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  1. I am currently taking Avelox for an infection. This is a
    pretty strong antibiotic that is in the same family of drugs
    with Leviquin (sp.?). The pharmacist warned me that
    strenuous activity is discouraged while taking this as it
    causes tendon problems.

    I may be taking the drug for as long as thirty days. I plan
    to take a daily walk during that month and stop running.
    Even walking up the stairs carrying a laundry basket put a
    bit of strain on my calf muscles yesterday. That was a weird
    feeling for me.

    I was wondering if anyone else had any experience with this
    drug. I need to know how long I should wait to begin running
    again after I finish these antibiotics. I do not want to
    take a chance on doing any damage at all.

    I'm also wondering if there are any other side effects about
    which I should be aware. They did tell me not to take anti-
    inflammatory drugs while taking the Avelox. Michelle

  2. Unless your doctor cannot find any other medication to treat your
    infection I would not take AVELOX:

    (this is from Bayer site)

    AVELOX is a prescription medication that is generally well
    tolerated. The most common side effects, which are usually
    mild, include nausea, diarrhea, and dizziness. You should be
    careful about driving or operating machinery until you are
    sure AVELOX is not causing dizziness.

    You should not take AVELOX if you have ever had an allergic
    reaction to AVELOX or any of the other group of antibiotics
    known as "quinolones," such as ciprofloxacin or
    levofloxacin. You should avoid taking AVELOX if you have
    been diagnosed with an abnormal heartbeat such as an
    arrhythmia or are using certain medications used to treat an
    abnormal heartbeat. These include quinidine, procainamide,
    amiodarone, and sotalol.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>

    I took another type, Cipro, and had an immediate reaction,
    what really [censored] me off was that I was wearing a
    marathon shirt when the doctor prescribed, we talked about
    my running.

    The druggist assured me there were no known
    contraindications and within in hours I started having
    symptons. When I went back to raise hell with the drug
    store, the manager was telling me about how he had blown out
    his knee while running a 10k on the same drug didn't know
    about it's problems. Some symptoms don't show up for a long
    time, when the tendons give way.

    Runner beware! At least do your homework. (The FDA site may
    be a good place to start)

    Mrsg said:

    Avelox

  3. I took a course (5 days worth) for bronchitis a couple of
    weeks ago.

    I continued running, including some mountain ascents, but
    slowly (after all i was sick...). Having a vague memory of
    some antibiotics causing tendon problems, I babied my legs
    for that week, and iced my achilles on general principle. I
    did notice that I ran slower, felt more tired, and had a
    lower heart rate while on the stuff.

    I survived. However, I will tell my doc to avoid quinolones
    from now on.

    -- Dan

    "Mrsg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:W4OdnVOMecsJ8HXdRVn-
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I am currently taking Avelox for an infection. This is a
    pretty strong antibiotic that is in the same family of
    drugs with Leviquin (sp.?). The pharmacist warned me that
    strenuous activity is discouraged while taking this as it
    causes tendon problems.

    I may be taking the drug for as long as thirty days. I
    plan to take a


    daily

    Quoted message said:

    walk during that month and stop running. Even walking up
    the stairs carrying a laundry basket put a bit of strain
    on my calf muscles


    yesterday.

    Quoted message said:

    That was a weird feeling for me.

    I was wondering if anyone else had any experience with
    this drug. I need


    to

    Quoted message said:

    know how long I should wait to begin running again after I
    finish these antibiotics. I do not want to take a chance
    on doing any damage at all.

    I'm also wondering if there are any other side effects
    about which I


    should

    Quoted message said:

    be aware. They did tell me not to take anti-inflammatory
    drugs while


    taking

    Quoted message said:

    the Avelox. Michelle

  4. You're both pansies. I take handfulls of those just before
    every marathon, and with breakfast every day.

    [email hidden] (Bumper) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Unless your doctor cannot find any other medication to
    treat your infection I would not take AVELOX:

    (this is from Bayer site)

    AVELOX is a prescription medication that is generally well
    tolerated. The most common side effects, which are usually
    mild, include nausea, diarrhea, and dizziness. You should
    be careful about driving or operating machinery until you
    are sure AVELOX is not causing dizziness.

    You should not take AVELOX if you have ever had an
    allergic reaction to AVELOX or any of the other group of
    antibiotics known as "quinolones," such as ciprofloxacin
    or levofloxacin. You should avoid taking AVELOX if you
    have been diagnosed with an abnormal heartbeat such as an
    arrhythmia or are using certain medications used to treat
    an abnormal heartbeat. These include quinidine,
    procainamide, amiodarone, and sotalol.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>

    I took another type, Cipro, and had an immediate reaction,
    what really [censored] me off was that I was wearing a
    marathon shirt when the doctor prescribed, we talked about
    my running.

    The druggist assured me there were no known
    contraindications and within in hours I started having
    symptons. When I went back to raise hell with the drug
    store, the manager was telling me about how he had blown
    out his knee while running a 10k on the same drug didn't
    know about it's problems. Some symptoms don't show up for
    a long time, when the tendons give way.

    Runner beware! At least do your homework. (The FDA site
    may be a good place to start)

    Mrsg said:

    Avelox

  5. Bumper <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>

    I took another type, Cipro, and had an immediate reaction,
    what really [censored] me off was that I was wearing a
    marathon shirt when the doctor prescribed, we talked about
    my running.

    What kind of a reaction did you have? I'm very surprised
    that neither the doctor or the pharmacist warned you about
    tendon problems with this drug. Michelle

  6. Bumper said:

    Unless your doctor cannot find any other medication to
    treat your infection I would not take AVELOX...

    Oh, please, where do you get off telling a woman not to take
    an antibiotic for a suspected infection against the
    recommendation of the doctor who examined her, knows the
    situation, laid his/her hands on the mass in her jaw, knows
    her other medical issues, and arranged followup plans?

    All I need in my careful difficult practice of medicine is
    some uninformed alarmist doofus like you telling my patients
    based purely on anecdote or rumor, "don't take that blood
    pressure medicine!", "don't take that antibiotic", "don't
    use that eczema lotion", etc.

    It's nice of you to be concerned for the health and
    wellbeing of another person, but give the doc a break and
    imagine for at least a moment that the doctor also is
    concerned for the health and wellbeing of the patient, has
    laid out the options, has negotiated an approach to treating
    the situation at hand, and is in a much better position to
    care for this woman than you! Not every doctor is
    uninformed, lazy, greedy, disinterested, and unprofessional,
    as you might think from reading here in this newsgroup.
    Doctor and patient (and for that matter, massage therapist
    and patient, physical therapist and patient, chiropractor
    and patient, nutritionist and patient) can get a lot done
    working carefully and earnestly together. Kindly try not to
    sabotage that work together unless you really know how
    grossly inappropriate someone's professional care is. I
    don't even like Avelox and I never prescribe it. But at
    least I have a bit of respect for another earnest
    professional who does. Sheesh.

    -- Josh Steinberg MD, Syracuse

  7. Josh,

    Let us review the facts at hand:

    The poster requested info.

    I responded with my personal opinion and experience with a
    similar drug.

    I then backed it up with information from the drug
    maker's web site.

    I gave details of my situation and events that lead up to
    it. A urologist who did not know the side effects of one of
    the most commonly prescribed drugs in his speciality and a
    lazy druggist. I had a reaction, which I later found out was
    not uncommon and if I had been give sufficient information I
    might have had a discussion with the doctor about
    alternatives.

    I then suggested that the poster do some additional
    research.

    I am sure you are a fine physician, but you don't know me or
    my medical background. But your response did remind me of a
    dear friend who is a stick-and-spoon dentist, he got his
    hand severely slapped because in giving expert testimony he
    once failed to preface his remarks with "In my opinion...."

    Of that I am guilty, so if it makes you feel better:

    In my opinion, based on personal antedotal experience, I
    would not recommend any active person take a drug that has
    shown a propensity to cause large tendons to break"

    As far as your lecture on giving the medical profession a
    break, I do every day, but Shakespeare may have said it
    best: "thou dost protest too much" The days of blindly
    turning one's health care over to the "professionals" is
    over, gone, fini. Between the government, the courts and the
    insurance companies, these days doctors (and all the other
    medical professionals) need all the help they can get. The
    doctors I hang with will take it.

    So the next time you want to start calling people names, you
    might consider engaging that part of the brain that parses
    the English language before you start typing. Rather than
    coming up with some lame, trite, protectionist response, you
    might have offered something helpful.

    I have grown weary of this, so allow me to I offer up one
    last prescription: Doc, go find the nearest mirror, look
    squarely into it and let forth with your best litany of name
    calling. I have never, ever been called a gentleman, but in
    your case I'll opt for the higher ground.

    Have a nice day,

    Bob Emery

    Joshua Steinberg said:
    Bumper said:

    Unless your doctor cannot find any other medication to
    treat your infection I would not take AVELOX...

    Oh, please, where do you get off telling a woman not to
    take an antibiotic for a suspected infection against
    the recommendation of the doctor who examined her,
    knows the situation, laid his/her hands on the mass in
    her jaw, knows her other medical issues, and arranged
    followup plans?

    All I need in my careful difficult practice of medicine is
    some uninformed alarmist doofus like you telling my
    patients based purely on anecdote or rumor, "don't take
    that blood pressure medicine!", "don't take that
    antibiotic", "don't use that eczema lotion", etc.

    It's nice of you to be concerned for the health and
    wellbeing of another person, but give the doc a break and
    imagine for at least a moment that the doctor also is
    concerned for the health and wellbeing of the patient, has
    laid out the options, has negotiated an approach to
    treating the situation at hand, and is in a much better
    position to care for this woman than you! Not every doctor
    is uninformed, lazy, greedy, disinterested, and
    unprofessional, as you might think from reading here in
    this newsgroup. Doctor and patient (and for that matter,
    massage therapist and patient, physical therapist and
    patient, chiropractor and patient, nutritionist and
    patient) can get a lot done working carefully and
    earnestly together. Kindly try not to sabotage that work
    together unless you really know how grossly inappropriate
    someone's professional care is. I don't even like Avelox
    and I never prescribe it. But at least I have a bit of
    respect for another earnest professional who does. Sheesh.

    -- Josh Steinberg MD, Syracuse

  8. YEAH! Get 'em bulldog! LOL. Seriously though, your point's
    well taken. Question: you mention chiropractors working
    together with you and others for good results. So does this
    mean that you recognize that they have a place in medicine?
    It would be refreshing to hear a MD say something good about
    them, and maybe about why so many MD's (like Faux-Dr
    Roidger) talk so much bad about them. I point this out all
    the time, but it would be refreshing to hear some good about
    them from an
    MD.

    Joshua Steinberg <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Bumper said:

    Unless your doctor cannot find any other medication to
    treat your infection I would not take AVELOX...

    Oh, please, where do you get off telling a woman not to
    take an antibiotic for a suspected infection against
    the recommendation of the doctor who examined her,
    knows the situation, laid his/her hands on the mass in
    her jaw, knows her other medical issues, and arranged
    followup plans?

    All I need in my careful difficult practice of medicine is
    some uninformed alarmist doofus like you telling my
    patients based purely on anecdote or rumor, "don't take
    that blood pressure medicine!", "don't take that
    antibiotic", "don't use that eczema lotion", etc.

    It's nice of you to be concerned for the health and
    wellbeing of another person, but give the doc a break and
    imagine for at least a moment that the doctor also is
    concerned for the health and wellbeing of the patient, has
    laid out the options, has negotiated an approach to
    treating the situation at hand, and is in a much better
    position to care for this woman than you! Not every doctor
    is uninformed, lazy, greedy, disinterested, and
    unprofessional, as you might think from reading here in
    this newsgroup. Doctor and patient (and for that matter,
    massage therapist and patient, physical therapist and
    patient, chiropractor and patient, nutritionist and
    patient) can get a lot done working carefully and
    earnestly together. Kindly try not to sabotage that work
    together unless you really know how grossly inappropriate
    someone's professional care is. I don't even like Avelox
    and I never prescribe it. But at least I have a bit of
    respect for another earnest professional who does. Sheesh.

    -- Josh Steinberg MD, Syracuse

  9. <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Joshua Steinberg said:
    Bumper said:

    Unless your doctor cannot find any other medication to
    treat your infection I would not take AVELOX...

    Oh, please, where do you get off telling a woman not to
    take an antibiotic for a suspected infection against
    the recommendation of the doctor who examined her,
    knows the situation, laid his/her hands on the mass in
    her jaw, knows her other medical issues, and arranged
    followup plans?


    <snip> i guess the difference of opinion stems from the
    amount of risk one is willing to assume. the doctor has no
    downside, so his/her risk acceptance is high. the poor
    patient may live with a serious problem for the rest of
    their life, so their's is low.

    i always refer people to
    geocities.comquinolones and tell them to review
    the EMAIL FORUM link. sure, some of these anecdotal postings
    are cuckoo. some are not. i wouldn't be taking quinolones
    unless something very serious was happening. ...thehick

  10. "Great Marathon man" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    YEAH! Get 'em bulldog! LOL. Seriously though, your point's
    well taken. Question: you mention chiropractors working
    together with you and others for good results. So does
    this mean that you recognize that they have a place in
    medicine?

    Sure they do but only when they stay within the bounds of
    what they went to school for. Too damn often they stray into
    areas they don't know [censored] about and that's when they get
    into trouble and taint the rest. Frankly and likely unfair,
    but have no use for them. Any problem I have ever had was
    solved by a "real" doctor or physical/massage therapist. We
    have a wad of prictors in the local area and maybe one gets
    passing grades.

    Do you think any doctor would say anything bad about
    another MD or branch of medicine in a public forum?
    Forest..trees.. Willie

    -DougF

  11. frank-in-toronto said:

    i guess the difference of opinion stems from the amount of
    risk one is willing to assume. the doctor has no downside,
    so his/her risk acceptance is high. the poor patient may
    live with a serious problem for the rest of their life, so
    their's is low.

    The doctor has no downside? I care not whether my patient
    gets a resistant infection, a ruptured tendon, more lost
    work and wages, etc.? I guess you have the wrong doctor.

    I rise and fall on the successes of my patients and their
    issues. When a smoker quits or a runner recovers from injury
    or a mom and I get through a tough labor with a beautiful
    baby, I'm thrilled. And when someone's belly pain continues
    mysteriously or a colicky baby keeps on crying despite my
    efforts, I feel lousy. Furthermore, if what I do doesn't
    work, I have to then work on the problem again, with a
    disappointed if not disgruntled patient no less. And don't
    forget that everything a doctor does in our nutso lawyer-
    happy socieity is subject to legal scrutiny. So I give
    myself hassle, I embarrass myself at my failed effort, my
    patient suffers, and I incur legal risk. What was that about
    no downside?

    I'm no saint, and I'm surely not the best doctor on earth or
    even in Syracuse. But please don't think that doctors,
    hopefully not your doctors, just take their paychecks and
    gloat all the way to the bank in their BMW's (I drive old
    Toyota). The profession and calling of medicine still means
    a lot to me and just about every colleague I can think of.
    Sorry we don't show it all the time.

    -- Josh

  12. Either you're full of [censored], or you're an exception to the
    rule, at least going by the Dr's around here.

    Joshua Steinberg <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    The doctor has no downside? I care not whether my patient
    gets a resistant infection, a ruptured tendon, more lost
    work and wages, etc.? I guess you have the wrong doctor.

    I rise and fall on the successes of my patients and their
    issues. When a smoker quits or a runner recovers from
    injury or a mom and I get through a tough labor with a
    beautiful baby, I'm thrilled. And when someone's belly
    pain continues mysteriously or a colicky baby keeps on
    crying despite my efforts, I feel lousy. Furthermore, if
    what I do doesn't work, I have to then work on the problem
    again, with a disappointed if not disgruntled patient no
    less. And don't forget that everything a doctor does in
    our nutso lawyer-happy socieity is subject to legal
    scrutiny. So I give myself hassle, I embarrass myself at
    my failed effort, my patient suffers, and I incur legal
    risk. What was that about no downside?

    I'm no saint, and I'm surely not the best doctor on earth
    or even in Syracuse. But please don't think that doctors,
    hopefully not your doctors, just take their paychecks and
    gloat all the way to the bank in their BMW's (I drive old
    Toyota). The profession and calling of medicine still
    means a lot to me and just about every colleague I can
    think of. Sorry we don't show it all the time.

    -- Josh

  13. Hey Doc,No you really DON'T have any downside besides a disgruntled patient and 'feeling bad', the patient might be disabled for the rest of their life and virtually no lawsuits have successfully prosecuted doctors for someone becoming disabled from taking Quinolones because you were following the 'standard of care'. Your response shows that you know virtually nothing about the devastating effects that Quinolones can have. There are thousands of people, many young athletes, whose lives have been completely destroyed from one course of Quinolones. Doctors who prescribe Quinolones for anything but a life threatening infection where there is no other option for antibiotics are negligent and criminal. These drugs destroy people's lives and YOU need to do more research on them before you make silly comments about you having a 'downside' of 'feeling bad' when a patient's entire life is destroyed. You are IGNORANT of the effects these drugs have and the suffering they cause. Your 'downside' is ridiculous...

  14. Unless you have absolutely no other choice, do NOT take Quinolones ever.... I urge you to Google 'Levaquin Toxicity' and watch some of the You Tube videos. Quinolones DESTROY lives and you never know if you are going to be the one who becomes injured or even permanently disabled until it happens to you. Every single person who has been damaged by Quinolones will tell you, "If only I'd have known how damaging these drugs were, I'd have never ever taken them."

    I've seen people, some young athletes, have their entire lives destroyed due to ONE SINGLE dose of Cipro, the milder antibiotic in comparison to Avelox.

    Caveat emptor.

    You have been warned.
    I urge you to not take this drug unless you have no other option. Quinolones are bad bad bad bad bad and they destroy connective tissue, create neurologic problems, cause anxiety, depression and much more. Here's a nice quote to end this discussion by a doctor whose daughter is suffering from Quinolone Toxicity,

    "Personally, I do not believe there is any other drug
    that can so adversely affect our health without
    outright killing us, maybe there is but I don't
    know what it would be."

    George Eby on Side Effects of Cipro

  15. As I type this reply, left handed, as my right hand is in a sling and brace, because of avelox, I have to ask the Dr. on board, really, what about the patient, what about me? I will never forget the words my dr. in the er used to tell me, he could either prescribe me avelox, or augmenten, for ins. reasons as not many ins. will pay for avelox,... well, specifically told him I had some sort if intestinal reaction because of avelox before, so I would prefer the augmenten... well, he discharged me with avelox... now, I have no use of my right hand at all, have to got see a hand specialist.... I am 44, right handed, and I can't comb my hair, button my shirts, or pants.... this is a nightmare!!!! I can't work!! Did I tell you about the excruciating pain? I am in shock! Why did I not get the other treatment that does not have side effects like this!!!!! Sorry, just very upset... thankful this board is here....

  16. Hey all. The issue is no longer whether or not quinalones are dangerous. Everyone now knows they are. It's all over the news and internet. What is not so easy to find info on is how to treat the problem. That is what I am looking for. I know that hyperbaric oxygen helps speed up healing (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22951751), but I am also looking for some supplements that will also help the tendons heal faster. I happen to be blessed to live in a country where hyperbarics are cheap, but if I could couple that with some other supplement then I could achieve even faster healing. If anyone comes across anything besides glucosamine, let me know. Thanks! Nate

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