Available Clinical Trials

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Subject: Re: Available Clinical Trials
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 5/26/2004 6:16 PM Pacific Standard Time
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>Subject: Re: Available Clinical Trials
>From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
>Date: 5/26/2004 3:42 PM Pacific Standard Time
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>"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 26, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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>>> Is that the norm? For participants to pay for a clinical trial, as

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>>> the Burzynski trials require?
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>>Participants in clinical trials are often compensated for their

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>>I did not find one trial on this site, other than the Burzynski ones,

that

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>>requires the participant to pay for medical care.
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>>Perhaps the experts can chime in.
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>I heard an advertisement on the radio this week looking for
>participants in a clinical trial. They were going to get free
>medication plus compensation.
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>remember that Burzynski's "medical/clinical services" don't come
>cheap. Sell the house.

Do tell us which ones come cheap???

The ones provided to subjects in legitimate clinical trials.

Such as?? Your anser is very vague.

Let's put it this way, visit the website which is listed upthread and take a
look. See the dramatic difference with the fees involved.

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First you scream for more trials, then you scream when more trials are in

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making. So IOW, you don't want anything except what is already endorsed by

EOM.

Wrong, and not the point. What Burzynski is doing is ensuring the fact that
people do not participate in his trials, unless they can pay out of pocket.
Health insurance does NOT cover experimental treatments, etc. He is not
funded from NCCAM, etc. Thus it is the desperately ill terminal patient who
has to cough up the bucks for the medical treatment.

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Who decides which trials are legimate??

See above. Do YOU think it is legitimate to charge people in this
circumstance?

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If you are aware of some cheap medical/clinical services, plese do post

them.

Many doctors do provide free medications (the ones dropped off by evil sales
reps), and I know of several doctors who will perform surgery for free. In
fact, one good friend of mine will perform surgery at no out of pocket
charge, if the case is a challenge. His website, the last time I looked,
says so. I would post the URL, or provide it to you in email, except that I
do not trust you and you enabler. Your loss.

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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 26, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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> http://www.worldhealthsurvey.com/clinical_trials/cancer_myeloma1.php
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> A Burzynski study.
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So???? It's a study, right? Isn't that what you have been asking for?

Go,

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go

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quickly, and sign up now.

I do not fit the criteria, and neither do you. I am not terminally ill,

and,

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you are not the right species.

Opinion, only opinion.........

Nope. Your species is a fact.

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Hmm. So only one potential drug in 10 in Phase III trials gets FDA
approval? From being here for awhile, I got the impression that all a
drug company had to do to get FDA approval was to twist some important
arms, call in their chits, or slap some money down on the counter. I
had no idea it was so hard to please the FDA.

That's only what they want you to believe. Sure, the FDA keeps up apperantly
high barriers to entry, but their real emphasis is on keeping unpatentable
items from hitting the market and forcing pro-alt researchers to sell out their
patents or end up like Rife.

Read about it in Racketeering In Paranoia Land, by Jan Drew.

"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 26, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t 05-26-

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Or, if that is too hard for you to conceptualize, then we could discuss
alternative treatments for obsessive compulsive bashing disorder.

Why? the treatments did not help you.

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With a
good discussion of that, perhaps we can find help for you.

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http://www.worldhealthsurvey.com/clinical_trials/cancer_myeloma1.php

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for?

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Go,

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go
> quickly, and sign up now.

I do not fit the criteria, and neither do you. I am not terminally

ill,

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and,

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you are not the right species.

Opinion, only opinion.........

Nope. Your species is a fact.

And you made the statement, now prove it. retardo.

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Or, if that is too hard for you to conceptualize, then we could discuss
alternative treatments for obsessive compulsive bashing disorder.

Why? the treatments did not help you.

Treatments for a condition one does not have often do that.

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With a
good discussion of that, perhaps we can find help for you.

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http://www.worldhealthsurvey.com/clinical_trials/cancer_myeloma1.php

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Go,
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> > quickly, and sign up now.
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> I do not fit the criteria, and neither do you. I am not terminally

ill,

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and,
> you are not the right species.
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> Opinion, only opinion.........

Nope. Your species is a fact.

And you made the statement, now prove it. retardo.

The proof is in your postings:

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Or, if that is too hard for you to conceptualize, then we could

discuss

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alternative treatments for obsessive compulsive bashing disorder.

Why? the treatments did not help you.

Treatments for a condition one does not have often do that.

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With a
good discussion of that, perhaps we can find help for you.

Well, we can still hope that they find SOMETHING to help people like you.

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http://www.worldhealthsurvey.com/clinical_trials/cancer_myeloma1.php

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> > > So???? It's a study, right? Isn't that what you have been asking

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> Go,
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> > > quickly, and sign up now.
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> > I do not fit the criteria, and neither do you. I am not terminally

ill,

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> and,
> > you are not the right species.
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> > Opinion, only opinion.........

Nope. Your species is a fact.

And you made the statement, now prove it. retardo.

The proof is in your postings:

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> > > > So???? It's a study, right? Isn't that what you have been

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for?
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> > > I do not fit the criteria, and neither do you. I am not

terminally

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And you made the statement, now prove it. retardo.

The proof is in your postings:

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I knew you would not understand, [censored]-for-brains.

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I knew you would not understand, [censored]-for-brains.

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Subject: Re: Available Clinical Trials
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 5/26/2004 3:42 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 26, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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>> Is that the norm? For participants to pay for a clinical trial, as

all

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>> the Burzynski trials require?
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>Participants in clinical trials are often compensated for their

invovlement.

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>I did not find one trial on this site, other than the Burzynski ones,

that

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>requires the participant to pay for medical care.
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>Perhaps the experts can chime in.
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I heard an advertisement on the radio this week looking for
participants in a clinical trial. They were going to get free
medication plus compensation.

remember that Burzynski's "medical/clinical services" don't come
cheap. Sell the house.

Do tell us which ones come cheap???

All properly run clinical trials are performed at no cost to the test
subjects.

Precisely. Any charges incurred by the use of the test drug or test
device are not billed to the patient. Either the manufacturer or the
government fund it.

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Think of it this way, Burzynski is charging people to be ginuea pigs.

Which is absolutely unconscionable.

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I trust that you understand this point, and will not defend at least this
part of his practice.

Don't count on her understanding this point.

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>Subject: Re: Available Clinical Trials
>From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
>Date: 5/26/2004 3:42 PM Pacific Standard Time
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>"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 26, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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>>> Is that the norm? For participants to pay for a clinical trial,

as

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all

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>>> the Burzynski trials require?
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>>Participants in clinical trials are often compensated for their

invovlement.

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>>I did not find one trial on this site, other than the Burzynski

ones,

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that

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>>requires the participant to pay for medical care.
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>>Perhaps the experts can chime in.
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>I heard an advertisement on the radio this week looking for
>participants in a clinical trial. They were going to get free
>medication plus compensation.
>
>remember that Burzynski's "medical/clinical services" don't come
>cheap. Sell the house.

Do tell us which ones come cheap???

All properly run clinical trials are performed at no cost to the test
subjects.

Precisely. Any charges incurred by the use of the test drug or test
device are not billed to the patient. Either the manufacturer or the
government fund it.

This is precisely why the costs of clinical trials are so high.

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Think of it this way, Burzynski is charging people to be ginuea pigs.

Which is absolutely unconscionable.

Agreed. Although his announcement for the trials sounds good, there are a
few defects. I doubt he will be able to secure a sufficient number of test
subjects.

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I trust that you understand this point, and will not defend at least

this

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part of his practice.

Don't count on her understanding this point.

Hope springs eternal.