Bad waitress tricks

The simple act of gaming your change to shill for a bigger tip
disqualified her from deserving any tip, and qualified her for firing
in most restaurants.

--Blair

Ophelia said:

Quoted message said:

And if, on Sunday, you wanted to go out for breakfast but you didn't
have singles or coins enough to make the proper tip, you'd stay home?

Not at all🙂) We always make sure we have change🙂 Really it isn't
rocket science🙂 We always have change to tip the paper boy too LOL.
Any one pound coins we get we put into a pot🙂

I was a paper boy. When I went out collecting I always made sure that I had
change because I expected that if I said I didn't have change I would be
told to come back when I did.

Sheldon said:

Melba's Jammin said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote:
(snip)

Quoted message said:

[censored]. In no way whatsoever is it the responsibility of the
waitperson to make change (you think it's a friggin' bank), it's always
ultimately the patron's responsibility to have their own change when
they go out to eat.

Quoted message said:

We usually pay with plastic and put the tip on the card. Problem solved.

I don't like your method, even on the few occasions that I do pay with
plastic I still tip in cash... the server is entitled to receive their
tip in CASH, in HAND, and when service is rendered. Obviously you
never worked a job where tips were the major portion of your income.

Those who *choose* to use cash are obligated to have proper funds... I
choose to pay with green money, I can't remember the last time I
required change back at a restaurant. As a cash person I know it's
ABCs basic to carry cash in proper denominations so that I never need
to receive change back (just like your plastic). And as I've said many
times previously, I ALWAYS place the tip directly into the server's
hand, I NEVER leave it on the table (and would never dine anywhere
where the gratuity is included). I hand over the tip when the bill
arrives... I knew what my bill will be when I placed the order, don't
really need to see the bill to figure the tip... I pay the server
before I pay the house. Service and merchandise are two separate
transactions.... the tip is wages same as if the server were in my
employ, in fact they are. It's none of the bosses beeswax how much I
tip, that's between me and the server. And I'm a very good tipper,
places I frequent know it, in fact I generally get the same waitress
all the time and get attended to as soon as I walk in the door. And
yes, call it what you will, but I do indeed tip well for cleavage... I
consider T & A an important part of my dining pleasure... otherwise I'd
eat at home, I really don't need anyone to cook for me... but I do
enjoy my meal much more a la bazooms... and there are no pretentions
about it, I know and so does she... a little innocent ogling creates a
much more enjoyable experience, for me and for her. There is no law
forbidding looking... women do it too, and far more than men. The
trick is to know how without being cheap/tawdry.

Sheldon

Let's face it, dogturd, it's the closest you'll ever get to the real
thing! And as for "cheap and tawdry", if you're there, it's cheap and
tawdry!

Dave Smith said:

salgud said:

-L. said:

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> I've had cabdrivers do similar here in Chicago by claiming "I don't have
> change for a twenty...".

They do that [censored] in Mexico too. If you ever go to Mexico bring a ton
of $1 with you.

>I mean come on, it's not like a twenty is a real
> rare commodity anymore. In these particular cases I'll make the cabdriver
> go in somewhere and GET change AFTER the meter is turned off; I'll make a
> point of not tipping and if he's especially surly I'll report him...
>
> The vast majority of cabbies that pull this stunt are Middle Easterners, I
> mean hey, this AIN'T Damascus...

Oh, you've done a scientific study? Or are you just another rfc racist
[censored]?
-L.

By now, L, you should know that us white folks never cheat or lie. Just
them thar people of color! Just ask Ken Lay, Andrew Fastow, or dozens
of other honest white businessmen. I'm sure the cabbies are the same!

yeah but..... their schemes were a little more meticulously worked out to make
megabucks and avoid detection. The "no change" gimmick is just a cheap scam....
and widespread. I realize that some people just try to be too damned PC to admit
the truth.

Yes, a cheap scam that only people of color do!

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D.Currie said:

On the other hand, last time we had this same waitress, she screwed
something up, told us she'd give us a free round of drinks, but the
drinks
were on the bill anyway. Every other waiter/waitress we've ever had has
been
much better than this one. She's relatively new (but not a youngster,
btw) -- in fact, *waitresses* here are relatively new -- up until
recently,
they only had waiters at theis particular restaurant. I figure either
she'll
get better or quit.

Hold on a sec. You ask her for change (so you can leave a tip) and she
conveniently runs out of change (hoping you will leave the larger tip....
and
you do. She tells you that she is giving you a free round of drinks and
then
charges you for them. ?????

Holy cow. Do you have a big tattoo across your forehead that says "Sucker"
?

I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt. There's a bit of a language
problem. Well, maybe a lot of a language problem.

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"D.Currie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> We went out to dinner tonight to a local place. When it came time to
> pay, I needed the waitress to make change so I could tip her. She came
> back with a five and a ten, and muttered something about "sorry, no
> change." Grrr. Five bucks was less than 15 percent, but even though she
> wasn't a spectacular waitress, I didn't want to leave that little. We
> go to this place often, and we've had this waitress before. But the
> full $10 was more than 20 percent and that bugged me. Half of me was
> thinking she was just a little too dumb to understand that I needed the
> singles for the tip, but the other half of me was thinking that she was
> pushing me to make the choice between the $5 and the $10 and figuring
> she'd get the better tip.
>
> Considering I specifically asked her to make change, I was more annoyed
> than when a server has come back with just big bills. The smart ones
> will usually break at least one of the bills down so you've got a ten,
> a five, and singles instead of a twenty, but sometimes they just come
> back with the change in whatever form is easiest. But I don't think
> I've ever asked someone to make change and had them say there was none.
>
> I did some waitressing when I was a teenager, and one of the things I
> learned early was that you made sure the customer had good change to
> leave a tip.
>
> In this case, DH went to the cash register and got change. Didn't seem
> to be a shortage there. Next time we go there, I'll make sure I've got
> the right change for tipping.

We eat out every Sunday and we know approx what it costs. We always
make sure we have enough change to give a proper tip.

Ophelia

And if, on Sunday, you wanted to go out for breakfast but you didn't have
singles or coins enough to make the proper tip, you'd stay home?

Not at all🙂) We always make sure we have change🙂 Really it isn't rocket
science🙂 We always have change to tip the paper boy too LOL. Any one
pound coins we get we put into a pot🙂

Well, I haven't reached that level of perfection yet.

Quite often my small bills and quarters go into my business's cash register
so I can give my customers change when they pay with larger bills. So I'm
much more likely to be carrying twenties than singles. It never dawned on me
that a business would have an issue with giving out change to customers.
Sometime you run out, but in my neighborhood, the nearby businesses would
often stop at each other's shops and ask to make change for a customer if
the register was short. And when you have a chance, you run to the bank.

I really fail to see why I need to carry exact change for a tip,
particularly when I don't know what the bill and tip are going to be. When I
was a waitress, I always had plenty of singles and change, so it never
really struck me as critical that I have exact change when I'm a customer at
a restaurant or any other business. I like to have the change when I go to a
restaurant, just because it's easier for me not to have to wait for change,
but I'm finding it interesting how many people think it's some sort of
"rule" that you have to have exact change.

"Blair P. Houghton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

The simple act of gaming your change to shill for a bigger tip
disqualified her from deserving any tip, and qualified her for firing
in most restaurants.

--Blair

I'm chalking it up to a language problem. She may very well have though
"change" meant "coins" and I didn't get any of those back.

Sheldon wrote:
I began delivering papers when I was 12 years old,

Quoted message said:

by 16 years old I learned all there was to learn about life. thanks to
the NY World Telegram and Sun and the Dalton sisters.

I'm trying to imagine what my life would be if I had learned all there
was to learn about life by the time I was 16. I think I'd have shot
myself out of boredom in 10 years or less.
ObFood: My favourite tofu grillers retired! WAHHHHHHH!

D.Currie said:

I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt. There's a bit of a language
problem. Well, maybe a lot of a language problem.

There's no language problem. She has read you like a book :-)

Sheldon said:

Melba's Jammin said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote:
(snip)

Quoted message said:

[censored]. In no way whatsoever is it the responsibility of the
waitperson to make change (you think it's a friggin' bank), it's always
ultimately the patron's responsibility to have their own change when
they go out to eat.

Quoted message said:

We usually pay with plastic and put the tip on the card. Problem solved.

I don't like your method, even on the few occasions that I do pay with
plastic I still tip in cash... the server is entitled to receive their
tip in CASH, in HAND, and when service is rendered. Obviously you
never worked a job where tips were the major portion of your income.

I wonder if this is a generational or regional thing. I never ever EVER carry
more than $40 cash on me. If I am depositing Money or hiting the atm I might
get $40 out for coffee or incidentals, but I don't carry any cash of
consequence on me and neither do any of my friends. We've talked about it and
we just think it's weird. I pay for just about everything with my debit card.
I don't like carrying cash on me, it's creepy.

Both my parents (dad from new jersey and mom from upstate new york) always
have larger sums of cash on them.

I first noticed this when I worked at the theatre. Generally, tickets would
sell from $50 to $70 each and it was rare to see anyone paying in cash and
there was a weird feeling whenever they did (not that they were weird, I just
think Minnesotans love their plastic more).

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ensenadajim said:

-L. said:

D.Currie said:

We went out to dinner tonight to a local place. When it came time
to pay, I needed the waitress to make change so I could tip her.
She came back with a five and a ten, and muttered something about
"sorry, no change." Grrr. Five bucks was less than 15 percent, but
even though she wasn't a spectacular waitress, I didn't want to
leave that little. We go to this place often, and we've had this
waitress before. But the full $10 was more than 20 percent and that
bugged me. Half of me was thinking she was just a little too dumb
to understand that I needed the singles for the tip, but the other
half of me was thinking that she was pushing me to make the choice
between the $5 and the $10 and figuring she'd get the better tip.

I would have left her the $5 and left. She asked for it.
-L.

My sentiments too.

jim

More than likely she was figuring it would be easier for Donna and her DH to
leave the higher tip than to go get change for themselves. It's an all too
common, not to mention blatantly obvious, ploy and it's irritating as hell.
I'd have left the $5 and told her on the way out "Sorry, didn't have change"
🙂

Jill

jmcquown said:

More than likely she was figuring it would be easier for Donna and her DH to
leave the higher tip than to go get change for themselves. It's an all too
common, not to mention blatantly obvious, ploy and it's irritating as hell.
I'd have left the $5 and told her on the way out "Sorry, didn't have change"
🙂

And don't forget to add that you asked her for it but she didn't bring it.

salgud said:

Restaurants are not banks. What does that have to do with anything?
Restaurants are businesses! When you are in business, you do everything
possible to make it easy for the customer.

You're right. I can't imagine any business not having change for
customers. A restaurant is no different.
The couple of times I've been somewhere that didn't have change, they
always apologized and said it was because of some strange circumstances.

Stacia

serene said:

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:41:45 -0600, Andy <q> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In that instance after paying and getting back the change, I would have
handed her the $5 directly and say "Thank you but talk to the chef, the
food tasted metallic."

Psychologically let it be a matter she can wrongfully take out on the
chef after you leave. No hard feelings between you and the waitress.

Quoted message said:

That's *horrible*. Have her blame someone for something they didn't
do, to keep "no hard feelings" between a customer and a server who
treated him badly? What kind of sense does that make?

I know, it's revolting. Andy's advocating making these two co-workers
mad at each other because he couldn't (hypothetically) 'fess up to why
he gave a smaller than normal tip. These people have to work with each
other every day. Plus lying about the food could get the cook in
trouble or fired.
Seriously, Andy, what are you thinking here?

Stacia

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

"Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

yes, call it what you will, but I do indeed tip well for cleavage... I
consider T & A an important part of my dining pleasure... otherwise I'd
eat at home, I really don't need anyone to cook for me... but I do
enjoy my meal much more a la bazooms... and there are no pretentions
about it, I know and so does she... a little innocent ogling creates a
much more enjoyable experience, for me and for her.

Quoted message said:

Well written. ;-)

For your sake, I hope you are joking. This is one of the more
disgusting things I've read on Usenet lately, and there's a lot of [censored]
on Usenet to choose from. It's good that someone tips an underpaid
waitress based on breast size? It's good to expect women to debase
themselves for a couple bucks in tip and "enjoy" it to boot?
The winky smiley meant you were joking. Right? Right?!

Stacia

Dave Smith said:

order to pay their employees. What you don't get is wait staff wearing
stupid "glitter"

It's called "flair" 😉 According to the movie "Office Space", anyway.

Quoted message said:

Who is the cheapo [censored]? Is it the person who doesn't leave a tip
(often for reason), or is it the restaurant owner who pays such a
paltry wage that servers needs tips to earn a living wage?

You said it. If waitstaff were paid appropriately then this tip
situation wouldn't exist. It sucks having to choose between tipping
because you know the server makes no money, or not tipping because you
don't want to feed into the current unfair system.

Stacia

Dave Smith said:

Ophelia said:

Quoted message said:

And if, on Sunday, you wanted to go out for breakfast but you didn't
have singles or coins enough to make the proper tip, you'd stay home?

Not at all🙂) We always make sure we have change🙂 Really it isn't
rocket science🙂 We always have change to tip the paper boy too LOL.
Any one pound coins we get we put into a pot🙂

I was a paper boy. When I went out collecting I always made sure that I had
change because I expected that if I said I didn't have change I would be
told to come back when I did.

Nonsense. What kind of change?!?!? I was a paper boy for 4 years, I
delivered more than 300 papers every day, by bicycle, I had three
routes in Brooklyn: both sides of Ocean Parkway from Ave. L to Kings
Highway, and E. 3rd St. from Ave. L to Kings Highway. The vast
majority of my customers were with me since day one. In all that time
I never missed a day. I was the exception, most kids were very
irresponsible, they didn't last more than a month or two, and many
didn't even deliver, they tossed the papers down the sewer. Every
Saturday was collection day. Each customer was a different story, some
left the money under the door mat, or in the milk box, etc... some
required I knock. But without exception none required change, why
would they... the weeks worth of papers came to a big 40¢... 5¢ each
weekday and 10¢ for the Sunday paper. When any of my customers was
going to be away for a few weeks they told me to not deliver but still
paid, in advance. Without exception every customer gave me $1 for the
week and wanted no change. I got good tips for Christmas too, at least
$5, many gave $10, a few gave me $25. My very best customer were the
Dalton sisters, a couple of 40 something year old spinsters, not only
did they tip well, one or both would answer the door wearing nothing
but a thin robe... I began delivering papers when I was 12 years old,
by 16 years old I learned all there was to learn about life. thanks to
the NY World Telegram and Sun and the Dalton sisters.

I also delivered prescription drugs for the corner Whalen's Drug Store
at 25¢ each delivery, I was all of 10 years old and delivering Rx
drugs... was a different world back then, in many ways a much better
world. I carried no change. They paid in cash in a sealed envelope,
my usual tip was 50¢... in those days half dollar coins were common.
During summers, along with my paper routes I also delivered groceries
with a truck bike (don't think I can pedal that sucker anymore).
Again, I didn't carry change, they knew the price and gave me the exact
amount, my tip was separate, often a case of deposit bottles. I'll
never forget one little old lady, about 70 years old, she'd make me
open her two bottles of Hoffman ginger ale and stuff a wad of toilet
paper into each, she had very arthritic hands. And yes, she was always
fully dressed. Besides, her apartment stunk so badly with that old
lady stench, I always tried to not breathe. LOL

Sheldon

salgud said:

Sheldon wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Just now counted the cash in my wallet:
$20 - eleven
$10 - two
$5 - three
$1 - twenty six

This is typical for me...

Oh, I also have a hundred and 2 fiftys in a secret compartment.

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Ok, everybody stand up, applaud, and say together, "We're impressed,
dogturd!"

After I stopped giggling at Sir Spendsalot bragging about his wad, I
realized that I really do NOT want to know more about his "secret
compartment". That stopped the giggling pretty quickly.

Stacia

(Glitter Ninja) said:

Seriously, Andy, what are you thinking here?

[snip]

I posted that before I saw your other post, Andy. As long as you know
you're completely insane, we're all in agreement 😉

Stacia
completely not insane, much

Glitter Ninja wrote:
:: serene <[email hidden]> writes:
::
::: On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:41:45 -0600, Andy <q> wrote:
::
:::: In that instance after paying and getting back the change, I
would have
:::: handed her the $5 directly and say "Thank you but talk to the
chef, the
:::: food tasted metallic."
::::
:::: Psychologically let it be a matter she can wrongfully take out on
the
:::: chef after you leave. No hard feelings between you and the
waitress.
::
::: That's *horrible*. Have her blame someone for something they
didn't
::: do, to keep "no hard feelings" between a customer and a server who
::: treated him badly? What kind of sense does that make?
::
:: I know, it's revolting. Andy's advocating making these two
co-workers
:: mad at each other because he couldn't (hypothetically) 'fess up to
why
:: he gave a smaller than normal tip. These people have to work with
each
:: other every day. Plus lying about the food could get the cook in
:: trouble or fired.
:: Seriously, Andy, what are you thinking here?
::
:: Stacia

All Andy's thinking about is what off topic joke he can post tomorrow.
He's not a member of the real world.

BOB

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