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  1. Hi all, just to say thanks for all those who gave suggestions on where I
    went on my first trip to the Brecon Beacons National Park. Here's a quick
    precis on my travels.

    *************
    Tuesday 10th July.
    Left opticians at 10am and drove to Brecon via Cheltenham and Great Malvern
    where I climbed to the highest points in Gloucestershire and Worcestershire.
    Or so I thought. If I'd checked the map more closely I would have realised
    the top of Cleeve Hill is not at the lookout point but at the trig point
    nearer the car park. Sod, will have to go back. Nice views though!
    Worcestershire Beacon is dead easy to get up and the views are great. Shame
    the two pubs I came out by on the way down were both closed for the
    afternoon.
    Arrived YHA Brecon (Groessffordd) about 8pm.

    *********************
    Wednesday 11th July.
    Expected good weather and it damn well was! Clear blue skies most of the day
    and I got sunburn. Left hostel at 9am, arrived 9.30 in car park at SO 023247
    which was once an Army training camp. Headed up the north ridge to
    Pen-y-Fan, reaching the top by 12.15pm.

    Across to Cribyn and then stopped for lunch at the motorway junction where
    the north-south path from Brecon to the Reservoirs crosses the east-west
    mountain paths. Whilst munching my sandwiches I spotted 50+ soldiers on a
    route march from Cribyn and up Fan-y-Big with full packs and weapons with 2
    more smaller groups of troops on other routes. Add to that loads of other
    walkers like me and it's easy to see how the paths get so eroded and need
    rebuilding as I saw one guy doing.

    On top of FyB where the gusty winds put me off posing on the sticking out
    rock and then across to Waun Rydd. On the way there I diverted to the
    memorial to the Canadian crewmen who died in their Wellington bomber, R1465,
    when they crashed on 6th July 1942. Hard to imagine the cloudy conditions
    they suffered in on such a beautiful day.

    As I headed down from Waun Rydd I felt it was getting late and I wanted to
    be back in time for a pub dinner so I went down the valley side hoping to
    find the path, but had no luck in the waist high ferns and had to hop a
    couple of fences to get onto the bridleway. From SO 065241 I had a roadmarch
    back to the car of approx 5km, managed to get back to the hostel for dinner
    by 8pm.

    Thursday 12th July.
    As clouds were low and the rain was constantly spitting down I opted to go
    to the Ystradfellte waterfalls. Unfortunately, so did the rest of the hostel
    inhabitants! Mostly schoolkids on a geology trip.
    Was fairly easy going with some tricky damp parts and I was walking slower
    as I was rather tired from the previous days 21km and 1165m of
    ascent/descent.
    Got to the actual falls by 12noon and it was obvious I shouldn't go that way
    because of a profusion of warning signs and tape. Apparently there's some
    loose overhead rocks which may get you as you walk under the falls. I
    ignored the signs as they were out of date ('Path closed 6th June 2007 for a
    period not exceeding 21 days'😉, later on I saw a more up to date sign in a
    carpark detailing the closure for at least the next 6 months.

    Tis a steep climb down and up again but the actual feeling of being under
    such a massive spray of roaring water is fantastic.

    I eventually arrived in Pontneddfechan at 2.50pm but the pub landlady lived
    up to the pubs name (The Angel! - but cash payments only) and let me order
    lunch even though they stopped orders at half two. I had stopped to explore
    the gunpowder factory ruins at SN919084 which have a wonderful feeling of
    desolation.

    From the pub I followed the river north and then east to Pont Melin Fach
    where the car park sign said it was locked from 6pm till 9am every day. As I
    had a fair way to go along slippery riversides and it was gone 5pm I
    panicked and chose to hit the road. I even managed to get a lift the last
    mile only to find that I had worried over nothing, the carpark at SN928123
    is open all night.

    Ended the day with a tasty meal in the Three Horseshoes in Groesfford, Butty
    Bach a good drop to wash the Chilli con Carne and Chips down with.

    Friday 13th July was a total washout so I spent the day looking around
    Brecon, the Cathedral, the shops and the South Wales Borderers Regimental
    Museum with its large collection of Zulu War weapons. Went on to Hay on Wye
    for books and looked for the top of Hay Bluff from the car but decided to
    return on a less wet and misty day!

    Nick

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  2. Nick Pedley said:

    On the way there I diverted to
    the memorial to the Canadian crewmen who died in their Wellington
    bomber, R1465, when they crashed on 6th July 1942. Hard to imagine
    the cloudy conditions they suffered in on such a beautiful day.

    Not for me it isn't!

    Quoted message said:

    As I headed down from Waun Rydd I felt it was getting late and I
    wanted to be back in time for a pub dinner so I went down the valley
    side hoping to find the path, but had no luck in the waist high ferns
    and had to hop a couple of fences to get onto the bridleway. From SO
    065241 I had a roadmarch back to the car of approx 5km, managed to
    get back to the hostel for dinner by 8pm.

    Not easy to plan a good route back from there, is it?

    Quoted message said:

    Thursday 12th July.
    As clouds were low and the rain was constantly spitting down I opted
    to go to the Ystradfellte waterfalls. Unfortunately, so did the rest
    of the hostel inhabitants! Mostly schoolkids on a geology trip.

    There's always lots of people there, you can't avoid them.

    Where did you start from? (Oh, I see later that it was Porth yr Ogof.)

    Quoted message said:

    Got to the actual falls by 12noon

    Which actual falls? Your description is a bit vague here. (must have been
    Sgwd Clun Gwyn)

    Quoted message said:

    and it was obvious I shouldn't go
    that way because of a profusion of warning signs and tape. Apparently
    there's some loose overhead rocks which may get you as you walk under
    the falls. I ignored the signs as they were out of date ('Path closed
    6th June 2007 for a period not exceeding 21 days'😉, later on I saw a
    more up to date sign in a carpark detailing the closure for at least
    the next 6 months.

    I'm really not sure where you are now. Is this Sgwd yr Eira by any chance?
    If it is, how can they "close" the falls? There's no other way around if
    you're doing the full walk, unless you wade through the river of course, (or
    rock hop if it's low).

    Quoted message said:

    Tis a steep climb down and up again but the actual feeling of being
    under such a massive spray of roaring water is fantastic.

    Sounds like Sgwd yr Eira. Was there a lot of water at the time then?

    Quoted message said:

    I had
    stopped to explore the gunpowder factory ruins at SN919084 which have
    a wonderful feeling of desolation.

    It's been a very long time since I've been there, I can't remember it at all
    in fact.

    So did you follow the river back from Sgwd yr Eira? That's not the usual
    route, you should climb out of the valley and follow the footpath back. A
    lot of that valley has no footpaths and is very awkward in places,
    especially if you have to cross the river. Did you cross the river? Which
    bank of the river did you walk down?

    Quoted message said:

    From the pub I followed the river north and then east to Pont Melin
    Fach where the car park sign said it was locked from 6pm till 9am
    every day.

    Jeez! Why do they do this? Another good parking spot ruined! I've often
    parked there and returned long after 6pm. Porth yr Ogof was a nice spot to
    park too until they turned it into a commercial enterprise, charging 4
    bloody quid a time! I mean, I wouldn't object to 1 quid, for an hour or two
    in the caves, but £4? That's just taking the p.

    Quoted message said:

    As I had a fair way to go along slippery riversides and it
    was gone 5pm I panicked and chose to hit the road.

    It's usual to follow the road from there, but there's no real need to
    (depending on where you parked). There are reasonable paths back to Porth yr
    Ogof provided your navigation is up to scratch, and less distance too.

    Quoted message said:

    I even managed to
    get a lift the last mile only to find that I had worried over
    nothing, the carpark at SN928123 is open all night.

    Yeah. Why the hell have the started closing Pont Melin Fach? To stop
    midnight picnickers perhaps? Or people camping there?

    Did you take a look at Porth yr Ogof while you were there? There's some pics
    on my blog from a few days ago if you're interested. I was there the day
    before you.

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk/
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk/weblog/
    Latest Blog Post: Swansea Valley Clouds
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk/weblog/pic-of-the-day/swansea-valley-clouds/

  3. "Nick Pedley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Wednesday 11th July.
    Expected good weather and it damn well was! Clear blue skies most of the
    day and I got sunburn. Left hostel at 9am, arrived 9.30 in car park at SO
    023247 which was once an Army training camp. Headed up the north ridge to
    Pen-y-Fan, reaching the top by 12.15pm.

    Excellent! Was at the army camp for a week Easter 1969 with the school cadet
    force. Could never remember where it was exactly. That was it! Another loose
    end tied.

    --
    Bob Mannix
    (anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

  4. In message <[email hidden]>, Bob Mannix
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:


    "Nick Pedley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Wednesday 11th July.
    Expected good weather and it damn well was! Clear blue skies most of the
    day and I got sunburn. Left hostel at 9am, arrived 9.30 in car park at SO
    023247 which was once an Army training camp. Headed up the north ridge to
    Pen-y-Fan, reaching the top by 12.15pm.

    Excellent! Was at the army camp for a week Easter 1969 with the school cadet
    force. Could never remember where it was exactly. That was it! Another loose
    end tied.


    Cwm Gwdi maybe?
    --
    Bill Grey

  5. "Bill Grey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In message <[email hidden]>, Bob Mannix
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:


    "Nick Pedley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Wednesday 11th July.
    Expected good weather and it damn well was! Clear blue skies most of the
    day and I got sunburn. Left hostel at 9am, arrived 9.30 in car park at
    SO
    023247 which was once an Army training camp. Headed up the north ridge
    to
    Pen-y-Fan, reaching the top by 12.15pm.

    Excellent! Was at the army camp for a week Easter 1969 with the school
    cadet
    force. Could never remember where it was exactly. That was it! Another
    loose
    end tied.


    Cwm Gwdi maybe?
    --
    Bill Grey

    That's the place, there's a large explanatory sign about the sites military
    use since the Brecknockshire Volunteers practiced there a few centuries ago.
    You are told not to pick up any strange objects as they might be unexploded
    mortar shells or tracer rounds....
    Is it pronounced Koom Goody?

    Nick

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  6. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Nick Pedley said:

    As I headed down from Waun Rydd I felt it was getting late and I
    wanted to be back in time for a pub dinner so I went down the valley
    side hoping to find the path, but had no luck in the waist high ferns
    and had to hop a couple of fences to get onto the bridleway. From SO
    065241 I had a roadmarch back to the car of approx 5km, managed to
    get back to the hostel for dinner by 8pm.

    Not easy to plan a good route back from there, is it?

    No. But I could see little choice when planning and frankly, it was better
    than walking to and from the hostel.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Thursday 12th July.
    As clouds were low and the rain was constantly spitting down I opted
    to go to the Ystradfellte waterfalls. Unfortunately, so did the rest
    of the hostel inhabitants! Mostly schoolkids on a geology trip.

    There's always lots of people there, you can't avoid them.


    Porth yr Ogof was the car park I started from.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Got to the actual falls by 12noon

    Which actual falls? Your description is a bit vague here. (must have been
    Sgwd Clun Gwyn)

    Is it this one? This is not the 'actual falls' I meant but was impressive
    none the less.
    http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z181/Baloonick/Walking/July07045.jpg

    http://tinyurl.com/3aam76 BBNPA website about waterfall access closure.

    Sgwd yr Eira has been closed off by order of the National Park Authority and
    counter signed by the Welsh Assembly member responsible, according to the
    many signs. Loose overhanging rock is the main reason. The car park/info
    centre guy told me that "officially, it was closed off to the public".
    You are expected to divert over the footbridge at SN 924111 and head south
    via some organic farm. Or return to the car park thru the woods.
    I chose to ignore all that and walked over the barriers at both sides of the
    gorge, walking under the falls in the process. I was followed by a lady
    walker who was too scared to try it herself but waved as I walked off!

    As it was my first visit I can't really tell how heavy the flow was but it
    seemed like a lot. TBH I could have forded the stream as it looked just
    above ankle deep most of the way across.

    As I got further south, high above the Afon Mellte to my right, I was fairly
    confident in my navigation till the path forked at SN 919082, a passing
    group leader said I could go to my right (north) and I'm glad I did as I
    ended up at a ruined settlement/factory which always interests me.
    He was taking the kids to jump in the old factory weir pool for fun....

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I had
    stopped to explore the gunpowder factory ruins at SN919084 which have
    a wonderful feeling of desolation.


    The river below is the Afon Nedd. But you knew that!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From the pub I followed the river north and then east to Pont Melin
    Fach where the car park sign said it was locked from 6pm till 9am
    every day.

    Jeez! Why do they do this? Another good parking spot ruined! I've often
    parked there and returned long after 6pm. Porth yr Ogof was a nice spot to
    park too until they turned it into a commercial enterprise, charging 4
    bloody quid a time! I mean, I wouldn't object to 1 quid, for an hour or
    two in the caves, but £4? That's just taking the p.


    I thought it was a bit steep too but as it barely dented my budget and
    matched my needs.....

    Quoted message said:

    Yeah. Why the hell have the started closing Pont Melin Fach? To stop
    midnight picnickers perhaps? Or people camping there?


    Who knows? (apart from the Park Authority)

    Quoted message said:

    Did you take a look at Porth yr Ogof while you were there? There's some
    pics on my blog from a few days ago if you're interested. I was there the
    day before you.


    No, I didn't but now wish I had. I fully intend to go there when I return,
    hopefully later this year.

    Nick

    Quoted message said:

    Paul
    --
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    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk/weblog/
    Latest Blog Post: Swansea Valley Clouds
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  7. In message <[email hidden]>, Nick Pedley
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Is it pronounced Koom Goody?

    very Close :-) It means Owl Valley at least until someone proved me
    wrong :-)
    --
    Bill Grey

  8. Nick Pedley said:

    Porth yr Ogof was the car park I started from.

    Right. There are other plenty of other places you can park that don't cost
    anything.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Which actual falls? Your description is a bit vague here. (must have
    been Sgwd Clun Gwyn)

    Is it this one? This is not the 'actual falls' I meant but was
    impressive none the less.
    http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z181/Baloonick/Walking/July07045.jpg

    No, that's Sgwd Isaf Clun Gwyn.
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk/weblog/pic-of-the-day/sgwd-isaf-clun-gwyn/

    The first fall from the north is Sgwd Clun Gwyn.
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk/weblog/pic-of-the-day/pete-at-sgwd-clun-gwyn/

    Yes, Sgwd Isaf Clun Gwyn is impressive, probably the second best fall IMO,
    Sgwd Einion Gam being the best IMO. Did you get to that one? (most people
    don't)
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk/ww/october/october28.html

    Quoted message said:

    http://tinyurl.com/3aam76 BBNPA website about waterfall access
    closure.

    Ta.

    Quoted message said:

    You are expected to divert over the footbridge at SN 924111 and head
    south via some organic farm. Or return to the car park thru the woods.
    I chose to ignore all that and walked over the barriers at both sides
    of the gorge, walking under the falls in the process.

    Good for you! I assume you are a responsible experienced walker capable of
    doing your own risk assessment. :-)

    Quoted message said:

    I was followed
    by a lady walker who was too scared to try it herself but waved as I
    walked off!

    Her choice. Which is as it should be. She obviously assessed the risk
    differently. There's no right or wrong here, just factors to consider and
    choices to make. I don't believe that the nanny state should make these
    choices for you, not out in the wilds anyway.

    Quoted message said:

    As it was my first visit I can't really tell how heavy the flow was
    but it seemed like a lot.

    I can't say. I was at PYO the day before and the river wasn't deep, but
    those rivers rise very quickly after rain so it could have been a lot worse
    than what I saw. From what you say about the spray it sounds like a fair bit
    of water was coming over the fall. When the river is low you don't get
    sprayed.

    Quoted message said:

    TBH I could have forded the stream as it
    looked just above ankle deep most of the way across.

    It may have been okay then. But of course, the rocks can be very slippery
    and you wouldn't want to slip and be carried downstream by the current. It's
    not obvious from the map, but there's a whole series of falls (nearly a
    dozen) that plummet into a steep-sided gorge just a short distance
    downstream. I can't think of a worse place to be swept into.

    Quoted message said:

    As I got further south, high above the Afon Mellte to my right, I was
    fairly confident in my navigation till the path forked at SN 919082,

    I've never actually noticed that fork, although I have camped in the area
    near where the FB is marked. There was no FB at the time though.

    Quoted message said:

    a passing group leader said I could go to my right (north) and I'm
    glad I did as I ended up at a ruined settlement/factory which always
    interests me.

    I really must go back there.

    Quoted message said:

    He was taking the kids to jump in the old factory weir pool for
    fun....

    Oh, the factory owners built the weir, did they?

    Quoted message said:

    The river below is the Afon Nedd. But you knew that!

    Of course! :-)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    £4? That's just taking the p.


    I thought it was a bit steep too but as it barely dented my budget and
    matched my needs.....

    Well next time, be aware that there are plenty of other parking places
    around the circuit that don't cost anything.

    There's a story behind the PYO car park, by the way. At one time it was a
    popular place for thieves to break into cars to nick gear. The police
    apparently knew about it but did nothing. So a group of
    walkers/climbers/cavers (not sure which) decided to lay a trap. They parked
    a car there full of outdoor gear, then lay in wait in the bushes, with a
    camera. The thieves turned up, broke the window and stole the gear.
    Meanwhile, they were taking photos of all this, including the registration
    plate of the car. They took the evidence to the police, who followed it up
    and broke a gear stealing crime ring.

    Since then, the NP decided to post a car park attendant there to watch over
    the cars, charging £1 for parking. Fair enough, but since then they've
    obviously expanded this into a commercial operation and now there's a bloody
    shop there and they're charging £4 a time! Bloody tourism! I've got nothing
    against it, but keep it in the towns and villages please!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Did you take a look at Porth yr Ogof while you were there? There's
    some pics on my blog from a few days ago if you're interested. I was
    there the day before you.


    No, I didn't but now wish I had. I fully intend to go there when I
    return, hopefully later this year.

    Well if you fancy crawling around the caves and getting mucky, send me an
    email. Although it's best to go in there when it's dry.

    Paul
    --
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    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk/weblog/
    Latest Blog Post: Porth yr Ogof Caves
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk/weblog/pic-of-the-day/porth-yr-ogof-caves/

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    In message <[email hidden]>, Bob Mannix
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    "Nick Pedley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Wednesday 11th July.
    Expected good weather and it damn well was! Clear blue skies most of the
    day and I got sunburn. Left hostel at 9am, arrived 9.30 in car park at
    SO
    023247 which was once an Army training camp. Headed up the north ridge
    to
    Pen-y-Fan, reaching the top by 12.15pm.

    Excellent! Was at the army camp for a week Easter 1969 with the school
    cadet
    force. Could never remember where it was exactly. That was it! Another
    loose
    end tied.


    Cwm Gwdi maybe?
    --

    It were a long time ago but yes, it rings a bell. Bloody freezing Nissen
    huts and fecking cold hills! But it made men of us. Well I made the last bit
    up but it sounded good!

    --
    Bob Mannix
    (anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

    Quoted message said:

    Bill Grey

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