead of riding part of the course.

hippy
- I like it when riders state "I have never used performance enhancing substances"... aren't sport drinks performance enhancing?

On 2006-08-02, hippy (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

What I _don't_ like is people breaking the establised rules and
"beating" other riders who have played by the book. That's cheating and
in sport should be punished. Doping is like taking the train instead of
riding part of the course.

Just how did Maurice Garin think he was going to get away with getting
on the train in 1904?

Quoted message said:

hippy
- I like it when riders state "I have never used performance enhancing
substances"... aren't sport drinks performance enhancing?

Beer is.

--
TimC
Our goverment "invests" in roads, but "subsidises" public transport.
-- Peter Corlett (UK)