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  1. Diabetes Care. 2007 Apr 24; [Epub ahead of print]Telmisartan shows an
    equivalent effect of vitamin C in further improving endothelial
    dysfunction after glycemia normalization in type 1 diabetes.Ceriello
    A, Piconi L, Esposito K, Giugliano D.
    Centre of Exellence in Diabetes and Endocrinology, University Hospital
    of Coventry and Warwickshire, Warwick Medical School, University of
    Warwick, Coventry, U.K.

    Background: Long-lasting hyperglycemia in type 1 diabetic patients
    induces permanent alterations of endothelial function, by increased
    oxidative stress, even when glycemia is normalized. Methods and
    Results: In this study 36 type 1 diabetic patients and 12 controls
    were enrolled. The diabetic patients were divided in three groups. The
    first group was treated for 24h with insulin, achieving a near-
    normalization of glycemia. At the 12 h of this treatment vitamin C was
    added for the remaining 12h. The second group was treated for 24h with
    vitamin C. At the 12 h of this treatment insulin was started,
    achieving a near-normalization of glycemia for the remaining 12h. The
    third group was treated for 24h with both vitamin C and insulin,
    achieving near normalization of glycemia. The same protocols were run
    after 1 month of Telmisartan or placebo. Neither normalization of
    glycemia or vitamin C treatment alone was able to normalize
    endothelial dysfunction or oxidative stress. Combining insulin and
    vitamin C normalized endothelial dysfunction and decreased oxidative
    stress to normal level. Telmisartan significantly improved basal
    endothelial function and decreased nitrotyrosine plasma levels. In
    patients treated with Telmisartan a near normalization of both flow
    mediated vasodilation and oxidative stress was achieved when glycemia
    was normalized, while adding vitamin C infusion did not show further
    effect on endothelial function or nitrotyrosine plasma levels.
    Conclusions: These data indicate that combining the normalization of
    glycemia with an antioxidant can normalize endothelial function in
    type 1 diabetic patients and that Telmisartan works as antioxidant as
    vitamin C.

    PMID: 17456844 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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  2. Quoted post said:


    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    So was [censored]........

  3. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Apr 26, 10:41 am, Tunderbar <[email hidden]> wrote:


    On Apr 26, 9:10 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    So was [censored]........<<

    It is .. important .. Jesus was .. not so important .. [censored] ..

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
    http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    Man Is A Herbivore!
    http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

    DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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  4. Quoted post said:
    Quoted message said:
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    On Apr 26, 10:41 am, Tunderbar <[email hidden]> wrote:

    On Apr 26, 9:10 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    So was [censored]........<<

    It is .. important .. Jesus was .. not so important .. [censored] ..

    It is very important because Jesus was not factually a vegetarian
    while [censored] was.

  5. Tunderbar said:
    Quoted post said:
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    >On Apr 26, 10:41 am, Tunderbar <[email hidden]> wrote:

    On Apr 26, 9:10 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    So was [censored]........<<

    It is .. important .. Jesus was .. not so important .. [censored] ..

    It is very important because Jesus was not factually a vegetarian
    while [censored] was.

    you're arguing with the mentally ill.

  6. Mâck©® said:
    Tunderbar said:
    Quoted post said:

    >>On Apr 26, 10:41 am, Tunderbar <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Apr 26, 9:10 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So was [censored]........<<

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It is .. important .. Jesus was .. not so important .. [censored] ..

    Quoted message said:

    It is very important because Jesus was not factually a vegetarian
    while [censored] was.

    you're arguing with the mentally ill.

    I understand that. I just saw it as an opportunity to point out, to
    everyone, two of the most idiotic self-serving history re-writings
    currently being propagated by the nutbar vegan crowd. One being that
    Jesus was vegetarian, (yah right), and the other is their attempts to
    show that [censored] was not a vegetarian, when it has been historically
    documented without a doubt that he, in fact, was very much a
    vegetarian and sufferred the typical health problems that vegetarians
    suffer from.

    Problems like eczema which indicates a lack of healthy animal fats in
    the diet, a variety of GI problems from too much grains and not enough
    animal foods, and anxiety/depression from lack of B vitamins which are
    abundant in meats and not so abundant in a vegetarian diet.

  7. "Tunderbar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted post said:
    Quoted message said:

    >On Apr 26, 10:41 am, Tunderbar <[email hidden]> wrote:

    On Apr 26, 9:10 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    Only an idiot and one who NEVER read the bible thinks that Jesus as a
    vegetarien

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So was [censored]........<<

    It is .. important .. Jesus was .. not so important .. [censored] ..

    It is very important because Jesus was not factually a vegetarian
    while [censored] was.

  8. Vernono O' Here @there said:

    "Tunderbar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted post said:

    >>On Apr 26, 10:41 am, Tunderbar <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Apr 26, 9:10 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    Only an idiot and one who NEVER read the bible thinks that Jesus as a
    vegetarien

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So was [censored]........<<

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It is .. important .. Jesus was .. not so important .. [censored] ..

    Quoted message said:

    It is very important because Jesus was not factually a vegetarian
    while [censored] was.- Hide quoted text -

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    No [censored], sherlock. d'uh

  9. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Apr 26, 8:42 pm, Tunderbar <[email hidden]> wrote: It is very important because Jesus was not factually a vegetarian


    while [censored] was.<<

    "While .. [censored] .. WAS .."

    [censored] .. ?

    [censored] .. ?

    Now why would you say .. "[censored] was a vegetarian" .. ?

    You think this is somehow .. pertinent .. IN .. **medical**
    newsgroups .. ?

    [censored] was some sort of .. nutritionist / healer / homeopathetic .. ?

    I don't believe [censored] comes INTO .. this .. unless one is attempting
    to .. discredit .. by .. ? .. by .. ? .. ?

    "any means necessary" ..

    Heh .. heh ..

    You should actually .. raise up your .. sights .. there .. buddie ..

    Wagon ruts are usually reserved .. for .. ?

    Heh .. heh ..

    Jeez you should take the snip below and place it .. on .. your ..
    desk ..

    "That means winning in the speediest fashion, by any means necessary:
    deceit, murder, or even torture, if need be! "

    Shades .. of .. w ..

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
    http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    Man Is A Herbivore!
    http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

    DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
    http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

  10. On Apr 27, 10:06 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Apr 26, 8:42 pm, Tunderbar <[email hidden]> wrote: It is very important because Jesus was not factually a vegetarian

    while [censored] was.<<

    "While .. [censored] .. WAS .."

    [censored] .. ?

    [censored] .. ?

    Now why would you say .. "[censored] was a vegetarian" .. ?

    For.... the.... same..... reason.....that you claim that..

    Jesus..

    was..

    a..

    vegetarian..

    Why.. should I be.. limited by linear logic.. or common sense..

    when you clearly are not..

    moron..

    Quoted message said:


    You think this is somehow .. pertinent .. IN .. **medical**
    newsgroups .. ?

    [censored] was some sort of .. nutritionist / healer / homeopathetic .. ?

    I don't believe [censored] comes INTO .. this .. unless one is attempting
    to .. discredit .. by .. ? .. by .. ? .. ?

    "any means necessary" ..

    Heh .. heh ..

    You should actually .. raise up your .. sights .. there .. buddie ..

    Wagon ruts are usually reserved .. for .. ?

    Heh .. heh ..

    Jeez you should take the snip below and place it .. on .. your ..
    desk ..

    "That means winning in the speediest fashion, by any means necessary:
    deceit, murder, or even torture, if need be! "

    Shades .. of .. w ..

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

    DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

  11. On Apr 27, 11:49 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    The facts remain that Jesus was not a vegetarian. You brought it up in
    your obnoxious sig line. And since your sig makes that false and
    irrelevant statement, I thought it fair to respond with the true
    statement that [censored] was a vegetarian and showed the typical health
    problems associated with vegetarianism.

    That is why [censored] is being mentioned in a nutrition newsgroup. Last
    time I looked vegetarianism was related to nutrition. Moron.

  12. Are we forgetting Mussolini and Charlie Manson...?

    Tunderbar said:
    Quoted post said:

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    So was [censored]........

  13. "Tunderbar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Apr 27, 11:49 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    The facts remain that Jesus was not a vegetarian. You brought it up in
    your obnoxious sig line. And since your sig makes that false and
    irrelevant statement, I thought it fair to respond with the true
    statement that [censored] was a vegetarian and showed the typical health
    problems associated with vegetarianism.

    That is why [censored] is being mentioned in a nutrition newsgroup. Last
    time I looked vegetarianism was related to nutrition. Moron.

    Iron just has zero knowledge of the bible.

    He doesn't know the absolute requirements of the Passover meal or of fish in
    the bible.

  14. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Apr 27, 9:56 am, Tunderbar <[email hidden]> wrote: The facts remain that Jesus was not a vegetarian. <<

    http://www.mysticmissal.org/cathars.htm

    These fellows believed they had found the .. true teachings of
    Christ ..

    Whoever these fellows .. were / are ..

    Soooo .. some people OTHER than YOU .. have come to the conclusion ..
    "FACTS" .. are subject .. TO .. subjugation .. IE: beatings and
    torture and .. sort of like the .. "any means necessary" .. tack ..

    If someone pours hot lead down YOUR throat for refusing to kill a
    chicken .. then maybe you TO .. would become a meat .. eater ..

    But then again we have already established you to BE ..
    a .. ? .. ? .. ?

    Heh .. heh ..

    So evidence based .. you .. would fold like a cheap .. suit ..

    No .. 300 .. sht for .. you .. eh ..

    Heh .. heh ..

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
    http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    Man Is A Herbivore!
    http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

  15. Jesus ate meat in all the gospels, even those parts of them those below
    accepted:

    http://www.mysticmissal.org/cathars.htm

    "These fellows believed they had found the .. true teachings of Christ
    ...

    Whoever these fellows .. were / are .."

    From the above url:

    "and only used the New Testament, particularly the Book of
    John"

    In John Jesus did the multiplication of the fishes and loaves to feed
    the crowd and caused to be caught a full net of fish, afterwhich He and
    His followers sat down to a breakfast of fish and bread. Using John the
    true teachings of the above group would also teach that Jesus ate meat.

  16. On Apr 28, 11:03 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Apr 27, 9:56 am, Tunderbar <[email hidden]> wrote: The facts remain that Jesus was not a vegetarian. <<

    http://www.mysticmissal.org/cathars.htm

    These fellows believed they had found the .. true teachings of
    Christ ..

    Whoever these fellows .. were / are ..

    Soooo .. some people OTHER than YOU .. have come to the conclusion ..
    "FACTS" .. are subject .. TO .. subjugation .. IE: beatings and
    torture and .. sort of like the .. "any means necessary" .. tack ..

    If someone pours hot lead down YOUR throat for refusing to kill a
    chicken .. then maybe you TO .. would become a meat .. eater ..

    But then again we have already established you to BE ..
    a .. ? .. ? .. ?

    Heh .. heh ..

    So evidence based .. you .. would fold like a cheap .. suit ..

    No .. 300 .. sht for .. you .. eh ..

    Heh .. heh ..

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

    [censored] was a vegetarian.

  17. "Tunderbar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Apr 28, 11:03 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >On Apr 27, 9:56 am, Tunderbar <[email hidden]> wrote: The facts
    >remain that Jesus was not a vegetarian. <<

    http://www.mysticmissal.org/cathars.htm

    These fellows believed they had found the .. true teachings of
    Christ ..

    Whoever these fellows .. were / are ..

    Soooo .. some people OTHER than YOU .. have come to the conclusion ..
    "FACTS" .. are subject .. TO .. subjugation .. IE: beatings and
    torture and .. sort of like the .. "any means necessary" .. tack ..

    If someone pours hot lead down YOUR throat for refusing to kill a
    chicken .. then maybe you TO .. would become a meat .. eater ..

    But then again we have already established you to BE ..
    a .. ? .. ? .. ?

    Heh .. heh ..

    So evidence based .. you .. would fold like a cheap .. suit ..

    No .. 300 .. sht for .. you .. eh ..

    Heh .. heh ..

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

    Quoted message said:

    [censored] was a vegetarian.

    BOY is THAT important to the world>

    WHHOOOOOEEEEE

  18. Tunderbar said:

    [censored] was a vegetarian.-

    Many historians believe he was a sometimes vegetarian. I read that he
    secretly ate meat, as reported by a cook who had to prepare it for
    him. Of course, this came out after his death. No one would have
    dared to contradict [censored] when he was in power.

    As for Jesus, he ate meat in several of the accepted Gospels, most
    notably in the miracle of the loaves and fishes. However, the Iron
    Troll has found a secret code in the Bible, or maybe it's in gospels
    that got the red pen when the Bible as we now know it was put
    together.

    But I see that ole Rusty has resorted to his usual tactics. When
    confronted by anyone who disagrees with him, he tries to win the
    argument by shouting down and insulting the person.

    Which, of couse, makes him look like the moron he truly is.

    Brindal

  19. ironjustice said:

    So how does it .. **feel** to BE the .. [censored] ..

    One guy .. does a great deal of .. work .. and discovers what he
    believes to be .. a .. message .. not .. making it up .. he just found
    a .. message ..

    Tell us. How does it feel to be truly stupid? Once again, you have
    made an ass of yourself.

    When the men in the white coats come for you, go quietly and don't
    tell them about your messages.

    Brindal

  20. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Apr 29, 4:07 pm, Brindal <[email hidden]> wrote:Once again, you have


    made an ass of yourself.

    When the men in the white coats come for you, go quietly and don't
    tell them about your messages. <<

    sci.med.nutrition, sci.med, misc.health.alternative,
    alt.support.diabetes, misc.health.diabetes

    You see the groups these are placed .. in .. ?

    You have any comments about .. any .. of the subjects .. above .. ?

    You have .. any .. comments about .. ascorbate .. ?

    That is vitamin C .. since you don't .. know ..

    Sooo .. your .. 'contribution' TO this thread .. is the attacking of
    ME .. twice ..

    Heh .. heh ..

    That would almost be .. like .. Tunderbar and his attacking of ..
    Jesus .. using .. [censored] ..

    How come I ain't surprised your contribution is one of ..
    **pussiness** .. ?

    Because you so proudly .. proclaim .. "I have no .. balls .. " ..

    Heh .. heh ..

    Maybe sometime in the .. future .. you TOO will be able to .. tell
    someone to .. "sck my dck" .. but until .. then ..

    Just stay the FK .. away from .. ME ..

    I have no use .. for .. stupidity .. or .. pussies ..

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
    http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    Man Is A Herbivore!
    http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

    DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
    http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

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