Bacchetta like steering on a Barcroft?

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Last spring I test rode a Bacchetta Giro and Barcroft Virginia at a WHIRL ride/picnic in WashDC. The
are both great bikes! I suppose I liked the look and finish of the Virginia better than the Giro but
I liked the handling of the Giro better! I think it's the steering setup on the Giro that made the
difference for me. So now for my question. Has anyone experimented with a Bacchetta like steering
setup on a Barcroft? I am guessing that it would be a real fine combination.

Jim Reilly Reading, PA

There's a 4" difference in boom length between the bikes, which causes the same rider to be 4" closer to the steering axis on the Barcroft (17" boom) vs. Bachetta standard size (13" boom). When I put Bacchetta bars on my Barcroft this put my hand position about even with the steering axis and reduced tiller/leverage to nil. Felt much less control that way, no leverage "weight" to help feel the bike steering. Since then have Bacchetta bars on a VRex and it's great with the 13.25" boom and rider positon. But I miss the longer Barcroft wheelbase, so I feel safe in assuming a Giro would fit me very well. So the bikes were designed with their steering systems in mind! I agree about the Barcroft looking better, but I noticed I couldn't see it when I was riding anyway... Don

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Don wrote:

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There's a 4" difference in boom length between the bikes, which causes the same rider to be 4"
closer to the steering axis on the Barcroft (17" boom) vs. Bachetta standard size (13" boom).
When I put Bacchetta bars on my Barcroft this put my hand position about even with the steering
axis and reduced tiller/leverage to nil

Don, that makes sense to me. Clearly the difference in handling between the Giro and
Dakota/Viriginia have at least as much to do with the riders position relative to the steering
axis. That explains why I felt the Barcroft was twitchier. As for the steering, your description
clearly defines how the Bacchetta style steering would be too close to the rider on a Barcroft.
Thanks a lot!

Jim

Jim, you get more choices on the Barcroft and do not have be stuck with stock parts. I tried to order a Bacchetta frameset from a local dealer and build with ligher wheels, seat and better componets and the price was close to $3000.00. I worked with Bill Cook with Barcroft and the price was $2600.00. He just developed a new mesh seat that brings the total weight of the bike down to 24.5 pounds. I test rode a bike for a week and think the bike handles great. The Pantour front hub really improves the the handling at high speeds.

I met you at the Spring WHRIL ride and saw you again at the Sea Gull Century. I had a Rans V-Rex which I sold and still have my Tour Easy. I just ordered a Barcroft Virginia GT and added a fairing for even more speed.

Chuck
Rockville, MD
Tour Easy

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Don wrote:

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There's a 4" difference in boom length between the bikes, which causes the same rider to be 4"
closer to the steering axis on the Barcroft (17" boom) vs. Bachetta standard size (13" boom).
When I put Bacchetta bars on my Barcroft this put my hand position about even with the steering
axis and reduced tiller/leverage to nil

Don, that makes sense to me. Clearly the difference in handling between the Giro and
Dakota/Viriginia have at least as much to do with the riders position relative to the steering
axis. That explains why I felt the Barcroft was twitchier. As for the steering, your description
clearly defines how the Bacchetta style steering would be too close to the rider on a Barcroft.
Thanks a lot!

Jim

Chuck, Come on over to the Eastern Shore and ride with us some Sunday. We usually ride a metric or
century plus. We also try to ride on Wednesday also.

Jude....///Bacchetta AERO St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland Wheel Doctor Cycle and Sports,
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Don wrote: There's a 4" difference in boom length between the bikes, which causes the same
rider to be 4" closer to the steering axis on the Barcroft (17" boom) vs. Bachetta standard
size (13" boom). When I

put

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Bacchetta bars on my Barcroft this put my hand position about even with the steering axis
and reduced tiller/leverage to nil

Don, that makes sense to me. Clearly the difference in handling

between

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the Giro and Dakota/Viriginia have at least as much to do with the riders position relative to
the steering axis. That explains why I

felt

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the Barcroft was twitchier. As for the steering, your description clearly defines how the
Bacchetta style steering would be too close to the rider on a Barcroft. Thanks a lot! Jim

Jim, you get more choices on the Barcroft and do not have be stuck with stock parts. I tried to
order a Bacchetta frameset from a local dealer and build with ligher wheels, seat and better
componets and the price was close to $3000.00. I worked with Bill Cook with Barcroft and the price
was $2600.00. He just developed a new mesh seat that brings the total weight of the bike down to
24.5 pounds. I test rode a bike for a week and think the bike handles great. The Pantour front hub
really improves the the handling at high speeds.

I met you at the Spring WHRIL ride and saw you again at the Sea Gull Century. I had a Rans V-Rex
which I sold and still have my Tour Easy. I just ordered a Barcroft Virginia GT and added a
fairing for even more speed.

Chuck Rockville, MD Tour Easy

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Chuck, Oh yea! We also try to go over to the Western Shore to ride too. So we could ride with you
some Sunday.

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Don wrote: There's a 4" difference in boom length between the bikes, which causes the same
rider to be 4" closer to the steering axis on the Barcroft (17" boom) vs. Bachetta standard
size (13" boom). When I

put

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Bacchetta bars on my Barcroft this put my hand position about even with the steering axis
and reduced tiller/leverage to nil

Don, that makes sense to me. Clearly the difference in handling

between

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the Giro and Dakota/Viriginia have at least as much to do with the riders position relative to
the steering axis. That explains why I

felt

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the Barcroft was twitchier. As for the steering, your description clearly defines how the
Bacchetta style steering would be too close to the rider on a Barcroft. Thanks a lot! Jim

Jim, you get more choices on the Barcroft and do not have be stuck with stock parts. I tried to
order a Bacchetta frameset from a local dealer and build with ligher wheels, seat and better
componets and the price was close to $3000.00. I worked with Bill Cook with Barcroft and the price
was $2600.00. He just developed a new mesh seat that brings the total weight of the bike down to
24.5 pounds. I test rode a bike for a week and think the bike handles great. The Pantour front hub
really improves the the handling at high speeds.

I met you at the Spring WHRIL ride and saw you again at the Sea Gull Century. I had a Rans V-Rex
which I sold and still have my Tour Easy. I just ordered a Barcroft Virginia GT and added a
fairing for even more speed.

Chuck Rockville, MD Tour Easy

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chuckezbentride said:

... I worked with Bill Cook with Barcroft and the price was $2600.00. He just developed a new mesh
seat that brings the total weight of the bike down to 24.5 pounds....

Is this the Rotator seat? [1]

[1] A somewhat obvious choice for reducing weight, since Rotator builds Barcroft framesets.

Tom Sherman - Various HPV's Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

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Bchuckezbentride said:

... I worked with Bill Cook with Barcroft and the price was $2600.00. He just developed a new mesh
seat that brings the total weight of the bike down to 24.5 pounds....

Is this the Rotator seat? [1]

[1] A somewhat obvious choice for reducing weight, since Rotator builds Barcroft framesets.

Tom Sherman - Various HPV's Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) [/B]

Yes, the seat back is slightly altered so it can be layed back more.

Chuck, I recall meeting you at both events. We met at the SalVal gym in Salisbury if I am not
mistaken. Thanks for the info about Bill's new seat. Sounds like you have a great bike on the
way! Enjoy!

Jim Reilly Reading, PA