Bad waitress tricks

Sheldon said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ranee Mueller said:

As for the other idiotic practices the restaurants try to get away
with, well, it is more evidence that they need to do away with tips, pay
people a real wage and keep on top of their business more.

Regards,
Ranee

AGREED!!!!!!!!!!

Then you'd pay at least 30% more, there'd be no incentive for good
service, and wait people will net far less because no way, no how will
the proprietor pay the full amount of the food increase to the hired
help, and certainly not fairly... the ass kissers will receive higher
wages for less work. In the service industry tipping is the best way
to ensure good service and justly recompenses responsible workers. I
mean like yoose cheapo [censored] don't tip anyway, or so little may as
well be nothing, and there's no law says ya gotta tip... so why ya
[censored]'.

Personally I like to tip, same reason I like to pay high property
taxes.. keeps the riff raff out.

I work with the public, and I don't get tips unless I'm making
deliveries. I reamin cheerful and helpful regardless. It's not about
money, it's about work ethic, no matter what the pay.

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Peter Aitken said:

This thread got me thinking - I sure we have all seen signs at quickie
marts - "No $50 or $100 bills accepted."

Gas and convenience stations have done this for years....nothing new
here.

Moral of the story...you buy the business and then YOU get to make up
the rules.

Goomba38 said:

Melba's Jammin said:

Oh, calm down! LOL!
We usually pay with plastic and put the tip on the card. Problem solved.

As I usually do too, but I wonder at times if the waitstaff prefers cash
or card? Does it short change them in any way to have it put on the
card? Anyone know?
Goomba

AFAIK, tips put on a credit card are paid out the same as cash tips. How
that particular establishment requires the waitstaff to tip out varies.
I suppose if a waiter/ess gets most of their tips on credit cards, it
would mean they would have to pay taxes on those tips, whereas if more
of those tips were cash, they might be actually making more than what
the government assumes they will be making in tips, but not claim them
as income.

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disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
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what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
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Quoted message said:

Melba's Jammin said:

Oh, calm down! LOL!
We usually pay with plastic and put the tip on the card. Problem solved.

As I usually do too, but I wonder at times if the waitstaff prefers cash
or card? Does it short change them in any way to have it put on the card?
Anyone know?
Goomba

Many restaurants deduct the bank's credit card fee from the waitress' tips.
They do prefer cash.

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Quoted message said:

We went out to dinner tonight to a local place. When it came time to
pay, I needed the waitress to make change so I could tip her. She came
back with a five and a ten, and muttered something about "sorry, no
change." Grrr. Five bucks was less than 15 percent, but even though
she wasn't a spectacular waitress, I didn't want to leave that little.
We go to this place often, and we've had this waitress before. But the
full $10 was more than 20 percent and that bugged me. Half of me was
thinking she was just a little too dumb to understand that I needed
the singles for the tip, but the other half of me was thinking that
she was pushing me to make the choice between the $5 and the $10 and
figuring she'd get the better tip.

Considering I specifically asked her to make change, I was more
annoyed than when a server has come back with just big bills. The
smart ones will usually break at least one of the bills down so you've
got a ten, a five, and singles instead of a twenty, but sometimes they
just come back with the change in whatever form is easiest. But I
don't think I've ever asked someone to make change and had them say
there was none.

I did some waitressing when I was a teenager, and one of the things I
learned early was that you made sure the customer had good change to
leave a tip.

In this case, DH went to the cash register and got change. Didn't seem
to be a shortage there. Next time we go there, I'll make sure I've got
the right change for tipping.

We eat out every Sunday and we know approx what it costs. We always
make sure we have enough change to give a proper tip.

Ophelia

Doug Kanter said:

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Quoted message said:

Melba's Jammin said:

Oh, calm down! LOL!
We usually pay with plastic and put the tip on the card. Problem solved.

As I usually do too, but I wonder at times if the waitstaff prefers cash
or card? Does it short change them in any way to have it put on the card?
Anyone know?
Goomba

Many restaurants deduct the bank's credit card fee from the waitress' tips.
They do prefer cash.

Is that legal? Where I work, and at the pizza shop next door, and at the
restaurant across the way, tips are paid out directly to the employee
earning them. The onus for the credit card fee is on the business, not
the employee!

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disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

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what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
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Doug Kanter said:

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Quoted message said:

Melba's Jammin' wrote:

>Oh, calm down! LOL!
>We usually pay with plastic and put the tip on the card. Problem
>solved.

As I usually do too, but I wonder at times if the waitstaff prefers cash
or card? Does it short change them in any way to have it put on the card?
Anyone know?
Goomba

Many restaurants deduct the bank's credit card fee from the waitress'
tips. They do prefer cash.

Is that legal? Where I work, and at the pizza shop next door, and at the
restaurant across the way, tips are paid out directly to the employee
earning them. The onus for the credit card fee is on the business, not the
employee!

saerah

I don't know if it's legal, but it happens.

Melba's Jammin said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote:
(snip)

Quoted message said:

[censored]. In no way whatsoever is it the responsibility of the
waitperson to make change (you think it's a friggin' bank), it's always
ultimately the patron's responsibility to have their own change when
they go out to eat.

Quoted message said:

We usually pay with plastic and put the tip on the card. Problem solved.

I don't like your method, even on the few occasions that I do pay with
plastic I still tip in cash... the server is entitled to receive their
tip in CASH, in HAND, and when service is rendered. Obviously you
never worked a job where tips were the major portion of your income.

Those who *choose* to use cash are obligated to have proper funds... I
choose to pay with green money, I can't remember the last time I
required change back at a restaurant. As a cash person I know it's
ABCs basic to carry cash in proper denominations so that I never need
to receive change back (just like your plastic). And as I've said many
times previously, I ALWAYS place the tip directly into the server's
hand, I NEVER leave it on the table (and would never dine anywhere
where the gratuity is included). I hand over the tip when the bill
arrives... I knew what my bill will be when I placed the order, don't
really need to see the bill to figure the tip... I pay the server
before I pay the house. Service and merchandise are two separate
transactions.... the tip is wages same as if the server were in my
employ, in fact they are. It's none of the bosses beeswax how much I
tip, that's between me and the server. And I'm a very good tipper,
places I frequent know it, in fact I generally get the same waitress
all the time and get attended to as soon as I walk in the door. And
yes, call it what you will, but I do indeed tip well for cleavage... I
consider T & A an important part of my dining pleasure... otherwise I'd
eat at home, I really don't need anyone to cook for me... but I do
enjoy my meal much more a la bazooms... and there are no pretentions
about it, I know and so does she... a little innocent ogling creates a
much more enjoyable experience, for me and for her. There is no law
forbidding looking... women do it too, and far more than men. The
trick is to know how without being cheap/tawdry.

Sheldon

salgud said:

-L. said:

Gregory Morrow said:

I've had cabdrivers do similar here in Chicago by claiming "I don't have
change for a twenty...".

They do that [censored] in Mexico too. If you ever go to Mexico bring a ton
of $1 with you.

Quoted message said:

I mean come on, it's not like a twenty is a real
rare commodity anymore. In these particular cases I'll make the cabdriver
go in somewhere and GET change AFTER the meter is turned off; I'll make a
point of not tipping and if he's especially surly I'll report him...

The vast majority of cabbies that pull this stunt are Middle Easterners, I
mean hey, this AIN'T Damascus...

Oh, you've done a scientific study? Or are you just another rfc racist
[censored]?
-L.

By now, L, you should know that us white folks never cheat or lie. Just
them thar people of color! Just ask Ken Lay, Andrew Fastow, or dozens
of other honest white businessmen. I'm sure the cabbies are the same!

yeah but..... their schemes were a little more meticulously worked out to make
megabucks and avoid detection. The "no change" gimmick is just a cheap scam....
and widespread. I realize that some people just try to be too damned PC to admit
the truth.

D.Currie said:

On the other hand, last time we had this same waitress, she screwed
something up, told us she'd give us a free round of drinks, but the drinks
were on the bill anyway. Every other waiter/waitress we've ever had has been
much better than this one. She's relatively new (but not a youngster,
btw) -- in fact, *waitresses* here are relatively new -- up until recently,
they only had waiters at theis particular restaurant. I figure either she'll
get better or quit.

Hold on a sec. You ask her for change (so you can leave a tip) and she
conveniently runs out of change (hoping you will leave the larger tip.... and
you do. She tells you that she is giving you a free round of drinks and then
charges you for them. ?????

Holy cow. Do you have a big tattoo across your forehead that says "Sucker" ?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Sheldon said:

Melba's Jammin said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote:
(snip)

Quoted message said:

[censored]. In no way whatsoever is it the responsibility of the
waitperson to make change (you think it's a friggin' bank), it's always
ultimately the patron's responsibility to have their own change when
they go out to eat.

Quoted message said:

We usually pay with plastic and put the tip on the card. Problem solved.

I don't like your method, even on the few occasions that I do pay with
plastic I still tip in cash... the server is entitled to receive their
tip in CASH, in HAND, and when service is rendered. Obviously you
never worked a job where tips were the major portion of your income.

Those who *choose* to use cash are obligated to have proper funds... I
choose to pay with green money, I can't remember the last time I
required change back at a restaurant. As a cash person I know it's
ABCs basic to carry cash in proper denominations so that I never need
to receive change back (just like your plastic). And as I've said many
times previously, I ALWAYS place the tip directly into the server's
hand, I NEVER leave it on the table (and would never dine anywhere
where the gratuity is included). I hand over the tip when the bill
arrives... I knew what my bill will be when I placed the order, don't
really need to see the bill to figure the tip... I pay the server
before I pay the house. Service and merchandise are two separate
transactions.... the tip is wages same as if the server were in my
employ, in fact they are. It's none of the bosses beeswax how much I
tip, that's between me and the server. And I'm a very good tipper,
places I frequent know it, in fact I generally get the same waitress
all the time and get attended to as soon as I walk in the door. And
yes, call it what you will, but I do indeed tip well for cleavage... I
consider T & A an important part of my dining pleasure... otherwise I'd
eat at home, I really don't need anyone to cook for me... but I do
enjoy my meal much more a la bazooms... and there are no pretentions
about it, I know and so does she... a little innocent ogling creates a
much more enjoyable experience, for me and for her. There is no law
forbidding looking... women do it too, and far more than men. The
trick is to know how without being cheap/tawdry.

Sheldon

Well written. ;-)
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

"Goomba38" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Melba's Jammin said:

Oh, calm down! LOL!
We usually pay with plastic and put the tip on the card. Problem solved.

As I usually do too, but I wonder at times if the waitstaff prefers cash
or card? Does it short change them in any way to have it put on the card?
Anyone know?
Goomba

I seldom use a credit card at a restaurant unless it's a business expense,
and that's just because it's easier to track and harder to forget to deduct.

As a business owner, I can tell you that I always prefer cash. Credit card
fees eat into profits, and balancing the credit card statements (three of
them --separate ones for visa/mc. discover, and amex) against the bank
statements can be a nightmare. And credit cards can be stolen or disputed,
which is yet another pain in the [censored]. Checks have to be deposited and they
can bounce, and they can be stolen or forged. Cash is just easier to deal
with.

Donna

"Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"D.Currie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

We went out to dinner tonight to a local place. When it came time to pay,
I needed the waitress to make change so I could tip her. She came back
with a five and a ten, and muttered something about "sorry, no change."
Grrr. Five bucks was less than 15 percent, but even though she wasn't a
spectacular waitress, I didn't want to leave that little. We go to this
place often, and we've had this waitress before. But the full $10 was
more than 20 percent and that bugged me. Half of me was thinking she was
just a little too dumb to understand that I needed the singles for the
tip, but the other half of me was thinking that she was pushing me to
make the choice between the $5 and the $10 and figuring she'd get the
better tip.

Considering I specifically asked her to make change, I was more annoyed
than when a server has come back with just big bills. The smart ones will
usually break at least one of the bills down so you've got a ten, a five,
and singles instead of a twenty, but sometimes they just come back with
the change in whatever form is easiest. But I don't think I've ever asked
someone to make change and had them say there was none.

I did some waitressing when I was a teenager, and one of the things I
learned early was that you made sure the customer had good change to
leave a tip.

In this case, DH went to the cash register and got change. Didn't seem to
be a shortage there. Next time we go there, I'll make sure I've got the
right change for tipping.

We eat out every Sunday and we know approx what it costs. We always make
sure we have enough change to give a proper tip.

Ophelia

And if, on Sunday, you wanted to go out for breakfast but you didn't have
singles or coins enough to make the proper tip, you'd stay home?

Sheldon said:

Then you'd pay at least 30% more, there'd be no incentive for good
service, and wait people will net far less because no way, no how will
the proprietor pay the full amount of the food increase to the hired
help, and certainly not fairly..

[censored]. I have have terrific service in places where the menu price, usually
in nice round figures, includes the service and the tax, not the the American
and Canadian stunt of pricing things 1-5 cents short of a dollar amount and then
charging various taxes on top and expecting you to leave another 15% on top in
order to pay their employees. What you don't get is wait staff wearing stupid
"glitter" putting on some childishly phony friendly persona, telling them your
name and touching your arm and all those other tip generating behaviours.

Quoted message said:

In the service industry tipping is the best way
to ensure good service and justly recompenses responsible workers. I
mean like yoose cheapo [censored] don't tip anyway, or so little may as
well be nothing, and there's no law says ya gotta tip... so why ya
[censored]'.

Who is the cheapo [censored]? Is it the person who doesn't leave a tip (often for
reason), or is it the restaurant owner who pays such a paltry wage that servers
needs tips to earn a living wage? Is it the person who looks at the menu prices
and figures it is 15% cheaper down the street .... where he will be expected to
pay an extra 15% anyway?

Quoted message said:

Personally I like to tip, same reason I like to pay high property
taxes.. keeps the riff raff out.

LOL. Anyone who serves the likes of you has already let the riffraff in.

"Ward Abbott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Peter Aitken said:

This thread got me thinking - I sure we have all seen signs at quickie
marts - "No $50 or $100 bills accepted."

Gas and convenience stations have done this for years....nothing new
here.

Moral of the story...you buy the business and then YOU get to make up
the rules.

I've yet to see any business, with the exception of buses, where the rule is
that the customer must have exact change. I would say that in most retail
transactions, it's the exception, not the rule, where customers fish out
exact change for their purchases. I can understand not wanting to take large
bills, but what business do you know of that won't give the customer change
in a transaction?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Sheldon said:

much more enjoyable experience, for me and for her. There is no law
forbidding looking... women do it too, and far more than men. The
trick is to know how without being cheap/tawdry.

Sheldon

Damn! I'm found out! That's why God made dark glasses. "-)
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"If it's not worth doing to excess, it's not worth doing at all."

"Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

We eat out every Sunday and we know approx what it costs. We always make
sure we have enough change to give a proper tip.

Ophelia

It's not funny to me when there is about 10 minutes discussion after the
meal about how much tip to leave, who wants to leave the tip, etc., was the
service worth 15-20-25%. This happens a lot when we eat with f-i-l. It
doesn't matter if there is a prior decision about who's paying and who's
leaving the tip; it always happens. It's just part of the meal; getting
seated, ordering, eating, going to the restroom, and paying.
It doesn't matter if we tell the server on-the-sly to give us the bill, then
there's conversation "I'll take care of the tip" that we have to discuss
and --
Oh, well - you know, DH adds to this confusion.
One time wrestling with f-i-l for the bill; waitress put it down in the
middle after telling her to give it to me, the waitress said in a cute
little voice that she couldn't get into things like this. She's probably
right. It didn't make any difference whether she gave it to me or not as to
the size of the tip (perhaps that is what she was thinking) because then
comes the big decision as to who gets to tip.
So silly -- LOL -- I'm laughing about it now, but at the time it's a PITA.
Dee Dee

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We went out to dinner tonight to a local place. When it came time to
pay, I needed the waitress to make change so I could tip her. She
came back with a five and a ten, and muttered something about
"sorry, no change." Grrr. Five bucks was less than 15 percent, but
even though she wasn't a spectacular waitress, I didn't want to
leave that little. We go to this place often, and we've had this
waitress before. But the full $10 was more than 20 percent and that
bugged me. Half of me was thinking she was just a little too dumb to
understand that I needed the singles for the tip, but the other half
of me was thinking that she was pushing me to make the choice
between the $5 and the $10 and figuring she'd get the better tip.

Considering I specifically asked her to make change, I was more
annoyed than when a server has come back with just big bills. The
smart ones will usually break at least one of the bills down so
you've got a ten, a five, and singles instead of a twenty, but
sometimes they just come back with the change in whatever form is
easiest. But I don't think I've ever asked someone to make change
and had them say there was none.

I did some waitressing when I was a teenager, and one of the things
I learned early was that you made sure the customer had good change
to leave a tip.

In this case, DH went to the cash register and got change. Didn't
seem to be a shortage there. Next time we go there, I'll make sure
I've got the right change for tipping.

We eat out every Sunday and we know approx what it costs. We always
make sure we have enough change to give a proper tip.

Ophelia

And if, on Sunday, you wanted to go out for breakfast but you didn't
have singles or coins enough to make the proper tip, you'd stay home?

Not at all🙂) We always make sure we have change🙂 Really it isn't
rocket science🙂 We always have change to tip the paper boy too LOL.
Any one pound coins we get we put into a pot🙂

In article <[email hidden]>,

D.Currie said:

We went out to dinner tonight to a local place. When it came time to pay,

We were out for lunch today and stopped at a Cold Stone Creamery ice
cream place -- Rob had never had the experience of a $5 ice cream cone.
I ponied up two five-spots and she made the change and was about to (it
appeared to me) dump my 44 cents into the tip jar on the counter before
she saw my open palm to receive it.
(Answer: No, I didn't.)
--
-Barb
<www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 3-16-06, Sam I Am! Hamantaschen and
Peanut Butter cookies for Grandpa; Church Review #9, Musgovian Soup.
"If it's not worth doing to excess, it's not worth doing at all."

Ward Abbott said:

Peter Aitken said:

This thread got me thinking - I sure we have all seen signs at
quickie marts - "No $50 or $100 bills accepted."

Gas and convenience stations have done this for years....nothing new
here.

I guarantee that if you've pumped a tank of gas already, they'll figure
out a way to take your $100 bill. Of course, not many places let you
pump before paying these days.

Brian

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