Attention All Fireball Users!

It takes some time to get used to the new tyre!
Remember how hard it was to ride stright when you were a newbie? 🙂

Put a little higher pressure in it, and just ride ride ride! 🙂

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If the pressure is too high then sometimes it gets squirley. I read
somewhere here that some tires are defected sort of and pull to one
side.

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either too much or not enough air would be my two guesses.

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I just went through the same thing as I put a Kenda 2.1 knobby on my
Torker LX--lots harder to ride. I tried high pressure and low
pressure, had trouble with both. It seems the tire doesn't want to
come out of turns easily and I end up fighting it. Maybe it's because
I am riding it on a paved surface instead of on dirt, but, I put the
original tire back on the uni for street riding. It seems to be a lot
more stable no matter what the pressure. I had the same experience
when I bought an off-the-shelf knobby for my 24" at a chain store--it
didn't ride well and increased the effort needed to stay on. Anybody
know of a real winner knobby for 24"? I'd like to put on a tire with a
bit more flotation but I don't want to have to fight it.

I do not notice a similar issue when I change from the Kenda that came
on my KH29er, to the Big Apple I use on the street. Must just be the
design of the tire and how it interacts with the street.

Carey

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It's one of the really bizarre things that just seems to happen. I got
this once or twice with a new muni I put together. I just kept riding
it and soon it felt normal again. I think I started a thread about it
back in 2002, if you can be bothered searching. It may be hard to
find. The problem should resolve itself soon.

Andrew

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Victory said:

I just bought myself a brand new Dyno Fireball for my Qu-Ax muni and am
having a problem with it.
When riding straight it pulls to one side or another so I find myself
constantly correcting(twisting body/waving arms) which is tireing and
not fun. Out of all the threads I found most of you guys like it and
say it's a great tire for a 24" street machine. I thought it could be
a pressure issue but today I tried all different pressure setting and
I'm getting the same results.

- What could I be doing wrong?

I have a 24" wide frame uni that came with the Dyno Fireball tire. Just
last week I took it off and went to a knobby 24x3 duro wildlife
leopard. I noticed an immediate improvenent in the way it handles both
on and off road. The handling problem I believe has to do with the wide
oval automotive style tread surface. Using the camber of the wheel to
steer depends on the tire having a round cross section. Lowering the
tire pressue will only give the tire an even more oval cross section,
making it pull more.
I first found this out when I first was experimenting last year with
the 20x4 1/4" Stingray wheel and tire on a uni. I found that they tend
to steer down the camber of the road and the best way to ride is to
keep the frame upright and steer by twisting the tire, scrub-steering,
instead of trying to steer by leaning.

If you are going for looks, learning to ride the fireball will just
take some adjustments in your riding style, If you are about doing
serious off road riding you may want to switch back to the knobby.

oops I just went out to the garage and looked, I actually have the 24x3
Kenda Flame tire, but they are both made along the same design. so the
information above should still be fairly accurate.

Al

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Hmm ....
- lleberg and andrew_carter say I'll get used to it and it'll go away

- Carey and al_lieffring say that's just how those tires ride

as for the defected tire pulling to one side it doesn't pull to any
particular side it just seems that it can't ride without being tipped.

- from the sounds of it it seems that I'll be able to get used to the
way it rides but it'll never perform the way the duro wildlife does...
even on street.

Thanks for the comments guys

Is there anyone out there that likes the fireball and wants to defend
it's reputation? there has to be someone...

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Victory said:

Is there anyone out there that likes the fireball and wants to defend
it's reputation? there has to be someone...

The Fireball doesn't need anyone to defend its reputation; it just
looks so pimpy and rides so smoothly that its reputation is beyond
question. It is a bit of a sod when riding on a cambered surface; it's
a very square tyre with fairly solid edges to it, so this is to be
expected. But then you do a little hop and it makes that little noise
that's half squeak and half chirp and you don't care that you can't
turn corners, because the tyre just sounds so ace.

There is a definite sweet spot between too much pressure, where the
square profile makes things difficult, and too little pressure, where
the thin sidewalls make the tyre squirmy, but when you find it you'll
love the tyre for generally being ace.

Phil

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phil said:

you'll love the tyre for generally being ace.

Update:
After going for a 3k ride on dry asfault to try and adjust to it I
ended still tipping and fighting with it...
I agree the squeak, style, smooth ride, and look is all ace but I'm
going to hang it on the wall for now as I do enough distance riding and
can't be fighting it the whole way. I'll give it a try again once I
become a more seasoned rider.

Thanks for all the replies.

- Anthony

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Update:

Three months later I decide to give it a try again... guess what? I
like it now and don't have a problem with it at all. I have complete
control over it as I would the duro but now I have a smooth ride and a
swank look.

I did find the cause of the problem though:

- Now that the asphault and ground is warm along with the rubber on
the tire not being froze there is enough friction that feels normal.
When I was trying to ride in the winter the asphault and rubber were
cold and there was no friction which made it very difficult to ride. My
duro was fine cause of the off road tread caused enough traction even
with the cold rubber and cold road... when riding the other day when it
was cold and raining I could feel the tire acting just like it did in
the winter which only confirmed my theory.

I'm glad I'm finally able to use and enjoy this tire. 🙂

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I restled with this problem for ages and tried several tyres from
aggresive knobbly to smooth, my usual route has lots of road camber
aswell as off-road.

If you want a really good general purpose tyre for on and off road get
a Holy Roller, Mikefule recomended it and I now have it on my 24" and
26" and if they made a 29" I would get one for my next project too.

It eliminates sideways creep on a camber, has enough tread for
off-road, and looks cool. It's only 2.4 but the weight saving gives
better manouvrabiltiy if you ask me.

Andy

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The Fireball and similar tyres are *very* fussy about tyre pressure.
There is a very narrow range of tyre pressure where the tyre rides
well. Too much pressure and the tyre has no hop and you might as well
be riding a skinny tyre. Too low of pressure and the tyre is difficult
to turn and difficult to control on cambered surfaces. You have a
range of about 2 psi (+/- a bit) where the tyre is at its best.

You can't ride that tyre with low bouncy tyre pressure like you can
with a Gazz or similar DH tyre. The tyre just won't behave at low
pressure like that. So pump it up and get used to hopping with less
bounce in the tyre.

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Just keep riding, you'll get used to it and wont lean anymore.

It may also be if your didn't install the tire on right, you could have
some of the bead of the tire not aligned right causing a slight
alteration in your tire, causing you to lean or experience a bump in
your riding.

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I have one on my muni, no problem at all.

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It's amazing how many people only read the first post then reply without
reading the rest!

The only reason I dug up this old thread was to say how I _don't_ have
a problem anymore.(post #11)

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I know it's a old treath but I want to say a few words about this tire.
I have it on my uni 3 days now.
The first day when I road it, it felt wierd.
It rides wierd on slopes and in chambers.
But today it felt normal.
And the tire must be at the right presure: not to hard not to soft.
But all by all it's a fine tire:
-cool look 😎
-good grip
-cool sound when you land or jump
-turns great
-you learn beter to jump (because you have almost no bounce)
-cool look 😎 (o I said it twice :p)

And by the way, if Kris Holm trialed with it, it must be a good tire.😄

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