Basic navigational skills badly missing

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:24:49 -0000
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Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> wrote :

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AndyP said:

You could at least have joined in the game and suggested Hill
Emergency Rescue Operation if you don't like my own acronym ideas.

Luddite Outdoor Support Team ?

Arrogant Rescue Squad (for) Emergencies ?

;-)

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On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:10:30 +0100, "theo" <[email hidden]>

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"Bootlaces" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
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On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:22:41 +0100
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theo <[email hidden]> wrote :

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Message # 631

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Phew!
I managed to put the pin back in!

How dare you threathen the prime candidate for Longest & Most Pointless
thread of the year <g>.

#633
What does which dictionary say about the word "threathen" ? ;-)

How dare you anthropomorphise this thread, you GPS-less Canon-freak
(for some value of 'Canon', for some value of 'freak'😉 when I am
suffering from whiplash caused by being rammed by the gas-guzzling 4x4
belonging to the MRT, who mocked me in public for owning an old mobile
phone, after I tripped up on my new Grivel crampons, while suffering
from depression caused by Anquet's update policy, and being sued by
the OS for downloading a map from Edonkey while wearing a Petzl
headtorch and carrying redundant walking poles that I bought from
Blacks to impress PW only to find that SteveO was sticking up for her,
leaving me in the queue for Gordon's wife at the planet-destroying
Cairngorm funicular, only to discover that she, in life-threatening
cotton underpants, was a cake-baking Scouser who was having
simultaneous affairs with a Yorkshire peak-bagger and a pony-tailed
BMW driver, who had battled with GOMLs while crossing access land with
five Welsh children in a quest to meet a former surveyor, all of which
was photographed by a Swansea drug-addict in wellies and and an
American peacenik, who were scattering funereal ashes over the sites
of destroyed cairns built by unserious walkers whose batteries had
failed?
--

Paul Rooney

W. D. Grey said:

In article <[email hidden]>, AndyP
<[email hidden]> writes

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"W. D. Grey" <[email hidden]> wrote

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>I don't like the way they call themselves MRT. Given that there aren't

any

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>Mountains in this country and Rescue is a bit strong a word for helping
>someone who's scared of a bit of mist or has twisted their ankle and

can't

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>hack a little bit of pain I think a better title would be Small Hill
>Assistance Team.... SHAT.

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How little you know !

Sorry, "Assistance" was the best I could do. If you can think of an
appropriate word beginning with the letter "i" you're a better man than me.

Why not find out a bit more about MRT and think again.

Chill, Bill - this a wind-up/joke!
--

Paul Rooney

"Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Luddite Outdoor Support Team ?

Arrogant Rescue Squad (for) Emergencies ?

Hurrah! Someone with a sense of humour.

Wilderness Environment Lost (or) Lame Help And Rescue Department.

Wandering In Mountains Protection Squad.

"theo" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Sorry, "Assistance" was the best I could do. If you can think of an
appropriate word beginning with the letter "i" you're a better man than
me.

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Small Hill Intervention Team

Why didn't I think of that?

"AndyP" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Wilderness Environment Lost (or) Lame Help And Rescue Department.

Wandering In Mountains Protection Squad.

Countryside Rescue (and) Assistance Patrol

OK, I'll shut up now.

"Paul Rooney" <[email hidden]> wrote

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What does which dictionary say about the word "threathen" ? ;-)

How dare you anthropomorphise this thread, you GPS-less Canon-freak
(for some value of 'Canon', for some value of 'freak'😉 when I am
suffering from whiplash caused by being rammed by the gas-guzzling 4x4
belonging to the MRT, who mocked me in public for owning an old mobile
phone, after I tripped up on my new Grivel crampons, while suffering
from depression caused by Anquet's update policy, and being sued by
the OS for downloading a map from Edonkey while wearing a Petzl
headtorch and carrying redundant walking poles that I bought from
Blacks to impress PW only to find that SteveO was sticking up for her,
leaving me in the queue for Gordon's wife at the planet-destroying
Cairngorm funicular, only to discover that she, in life-threatening
cotton underpants, was a cake-baking Scouser who was having
simultaneous affairs with a Yorkshire peak-bagger and a pony-tailed
BMW driver, who had battled with GOMLs while crossing access land with
five Welsh children in a quest to meet a former surveyor, all of which
was photographed by a Swansea drug-addict in wellies and and an
American peacenik, who were scattering funereal ashes over the sites
of destroyed cairns built by unserious walkers whose batteries had
failed?

I agree with the above.

In message <[email hidden]>, AndyP
<[email hidden]> writes

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"AndyP" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Wilderness Environment Lost (or) Lame Help And Rescue Department.

Wandering In Mountains Protection Squad.

Countryside Rescue (and) Assistance Patrol

OK, I'll shut up now.

Bloody Old Rubbish In News Group

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In article <[email hidden]>, AndyP
<[email hidden]> writes

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"AndyP" <[email hidden]> wrote

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You could at least have joined in the game and suggested Hill Emergency
Rescue Operation if you don't like my own acronym ideas. MRT is hardly
snappy and needs updating.

Maybe I still need to point out that I was merely referring to the word MRT
in that last sentence and it was in no way intended as a slur on the good
people of the organisation in question.

It didn't come across like that, but I'm glad to hear it.
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

AndyP said:

"Paul Rooney" <[email hidden]> wrote

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What does which dictionary say about the word "threathen" ? ;-)

How dare you anthropomorphise this thread, you GPS-less Canon-freak
(for some value of 'Canon', for some value of 'freak'😉 when I am
suffering from whiplash caused by being rammed by the gas-guzzling 4x4
belonging to the MRT, who mocked me in public for owning an old mobile
phone, after I tripped up on my new Grivel crampons, while suffering
from depression caused by Anquet's update policy, and being sued by
the OS for downloading a map from Edonkey while wearing a Petzl
headtorch and carrying redundant walking poles that I bought from
Blacks to impress PW only to find that SteveO was sticking up for her,
leaving me in the queue for Gordon's wife at the planet-destroying
Cairngorm funicular, only to discover that she, in life-threatening
cotton underpants, was a cake-baking Scouser who was having
simultaneous affairs with a Yorkshire peak-bagger and a pony-tailed
BMW driver, who had battled with GOMLs while crossing access land with
five Welsh children in a quest to meet a former surveyor, all of which
was photographed by a Swansea drug-addict in wellies and and an
American peacenik, who were scattering funereal ashes over the sites
of destroyed cairns built by unserious walkers whose batteries had
failed?

I agree with the above.

<PLONK>!
--

Paul Rooney

In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Rooney
<[email hidden]> writes

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Chill, Bill - this a wind-up/joke!

Quite cool actually - sorry to wake you.
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

Martin Richardson <[email hidden]> wrote

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In message <[email hidden]>, AndyP
<[email hidden]> writes

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"AndyP" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Wilderness Environment Lost (or) Lame Help And Rescue Department.

Wandering In Mountains Protection Squad.

Countryside Rescue (and) Assistance Patrol

OK, I'll shut up now.

Bloody Old Rubbish In News Group

<Snigger>
--
Gordon Harris

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:08:42 +0000, Paul Rooney <[email hidden]>

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How dare you anthropomorphise this thread, you GPS-less Canon-freak
(for some value of 'Canon', for some value of 'freak'😉 when I am
suffering from whiplash caused by being rammed by the gas-guzzling 4x4
belonging to the MRT, who mocked me in public for owning an old mobile
phone, after I tripped up on my new Grivel crampons, while suffering
from depression caused by Anquet's update policy, and being sued by
the OS for downloading a map from Edonkey while wearing a Petzl
headtorch and carrying redundant walking poles that I bought from
Blacks to impress PW only to find that SteveO was sticking up for her,
leaving me in the queue for Gordon's wife at the planet-destroying
Cairngorm funicular, only to discover that she, in life-threatening
cotton underpants, was a cake-baking Scouser who was having
simultaneous affairs with a Yorkshire peak-bagger and a pony-tailed
BMW driver, who had battled with GOMLs while crossing access land with
five Welsh children in a quest to meet a former surveyor, all of which
was photographed by a Swansea drug-addict in wellies and and an
American peacenik, who were scattering funereal ashes over the sites
of destroyed cairns built by unserious walkers whose batteries had
failed?

Full marks for comprehension

AJH

W. D. Grey said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Rooney
<[email hidden]> writes

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Chill, Bill - this a wind-up/joke!

Quite cool actually - sorry to wake you.

Good man!
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Paul Rooney

W. D. Grey said:

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No, I didn't mean that one. The Afon Twrch is crossed at the western end
of the limestone area, SW of Fan Brycheiniog. It says "Ford" on the map
but it's just a point where the river is a bit wider and has a little island.

Grid Ref: SN 802 197

That's the one.

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I'm not sure about quarried bits - the one I meant was at SN 842 167

Yes, thought so. By quarried bits I meant the little gorge just upstream.
The steep sides of that valley don't look natural to me, more like some
early quarrying activity. The easy access from the pass would fit in as
well. But I'm not sure.

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the other river crossing near Sinc Giedd at SN 812 167 shown Ford on the
map is indeed the Giedd.

Hm, there's no river at that grid ref. The Giedd crossing at SN 811 185
is easy as most of it seems to run underground anyway.
--
Rudi Winter, Aberystwyth, Wales

Peter Clinch said:

SteveO wrote:

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Its also recognised today, at least by some, that your ankle stability
is significantly improved if you're used to wearing such as Tevas.
Plus, the Teva of yoday is a different beast from the sandal of 20
years go.

But the sandal of 20 years ago is probably at least as good as what your
typical Nepalese peasant wanders around far rougher terrain than we
typically do in. It's not the case of "what is best?" but "will what
I've got do?".

Is that also where "what can /I/ manage with?" would come into play?

....thinking about the ankle stability thing again.

I don't know absolutely how much of a real issue it is, but to me it
seems intiutively right that by wearing sandals (and I'm sticking to
you and I as western recreational outdoor folksies) your ankle
stability will improve.

Reducing your kit to the "lowest common denominator", or the least you
can get away with is something that most defintely comes intuitively
to those who gain more experience.

But then you can also get yourself in a right twirl if you think about
how best to consider a n00b's special (sic.) demands. The experienced
person can bring their expereince to bear, but the less experienced
don't have that as a base to build from... SWIM?

Hmm, making me dizzy just thinking about it.

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Hadn't thought of it like this, but what about the cascade effect on
promoting the second-hand market?

I don't think that's really a thing to factor into telling people what
they should take up a hill.

I was thinking about it thus possibly making it easier to get kit that
will make a difference.

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:00:40 -0000, "Nigel Cliffe" <[email hidden]>

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Peter Clinch said:

Promote GPS all you like by positive statements about what it does
well, fine. But pushing it by saying you're daft or a luddite to use
anything else or that nothing else measures up to the job then we're
into negative campaigning, and there just isn't any need for it.

I think there's a bit more to GPS than "just spend the £80 or whatever".
There is the minor matter of knowing how to set it up and how to use it.

Definitely and, tbh, I'd think you couldn't do it without the
map/compass knowledge.

I might be wrong on that, mind you because everyone I know that has a
GPS, uses it and came to it bringing map and compass skills - doesn't
mean that someone hasn't/can't get there without the background,
dunno???

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Setting up and using devices is a minefield for many people, the products
and manuals don't necessarily make it easy.

....and that's just the DVD player! ;-)

In article <[email hidden]>, Rudi Winter
<[email hidden]> writes

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the other river crossing near Sinc Giedd at SN 812 167 shown Ford on the
map is indeed the Giedd.

Hm, there's no river at that grid ref. The Giedd crossing at SN 811 185
is easy as most of it seems to run underground anyway.

Perfectly correct Rudi - I've checked in MM at 1:25,000 and see that the
easting for the ford is SN 81167. I must have given the first three
figures as the easting and then the last three of the same number as the
northing. (doh !)

A simple mistake but it is always worth measuring twice and cutting
once :-)

If you round up the 10 figure refs to a 6 fig ref it could read. SN 812
186 as per your figure.
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:08:42 +0000, Paul Rooney <[email hidden]>

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How dare you anthropomorphise this thread, you

<snip>

Oi, Rooney.

Good job I can't find any reference to my good self in that rant of
yours, or I'd come and let your tyres down.

Judith

SteveO said:

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I think there's a bit more to GPS than "just spend the £80 or
whatever". There is the minor matter of knowing how to set it up and
how to use it.

Definitely and, tbh, I'd think you couldn't do it without the
map/compass knowledge.

Come on Steve, it's been pointed out enough times in the past, it's not Map
& Compass vs. GPS, it's just Compass vs. GPS. A map is essential in both
cases.

A GPS is not completely useless without a map (it will guide you back to
your starting point at the very least) but it is pretty useless on it's own.
You plan your walk with a map, you navigate by compass or GPS (or both if
you want).

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I might be wrong on that, mind you because everyone I know that has a
GPS, uses it and came to it bringing map and compass skills - doesn't
mean that someone hasn't/can't get there without the background,
dunno???

Of course they have to bring map skills to it, but I see no reason why
compass skills are necessary. GPS and compass navigation work in different
ways, I don't see that compass techniques are in any way a pre-requisite for
GPS navigation techniques.

Maps obviously are though, otherwise how could you plan a route? Computer
mapping software is obviously ideal for this, and clearly a lot of people
are investing in these. How many are also GPS users?

One key difference between compass and GPS navigation is that whereas you
*have* to take the map with you in order to navigate by compass, it's not
necessary with GPS, provided you've uploaded all of the necessary waypoints
in advance. That's not really advisable though, you should take a map as
well, just in case. Even if the GPS doesn't fail, you may still need the
map if you decide to change your route for whatever reason. A commonly used
option is to print out a map showing your GPS route and waypoints, which can
be a very useful reference.

Paul