Aspartame is evil

Yeah. It usually triggers a migraine for me. I was on a long distance
walk one day, ran out of, water and could only find regular, or diet
soda to drink. I figured it would be the lesser of two evils to drink
the diet soda. I got an immediate and severe migraine.

I am a diabetic and I have gotten used to small amounts of
aspartame/splenda/etc in low fat "light" yogurt but I don't push it.

In addition to making me sick, artificial sweetners all taste like
chemicals.

I have just changed my relationship to food. I am a fine race car and I
only put quality fuel in my engine. Fruit is good fuel, good carbs,
high fiber bread, even lean meats are OK. Once I detoxed my body of
sugary starchy foods I didn't even want to eat them anymore.

Small amounts of sugar, especially fruit sugar, is OK. Sugar in itself
is not toxic, even if you are diabetic. The Kashi cereals and bars are
a good example. I can eat these without my raising my blood sugar.

nimue said:

I had a very frightening experience with aspartame and I wanted to recount
it here. I know that not everyone responds to aspartame the way I did, but
in case someone has, this could be helpful. The day before yesterday, I had
some diet coke. I haven't had diet coke in years and years and years. That
night, I had some severe leg cramps, which I rarely get. I thought it might
have something to do with Atkins, so I googled for information. Then,
yesterday, I had 2 little jellos made with aspartame. I have never eaten
"diet" food before. I was always of the mind that if I wanted sweets, I
would eat sweets. Well, I got an attack of severe vertigo. It was so
scary. Now, this IS a problem I have had and I have been able to get it
under control. I learned the triggers and it hasn't happened in years. But
last night I just lay on my bed, hoping I wouldn't have to go to the
bathroom because getting there would have been so difficult (I didn't have
to). Today I have been recovering the way I do after a vertigo attack.
When something goes wrong with me, I look to what I have eaten and what I
have done out of the ordinary. I didn't do anything out of the ordinary,
but I did eat aspartame-containing products. My reaction last night was so
severe and so frightening and so, well, not linked to any of my known
triggers that I am convinced it was the aspartame. I can tell you now that,
given a choice, I would rather smoke crack (not that I ever have, but I hear
it's pretty bad for you) than touch aspartame ever, ever again. If you
don't have problems with aspartame, good for you! Continue to take it. But
if you are feeling icky, you might want to look to aspartame as the cause.
I also read somewhere (I can't prove this) that it's sometimes called
"natural flavoring" in food. Scary. I just wanted to share my experience.

--
nimue

"As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than
I have read."
Betty Bowers

Assuming your story is true, and the effects were in fact due to
aspartame, how does that make Aspartmame evil? Aspartame has been
used by hundreds of millions. If it were that evil and caused the
effects that you say happened to you in even 1% of people, there would
be a hell of a lot of sick folks around.

As a side note, I don't take seriously people that are so full of
themselves that they need to add a canned political slam directed at
half the people in this country to every post they make.

Quoted message said:

nimue said:

I had a very frightening experience with aspartame and I wanted to
recount it here. I know that not everyone responds to aspartame the
way I did, but in case someone has, this could be helpful. The day
before yesterday, I had some diet coke. I haven't had diet coke in
years and years and years. That night, I had some severe leg
cramps, which I rarely get. I thought it might have something to do
with Atkins, so I googled for information. Then, yesterday, I had 2
little jellos made with aspartame. I have never eaten "diet" food
before. I was always of the mind that if I wanted sweets, I would
eat sweets. Well, I got an attack of severe vertigo. It was so
scary. Now, this IS a problem I have had and I have been able to
get it under control. I learned the triggers and it hasn't happened
in years. But last night I just lay on my bed, hoping I wouldn't
have to go to the bathroom because getting there would have been so
difficult (I didn't have to). Today I have been recovering the way
I do after a vertigo attack. When something goes wrong with me, I
look to what I have eaten and what I have done out of the ordinary.
I didn't do anything out of the ordinary, but I did eat
aspartame-containing products. My reaction last night was so severe
and so frightening and so, well, not linked to any of my known
triggers that I am convinced it was the aspartame. I can tell you
now that, given a choice, I would rather smoke crack (not that I
ever have, but I hear it's pretty bad for you) than touch aspartame
ever, ever again. If you don't have problems with aspartame, good
for you! Continue to take it. But if you are feeling icky, you
might want to look to aspartame as the cause. I also read somewhere
(I can't prove this) that it's sometimes called "natural flavoring"
in food. Scary. I just wanted to share my experience.

--
nimue

"As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more
books than I have read."
Betty Bowers

Assuming your story is true,

Uh, why would I lie? That's what happened. You can google nimue and
vertigo and you will see this is a problem I have battled.

Quoted message said:

and the effects were in fact due to
aspartame, how does that make Aspartmame evil?

It sure is for me. I made it clear in my post that not everyone reacts to
it as I do.

Quoted message said:

Aspartame has been
used by hundreds of millions. If it were that evil and caused the
effects that you say happened to you in even 1% of people, there would
be a hell of a lot of sick folks around.

Actually, a google search will show you that there are a lot of sick folks
who blame their illness on aspartame -- their illnesses cleared up once they
stopped using aspartame-containing products. Here's a link.
http://allergies.about.com/library/uc/uc-aspartame.htm I don't know if
aspartame is the cause of these people's problems, but I know they think it
is.

Quoted message said:

As a side note, I don't take seriously people that are so full of
themselves that they need to add a canned

Canned? How so?

Quoted message said:

political slam directed at
half the people in this country to every post they make.

Whatever. It might benefit you try to learn something, no matter what your
opinion is of the politics of the source. Aspartame is hardly a political
topic. Just because I like the character Betty Bowers and "her" searing,
sarcastic, brilliant wit and agree with "her" politics doesn't mean that my
experiences don't have value or that you couldn't learn from them.
http://www.bettybowers.com/

--
nimue

"As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books
than I have read." Betty Bowers

nimue wrote:
:: I also read somewhere
:: (I can't prove this) that it's sometimes called "natural flavoring"
:: in food. Scary. I just wanted to share my experience.

http://www.nomsg.com/sources.html

Just FYI.

Roger Zoul said:

nimue said:

Quoted message said:

I also read somewhere
(I can't prove this) that it's sometimes called "natural flavoring"
in food. Scary. I just wanted to share my experience.

http://www.nomsg.com/sources.html

Just FYI.

Thank you so much. I will also share this with my brother, who has problems
with MSG.

--
nimue

"As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books
than I have read." Betty Bowers

I don't question your sincerity at all. I am sure you are speaking
the truth as you see it.

However, I do question your intelligence.

There are currently over 100 million 'subjects' drinking 2 or more
diet coke a day and they have been doing this for up to 25 years,
without any harmful effects whatsoever. I think that pretty well
proves that diet coke is probably one of the safest products that
humans consume.

But, then you come along with your test population of 1 and prove
that this product is evil.

Wonder who is evil, here?

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 20:00:41 GMT, "nimue" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I had a very frightening experience with aspartame and I wanted to recount
it here. I know that not everyone responds to aspartame the way I did, but
in case someone has, this could be helpful. The day before yesterday, I had
some diet coke. I haven't had diet coke in years and years and years. That
night, I had some severe leg cramps, which I rarely get. I thought it might
have something to do with Atkins, so I googled for information. Then,
yesterday, I had 2 little jellos made with aspartame. I have never eaten
"diet" food before. I was always of the mind that if I wanted sweets, I
would eat sweets. Well, I got an attack of severe vertigo. It was so
scary. Now, this IS a problem I have had and I have been able to get it
under control. I learned the triggers and it hasn't happened in years. But
last night I just lay on my bed, hoping I wouldn't have to go to the
bathroom because getting there would have been so difficult (I didn't have
to). Today I have been recovering the way I do after a vertigo attack.
When something goes wrong with me, I look to what I have eaten and what I
have done out of the ordinary. I didn't do anything out of the ordinary,
but I did eat aspartame-containing products. My reaction last night was so
severe and so frightening and so, well, not linked to any of my known
triggers that I am convinced it was the aspartame. I can tell you now that,
given a choice, I would rather smoke crack (not that I ever have, but I hear
it's pretty bad for you) than touch aspartame ever, ever again. If you
don't have problems with aspartame, good for you! Continue to take it. But
if you are feeling icky, you might want to look to aspartame as the cause.
I also read somewhere (I can't prove this) that it's sometimes called
"natural flavoring" in food. Scary. I just wanted to share my experience.

It's evil the way peanuts are evil, selectively.

In news:[email hidden],
JimL <[email hidden]> stated
| I don't question your sincerity at all. I am sure you are speaking
| the truth as you see it.
|
| However, I do question your intelligence.
|
| There are currently over 100 million 'subjects' drinking 2 or more
| diet coke a day and they have been doing this for up to 25 years,
| without any harmful effects whatsoever. I think that pretty well
| proves that diet coke is probably one of the safest products that
| humans consume.
|
| But, then you come along with your test population of 1 and prove
| that this product is evil.
|
| Wonder who is evil, here?
|

FOB said:

It's evil the way peanuts are evil, selectively.

I know you're being funny, but that's pretty much what I said. Not everyone
has a problem with everything, but stuff that causes you to get ill can seem
pretty darn evil. I, thank god, don't have a problem with peanuts, but I
have known people who do and it's just dreadful.

Quoted message said:

In news:[email hidden],
JimL <[email hidden]> stated

Quoted message said:

I don't question your sincerity at all. I am sure you are speaking
the truth as you see it.

However, I do question your intelligence.

There are currently over 100 million 'subjects' drinking 2 or more
diet coke a day and they have been doing this for up to 25 years,
without any harmful effects whatsoever. I think that pretty well
proves that diet coke is probably one of the safest products that
humans consume.

But, then you come along with your test population of 1 and prove
that this product is evil.

Wonder who is evil, here?

--
nimue

"As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books
than I have read." Betty Bowers

nimue said:

FOB said:

It's evil the way peanuts are evil, selectively.

I know you're being funny, but that's pretty much what I said. Not everyone
has a problem with everything, but stuff that causes you to get ill can seem
pretty darn evil. I, thank god, don't have a problem with peanuts, but I
have known people who do and it's just dreadful.

I don't see what's "being funny" about it. And, of course, it agrees
with your comments. A few people have problem with aspartame as a few
have problem with peanuts... or milk products... or gluten...

We each have to figure out what works best for ourselves.

For me, aspartame does not seem to cause problems. It's so much
cheaper than sucralose (being off patent), so I use it for my coffee.

I personally think sugar alcohols are much worse than aspartame. I
don't eat them.

Unlike one of the posters earlier in this thread, I cannot tolerate
even tiny portions of grains without my bg shooting through the roof,
so I don't eat grains.

Diet is not one-size-fits-all.

OK, so here is what my experience is...I love aspartame...I use it every
day, sometimes in huge amounts. I have never had a reaction from it, I
have never gained weight because of it, I have never failed to lose
weight because of it, and I just plain like it. I'm not afraid of it,
and I think aspartame is my friend. YMMV :-)

--
Cheri

nimue wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

I had a very frightening experience with aspartame and I wanted to

recount

Quoted message said:

it here. I know that not everyone responds to aspartame the way I did,

but

Quoted message said:

in case someone has, this could be helpful. The day before yesterday,

I had

Quoted message said:

some diet coke. I haven't had diet coke in years and years and years.

That

solaris-noob said:

Yeah. It usually triggers a migraine for me. I was on a long distance
walk one day, ran out of, water and could only find regular, or diet
soda to drink. I figured it would be the lesser of two evils to drink
the diet soda. I got an immediate and severe migraine.

I am a diabetic and I have gotten used to small amounts of
aspartame/splenda/etc in low fat "light" yogurt but I don't push it.

In addition to making me sick, artificial sweetners all taste like
chemicals.

I have just changed my relationship to food. I am a fine race car and I
only put quality fuel in my engine. Fruit is good fuel, good carbs,
high fiber bread, even lean meats are OK. Once I detoxed my body of
sugary starchy foods I didn't even want to eat them anymore.

Small amounts of sugar, especially fruit sugar, is OK. Sugar in itself
is not toxic, even if you are diabetic. The Kashi cereals and bars are
a good example. I can eat these without my raising my blood sugar.

Me too (with the migraines.) At least the migraine reaction is
documented. The only reason
I ever figured this out is that once I went on Nutrasystem. After a
week on that diet (all the
food was packaged), I was laid up with a week long migraine. I quit
the diet, and the
migraine quit too. They told me when I was cancelling my contract that
OTHER people
had cancelled for a similar reason--and I had no problem cancelling the
contract.

I still have an occasional nutra sweet flavored soda. Keyword OCCASIONAL. My
reaction is not severe as some. For what it is worth, I do have at
least one other
migraine trigger. For a long time, I thought it was shrimp, but it
wasn't. It's horse-
radish. (It's an ingredient in cocktail sauce served with shrimp.) So, I avoid
horseradish and nutrasweet whenever possible.

YMMV

"nimue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

snipped< frightening experience with aspartame >

I am so sorry you had that awful experience and I am pleased you are
recovering.

I also read somewhere (I can't prove this) that it's sometimes called

Quoted message said:

"natural flavoring" in food. Scary>

I don't eat processed foods and therefore never have this 'natural
flavouring'

It sounds to me that you would be much better eating real food too.

O

Scotland

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

nimue said:

I had a very frightening experience with aspartame and I wanted to
recount
it here. I know that not everyone responds to aspartame the way I did,
but
in case someone has, this could be helpful. The day before yesterday, I
had
some diet coke. I haven't had diet coke in years and years and years.
That
night, I had some severe leg cramps, which I rarely get. I thought it
might
have something to do with Atkins, so I googled for information. Then,
yesterday, I had 2 little jellos made with aspartame. I have never eaten
"diet" food before. I was always of the mind that if I wanted sweets, I
would eat sweets. Well, I got an attack of severe vertigo. It was so
scary. Now, this IS a problem I have had and I have been able to get it
under control. I learned the triggers and it hasn't happened in years.
But
last night I just lay on my bed, hoping I wouldn't have to go to the
bathroom because getting there would have been so difficult (I didn't
have
to). Today I have been recovering the way I do after a vertigo attack.
When something goes wrong with me, I look to what I have eaten and what I
have done out of the ordinary. I didn't do anything out of the ordinary,
but I did eat aspartame-containing products. My reaction last night was
so
severe and so frightening and so, well, not linked to any of my known
triggers that I am convinced it was the aspartame. I can tell you now
that,
given a choice, I would rather smoke crack (not that I ever have, but I
hear
it's pretty bad for you) than touch aspartame ever, ever again. If you
don't have problems with aspartame, good for you! Continue to take it.
But
if you are feeling icky, you might want to look to aspartame as the
cause.
I also read somewhere (I can't prove this) that it's sometimes called
"natural flavoring" in food. Scary. I just wanted to share my
experience.

--
nimue

"As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books
than
I have read."
Betty Bowers

Assuming your story is true, and the effects were in fact due to
aspartame, how does that make Aspartmame evil? Aspartame has been
used by hundreds of millions. If it were that evil and caused the
effects that you say happened to you in even 1% of people, there would
be a hell of a lot of sick folks around.

I take it you didn't read it properly.

nemue wrote:

"I know that not everyone responds to aspartame the way I did, but

Quoted message said:

in case someone has, this could be helpful."

Ophelia

Quoted message said:

nimue said:

FOB said:

It's evil the way peanuts are evil, selectively.

I know you're being funny, but that's pretty much what I said. Not
everyone has a problem with everything, but stuff that causes you to
get ill can seem pretty darn evil. I, thank god, don't have a
problem with peanuts, but I have known people who do and it's just
dreadful.

I don't see what's "being funny" about it.

The way he wrote it -- his sentence structure and the repetition of the
word "evil" -- that's supposed to be, if not funny, then wryfully amusing.

Quoted message said:

And, of course, it agrees
with your comments. A few people have problem with aspartame as a few
have problem with peanuts... or milk products... or gluten...

A lot more people have problems with gluten than know they have problems
with gluten. I have celiac, so this is something I know about. I want to
grab everyone who has been diagnosed with IBS and say -- get tested for
celiac!

Quoted message said:

We each have to figure out what works best for ourselves.

Very true.

Quoted message said:

For me, aspartame does not seem to cause problems.

I am glad to hear that.

Quoted message said:

It's so much
cheaper than sucralose (being off patent), so I use it for my coffee.

I personally think sugar alcohols are much worse than aspartame. I
don't eat them.

Unlike one of the posters earlier in this thread, I cannot tolerate
even tiny portions of grains without my bg shooting through the roof,
so I don't eat grains.

Diet is not one-size-fits-all.

Neither are those freaking clothes that carry that label.

--
nimue

"As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books
than I have read." Betty Bowers

Cheri said:

OK, so here is what my experience is...I love aspartame...I use it
every day, sometimes in huge amounts. I have never had a reaction
from it, I have never gained weight because of it, I have never
failed to lose weight because of it, and I just plain like it. I'm
not afraid of it, and I think aspartame is my friend. YMMV :-)

You're a lucky gal!

Quoted message said:

nimue wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

I had a very frightening experience with aspartame and I wanted to
recount it here. I know that not everyone responds to aspartame the
way I did, but in case someone has, this could be helpful. The day
before yesterday, I had some diet coke. I haven't had diet coke in
years and years and years. That

--
nimue

"As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books
than I have read." Betty Bowers

Ophelia said:

"nimue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

snipped< frightening experience with aspartame >

I am so sorry you had that awful experience and I am pleased you are
recovering.

I also read somewhere (I can't prove this) that it's sometimes called

Quoted message said:

"natural flavoring" in food. Scary>

I don't eat processed foods and therefore never have this 'natural
flavouring'

It sounds to me that you would be much better eating real food too.

O

I believe you are correct.

Quoted message said:

Scotland

--
nimue

"As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books
than I have read." Betty Bowers

Ophelia said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

nimue said:

I had a very frightening experience with aspartame and I wanted to
recount
it here. I know that not everyone responds to aspartame the way I
did, but
in case someone has, this could be helpful. The day before
yesterday, I had
some diet coke. I haven't had diet coke in years and years and
years. That
night, I had some severe leg cramps, which I rarely get. I thought
it might
have something to do with Atkins, so I googled for information.
Then, yesterday, I had 2 little jellos made with aspartame. I have
never eaten "diet" food before. I was always of the mind that if I
wanted sweets, I would eat sweets. Well, I got an attack of severe
vertigo. It was so scary. Now, this IS a problem I have had and I
have been able to get it under control. I learned the triggers and
it hasn't happened in years. But
last night I just lay on my bed, hoping I wouldn't have to go to the
bathroom because getting there would have been so difficult (I
didn't have
to). Today I have been recovering the way I do after a vertigo
attack. When something goes wrong with me, I look to what I have
eaten and what I have done out of the ordinary. I didn't do
anything out of the ordinary, but I did eat aspartame-containing
products. My reaction last night was so
severe and so frightening and so, well, not linked to any of my
known triggers that I am convinced it was the aspartame. I can
tell you now that,
given a choice, I would rather smoke crack (not that I ever have,
but I hear
it's pretty bad for you) than touch aspartame ever, ever again. If
you don't have problems with aspartame, good for you! Continue to
take it. But
if you are feeling icky, you might want to look to aspartame as the
cause.
I also read somewhere (I can't prove this) that it's sometimes
called "natural flavoring" in food. Scary. I just wanted to share
my experience.

--
nimue

"As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more
books than
I have read."
Betty Bowers

Assuming your story is true, and the effects were in fact due to
aspartame, how does that make Aspartmame evil? Aspartame has been
used by hundreds of millions. If it were that evil and caused the
effects that you say happened to you in even 1% of people, there
would be a hell of a lot of sick folks around.

I take it you didn't read it properly.

nemue wrote:

"I know that not everyone responds to aspartame the way I did, but

Quoted message said:

in case someone has, this could be helpful."

Thank you, Ophelia!

Quoted message said:

Ophelia

--
nimue

"As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books
than I have read." Betty Bowers

nimue wrote:

Please provide the reference for your claim that aspartame is sometimes
in a product but listed as" natural flavoring."

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

nimue wrote:

Please provide the reference for your claim that aspartame is sometimes
in a product but listed as" natural flavoring."

Roger already did🙂

http://www.nomsg.com/sources.html