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avoiding stress fractures

Jma · 2004-03-25T02:04:44+00:00

I've recently been dignosed with two different problems that will impact my running. The first is insulin resistance (not quite type 2 diabetes but close enough) and I'll be taking medication in addition to diet modification. I've already lost nearly half my body weight last year and I've become very physically active, but alas not in time to completely dodge this bullet. I think once I get used to the medication and managing the effect that carbs seem to have on me, I'll be able to fuel my running habit properly. The other problem is a parathyroid gland that's producing too much calcium. The doctor explained to me that the calcium can only come from my bones and it is very possible that this problems is causing my bones to leach calcium into my system. He mentioned the possibility of kidney stones and stress fractures as a result of this problem and suggested that I scale back on my running temporarily. This problem might resolve itself when the insulin is under control. I have come up with a plan to deal with this. *Cut back from 15-20 mpw (4x wk road and treadmill - usually 3,4,3,8). I start track practice with my middle school kids next week and the coaches only run them 2 miles. I'll have 2 mi 3x/wk (road until the track & trails are cleared of snow), and some sprints (another mile on those days) and then I'd like to continue one slow 5-mile on the treadmill until the trails clear. *Run only 1 5k race/month this summer instead of 2-3 and then only for experience & fun not PR's. *Spend quality time on the elliptical (3-4 hrs/wk) until the trails clear and then go back to biking. *Continue weight training to strengthen calves, quads, and hamstrings. *My outdoor shoes (motion control) have only 200 mi on them, but I'm going to pick up another pair. *Make sure I have a decent snack or meal 1-2 hrs. before running (energy for the muscles). *Lose 20 lbs that came back in spite of exercise and watching my diet (according to doctor this will happen with the medication). Are there any other suggestions to avoid injury? I really don't want to give up running and I think that once this stuff is under control I can continue to work toward my goal of a marathon in 2006 (my 40th b-day). Thanks in advance. Jenn

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Jma
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25 March 2004, 02:04 UTC #1

I've recently been dignosed with two different problems that
will impact my running. The first is insulin resistance (not
quite type 2 diabetes but close enough) and I'll be taking
medication in addition to diet modification. I've already
lost nearly half my body weight last year and I've become
very physically active, but alas not in time to completely
dodge this bullet. I think once I get used to the medication
and managing the effect that carbs seem to have on me, I'll
be able to fuel my running habit properly.
The other problem is a parathyroid gland that's producing
too much calcium. The doctor explained to me that the
calcium can only come from my bones and it is very possible
that this problems is causing my bones to leach calcium into
my system. He mentioned the possibility of kidney stones and
stress fractures as a result of this problem and suggested
that I scale back on my running temporarily. This problem
might resolve itself when the insulin is under control. I
have come up with a plan to deal with this.
*Cut back from 15-20 mpw (4x wk road and treadmill - usually
3,4,3,8). I start track practice with my middle school kids
next week and the coaches only run them 2 miles. I'll have 2
mi 3x/wk (road until the track & trails are cleared of
snow), and some sprints (another mile on those days) and
then I'd like to continue one slow 5-mile on the treadmill
until the trails clear. *Run only 1 5k race/month this
summer instead of 2-3 and then only for experience & fun not
PR's. *Spend quality time on the elliptical (3-4 hrs/wk)
until the trails clear and then go back to biking. *Continue
weight training to strengthen calves, quads, and hamstrings.
*My outdoor shoes (motion control) have only 200 mi on them,
but I'm going to pick up another pair. *Make sure I have a
decent snack or meal 1-2 hrs. before running (energy for the
muscles). *Lose 20 lbs that came back in spite of exercise
and watching my diet (according to doctor this will happen
with the medication).
Are there any other suggestions to avoid injury? I really
don't want to give up running and I think that once this
stuff is under control I can continue to work toward my goal
of a marathon in 2006 (my 40th b-day). Thanks in advance.
Jenn

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Macelroy
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25 March 2004, 11:30 UTC #2

Diet modification yes, medication no. The idea is to try to
make the body heal itself and not become dependent on the
medication. The diet modification should fix the not quite
type 2 diabetes.
I can give you a diet but I'll just make it short, stick
with small amounts of fruits and vegetables for breakfast
and lunch. Do not even consider breakfast or lunch a meal
but rather just something to ingest fluids. Include some
protein dish like fish or chicken for dinner. Stay away
from garbage foods like PIZZA and at least limit sodas to
a few days per week if you can't completely avoid them.
Regarding your theory about having energy for the
muscles before you run. It's completely wrong. You gain
energy to muscles by the amount of depletion you cause.
The more depletion, the greater the absorption of energy
during recovery.
There are things I would do to help you for a complete
recovery but they would involve quiting work and keeping
physically active throughout the day. The object being to
have the mind do nothing but focus all your energy on
your body and nothing else. I have seen some instances of
miraculous recoveries in the past when mind and body have
constant feedback like that.

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Macelroy
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25 March 2004, 12:44 UTC #3

Diet modification yes, medication no. The idea is to try to
make the body heal itself and not become dependent on the
medication. The diet modification should fix the not quite
type 2 diabetes.
I can give you a diet but I'll just make it short, stick
with small amounts of fruits and vegetables for breakfast
and lunch. Do not even consider breakfast or lunch a meal
but rather just something to ingest fluids. Include some
protein dish like fish or chicken for dinner. Stay away
from garbage foods like PIZZA and at least limit sodas to
a few days per week if you can't completely avoid them.
Regarding your theory about having energy for the
muscles before you run. It's completely wrong. You gain
energy to muscles by the amount of depletion you cause.
The more depletion, the greater the absorption of energy
during recovery.
There are things I would do to help you for a complete
recovery but they would involve quiting work and keeping
physically active throughout the day. The object being to
have the mind do nothing but focus all your energy on
your body and nothing else. I have seen some instances of
miraculous recoveries in the past when mind and body have
constant feedback like that.

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Tim Downie
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25 March 2004, 12:44 UTC #4

JMA said:
I've recently been dignosed with two different problems
that will impact my running.

[...]
Sorry to hear about your troubles Jenn. No words of wisdom
I'm afraid other than to say, be very careful about *any*
advice you receive on usenet, particularly when it relates
to your personal health. In most (but not all) cases, your
own doctor will be in a much better position to offer you
the advice and support you need. Unfortunately there's no
shortage of wackos who'll claim to know how to cure anything
and rec.running has it's fair share.
FWIW, a quick google on hyperparathyroidism and exercise
would suggest that exercise (including weight bearing
exercise) is quite strongly advocated in hyperparathyroidism
as a means of preserving bone strength. It's something you
might like to discuss at more length with your own doctor
next time you meet.
[...]
Quoted message said:
The other problem is a parathyroid gland that's producing
too much calcium.
Just a small correction. Your parathyroids don't produce
calcium, they produce parathormone which releases calcium
from your bones.
Good luck and best wishes,
Tim
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Tim Downie
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25 March 2004, 12:44 UTC #5

Tim Downie said:
it's fair share.

^^^ Argh! Sorry. "its"
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Jma
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25 March 2004, 15:23 UTC #6

"Tim Downie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
FWIW, a quick google on hyperparathyroidism and exercise
would suggest

that
Quoted message said:
exercise (including weight bearing exercise) is quite
strongly advocated

in
Quoted message said:
hyperparathyroidism as a means of preserving bone
strength. It's

something
Quoted message said:
you might like to discuss at more length with your own
doctor next time

you
Quoted message said:
meet.
He only suggested lowering the impact, not the intensity or
quantity of exercise so I'm free to elliptical my heart out.
I'll be getting a bone scan in 2 months to see if all of
this is really necessary.
Quoted message said:
[...]
Quoted message said:
The other problem is a parathyroid gland that's
producing too much calcium.
Just a small correction. Your parathyroids don't produce
calcium, they produce parathormone which releases calcium
from your bones.
Yep, that's what it is.
Quoted message said:
Good luck and best wishes,

thanks!

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Dot
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25 March 2004, 17:06 UTC #7

JMA said:
He only suggested lowering the impact, not the intensity
or quantity of exercise so I'm free to elliptical my heart
out. I'll be getting a bone scan in 2 months to see if all
of this is really necessary.
If your trails are still snow covered, can you xc ski or
snowshoe - or have the snow conditions degenerated too
much? Something I found when I was experimenting with poles
with snowshoeing earlier this year (couple of steep
downhills - at least for me), is that they definitely give
more of a full body workout. Additional benefits that I've
since read about (wasn't on my mind at the time) is they
reduce impact and I think add something like 15-25%
additional energy cost.
Good luck.
Dot
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Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

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Jma
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25 March 2004, 17:25 UTC #8

"Dot" <dot.h@#att.net> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
If your trails are still snow covered, can you xc ski or
snowshoe - or have the snow conditions degenerated too
much? Something I found when I was experimenting with
poles with snowshoeing earlier this year (couple of steep
downhills - at least for me), is that they definitely give
more of a full body workout. Additional benefits that I've
since read about (wasn't on my mind at the time) is they
reduce impact and I think add something like 15-25%
additional energy cost.

This month's RW had a blurb about using poles to hike so I
thought I would try it. I didn't realize it would reduce
impact too! (very cool, thanks)
We just got into the 50's and the snow is going quickly -
it's total fog out right now. The logging roads are clear
enough for mudding so I brought the bike in for a tune up
yesterday. Tomorrow is the last day of spring break and if
the fog breaks I'm taking the bike to the mud.
Thanks for the info.
Jenn

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Sam
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26 March 2004, 03:06 UTC #9

Utter bunk!
Depletion giving energy?
You actually give people such advice?
They pay you?
I seriously doubt it.
"macelroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Diet modification yes, medication no. The idea is to try
to make the body heal itself and not become dependent on
the medication. The diet modification should fix the not
quite type 2 diabetes.
I can give you a diet but I'll just make it short,
stick with small amounts of fruits and vegetables for
breakfast and lunch. Do not even consider breakfast or
lunch a meal but rather just something to ingest
fluids. Include some protein dish like fish or chicken
for dinner. Stay away from garbage foods like PIZZA and
at least limit sodas to a few days per week if you
can't completely avoid them.
Regarding your theory about having energy for the
muscles before you run. It's completely wrong. You gain
energy to muscles by the amount of depletion you cause.
The more depletion, the greater the absorption of
energy during recovery.
There are things I would do to help you for a complete
recovery but they would involve quiting work and
keeping physically active throughout the day. The
object being to have the mind do nothing but focus all
your energy on your body and nothing else. I have seen
some instances of miraculous recoveries in the past
when mind and body have constant feedback like that.

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Jma
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26 March 2004, 03:25 UTC #10

I didn't take this seriously and decided not to spend the
time debunking the entire thing. I will say that depletion
is the LAST thing I need to do at this time since fatigued
and overused muscles are the reason why people get stress
fractures.
Jenn who hasn't had pizza in over 18 months now (how else
would I be able to lose 140 lbs?)
"Sam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Utter bunk!
Depletion giving energy?
You actually give people such advice?
They pay you?
I seriously doubt it.
"macelroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Diet modification yes, medication no. The idea is to try
to make the body heal itself and not become dependent on
the medication. The diet modification should fix the not
quite type 2 diabetes.
I can give you a diet but I'll just make it short,
stick with small amounts of fruits and vegetables for
breakfast and lunch. Do not even consider breakfast
or lunch a meal but rather just something to ingest
fluids. Include some protein dish like fish or
chicken for dinner. Stay away from garbage foods like
PIZZA and at least limit sodas to a few days per week
if you can't completely avoid them.
Regarding your theory about having energy for the
muscles before you run. It's completely wrong. You
gain energy to muscles by the amount of depletion you
cause. The more depletion, the greater the absorption
of energy during recovery.
There are things I would do to help you for a
complete recovery but they would involve quiting work
and keeping physically active throughout the day. The
object being to have the mind do nothing but focus
all your energy on your body and nothing else. I have
seen some instances of miraculous recoveries in the
past when mind and body have constant feedback like
that.

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Dot
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26 March 2004, 08:50 UTC #11

JMA said:
"Dot" <dot.h@#att.net> wrote in message news:a2E8c.37725$PY1.711962@bgtnsc05-
news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Quoted message said:
If your trails are still snow covered, can you xc ski or
snowshoe - or have the snow conditions degenerated too
much? Something I found when I was experimenting with
poles with snowshoeing earlier this year (couple of steep
downhills - at least for me), is that they definitely give
more of a full body workout. Additional benefits that I've
since read about (wasn't on my mind at the time) is they
reduce impact and I think add something like 15-25%
additional energy cost.
This month's RW had a blurb about using poles to hike so I
thought I would try it. I didn't realize it would reduce
impact too! (very cool, thanks)
Reducing impact is actually why many people use trekking
poles in hiking. I had never used poles with my present
snowshoes, but the lady that taught the ss workshop
suggested poles on rough terrain for stability. A friend of
mine had a pair of trekking poles from a backpack trip in
Grand Canyon a couple years ago, and hadn't used her poles
since, but offered them to me to try. I don't like them for
ss running or easy terrain - especially in cold weather
since my hands get cold - but, man, could they add a lot of
stability in rougher terrain. I was able to cruise through
some areas where I would've had to pick my way.
Anyway in the process of doing some homework on poles, I
found some links that might be of use.
snowshoemag.comtomsobal jan.html
personal.dundee.ac.ukpoles.htm
backpacking.nettrekpole.html
Dot
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