ASL Incomplete (?) markings

charles said:

Near (South London) Oval Underground station the ASL on the Southbound
section of the Kennington Road, at the set of traffic lights before
the Camberwell Rd and Harleyford Street lights, stops at the cycle
lane right edge white line rather than continue (as I would first
expect) right up to the curb.

Is this just sloppy marking, or does the "motor car/bike exclusion
zone" actually extend into the six sided perimeter of the combined
cycle lane and motor exclusion zone (i.e. a sort of "b" shape), giving
in effect a two stage ASL?

(I apologise for the awkward wording of this post)

Like this?

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It sounds like sloppy marking and reading of the
instructions. i.e. they have read that the first line
should not protrude into the cycle lane, and they assumed
the same was true for the second.

However sometimes you do get staggered stop lines and
traffic lights, depending upon junction design.

charles said:

Near (South London) Oval Underground station the ASL on the Southbound
section of the Kennington Road, at the set of traffic lights before
the Camberwell Rd and Harleyford Street lights, stops at the cycle
lane right edge white line rather than continue (as I would first
expect) right up to the curb.

This set of lights?
http://tinyurl.com/3cqflh leads to
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=skdf6rgzqnhr&style=o&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=12462416&encType=1

Quoted message said:

Is this just sloppy marking<snip>?

I think it's just sloppy marking. There is another case at the
junction of Camberwell New Road and Kennington Lane outside St Marks
Church where there is no ASL the cycle lane is only one metre wide and
hugs the kerb so it leads round the corner and the stop line does not
extend into it.

http://tinyurl.com/27w6fx leads to
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=skd8pjgzqjyp&style=o&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=12462380&encType=1

The light sequence at that junction is an accident waiting to happen
too. The right turns off Kennington Lane have separate lights and they
go before the straight ahead and it is regular occurence for the
straight ahead traffic to jump the lights.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

In message <[email hidden]>
Martin Dann <[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

Like this?

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Yes (sorry, I hadn't thouht of ASCII art)

Quoted message said:

It sounds like sloppy marking and reading of the
instructions.

I looked for the marking regulations but failed to find them.

Quoted message said:

However sometimes you do get staggered stop lines and
traffic lights, depending upon junction design.

So it is actually dangerous and confusing. I should report it to the
Mayor, I presume.

--
Charles
Brompton P-type T6 in Motspur Park
LCC; CTC.

In message <[email hidden]>

Phil Cook said:

charles wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Near (South London) Oval Underground station the ASL on the Southbound
section of the Kennington Road, at the set of traffic lights before
the Camberwell Rd and Harleyford Street lights, stops at the cycle
lane right edge white line rather than continue (as I would first
expect) right up to the curb.

Quoted message said:

This set of lights?
http://tinyurl.com/3cqflh leads to
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=skdf6rgzqnhr&style=o&lvl=2&t
ilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=12462416&encType=1

Yes! Thanks, Phil.

(How do you do that? Care to let me know off urc?)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Is this just sloppy marking<snip>?

Quoted message said:

I think it's just sloppy marking. There is another case at the
junction of Camberwell New Road and Kennington Lane outside St Marks
Church where there is no ASL the cycle lane is only one metre wide and
hugs the kerb so it leads round the corner and the stop line does not
extend into it.

Quoted message said:

http://tinyurl.com/27w6fx leads to
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=skd8pjgzqjyp&style=o&lvl=2&t
ilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=12462380&encType=1

Quoted message said:

The light sequence at that junction is an accident waiting to happen
too. The right turns off Kennington Lane have separate lights and they
go before the straight ahead and it is regular occurence for the
straight ahead traffic to jump the lights.

So what is the best way to report and log publically these problems?

--
Charles
Brompton P-type T6 in Motspur Park
LCC; CTC.

Quoted message said:

In message <[email hidden]>
Phil Cook <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

This set of lights?
http://tinyurl.com/3cqflh leads to
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=skdf6rgzqnhr&style=o&lvl=2&t
ilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=12462416&encType=1

Yes! Thanks, Phil.

(How do you do that? Care to let me know off urc?)

I live round the corner and have a microlight. No, seriously, go to
http://local.live.com and zoom in to where you want to be. Built up
areas have the bird's eye view. Click on the icon with the buildings
below the map icon and you get an oblique aerial view. You can then
look at it from different directions using the compass. To share a use
the view menu. view > view permalink.

I also had a look in Google earth but the aerial photography is better
on local.live.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"