Bath-Bristol path assaults

[quote="Graham"]"Gawnsoft" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:17:19 +0000 (UTC), "Graham"
<[email hidden]> wrote (more or less):

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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:19:04 +0000 (UTC), "Graham"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>The truth always has a bad taste for some people.

That would be why you didn't like being called a trolling racist
hypocrite, then.

How can someone be a racist hypocrite, the real hypocrites in this
couuntry
are the liberals who champion the cause of anti-racism, but don't want
their
children to marry the less whites, or live next door to them.

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Is there not a religious exemption? There should be, given that it is
essentially religious headgear in the first place. We could found the
First Church of Karmic Pedalling or some such :-)

You could always become a Sikh. You'll also get a nice big sword to
scratch cars and carry out the traditional URC de-bollockings with too.

I presume Sikhs won't have to wear one riding, but are they exempt in riot
control duties too?

Graham said:

children to marry the less whites, or live next door to them.

"Less whites"?

Shouldn't it be the other way round? I mean, if you really want to make a
distinction, should be "coloured" and "less than coloured"; or "melanine
rich" and "melanine less than rich" (you can't say "poor", I'm told, in a
PC definition). Seems to me it'd be more technically correct too.

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Graham said:

Let's face it it's Bristol. The Police have their hands tied these days, but
have already shown that most muggings are carried out by Blacks,
Afrio-Carribeans or whatever the in name is these days. If the Police were
allowed to get on with their job without allthe political interference then
crime would be way down. If all people who are Afro-Carribean or African
were deported to-morrow crime would drop dramatically.

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Graham said:

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Of course, the UK has one of the highest rates of inter-marriage in
the world, so these sorts of liberals must be fewer than you imagine.

Prove it !

I know I might be in a minority of one, but here's my anecdotal tale
with the remote chance it will swing your bigoted opinion.

The last time I voted, I voted for the Liberal Democrats. I am white.
That makes me a white liberal.

My younger brother is married to a Chinese woman, he and his wife live
in Shanghai. Last time I went to China I invested £15,000 in a
property on Hainan Island, a tropical island in the South China Sea.
As only Chinese people are allowed to own property on Hainan Island,
the house is held wholly in the name of my brother's wife, an Asian
woman whom the likes of you brand a "criminal" and "drug dealing
scum".

Could you point out where I mentioned "drug dealing scum". And what has the
above got to do with me ?

Graham

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I wonder if you have even ventured outside Europe and America to meet
the peoples of the World, the great majority of whom live in far less
advantaged circumstances to our own.

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Graham said:

children to marry the less whites, or live next door to them.

"Less whites"?

Shouldn't it be the other way round? I mean, if you really want to make a
distinction, should be "coloured" and "less than coloured"; or "melanine
rich" and "melanine less than rich" (you can't say "poor", I'm told, in a
PC definition). Seems to me it'd be more technically correct too.

"Less whites" was used by the wafflycat woman earlier on, I am only using it
in case any other name might offend the liberals.

Graham

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Scott Leckey said:

"There are two ways that have been used to make an assessment of which the
offenders are: (a) those arrested by the police and (b) victim's reports.

In England and Wales 28 percent of people arrested by the police for robbery
are black. In 1999 the British Crime Survey found that 31 percent of victims
identified a black person as the offender based on a small number of 203
"mugging" incidents. (Clancey et al. 2001).

In London, the Metropolitan Police report that 62 percent of people arrested
for robbery are black, compared with 27 percent who are White, 6 percent
Asian, 3 percent "dark European" and less than one percent
"Chinese/Japanese" and "Arabian/Egyptian"."

From "Black Information Link: Independent Community Interactive Site for
Black Communities."

http://www.blink.org.uk/pdescription.asp?key=1021&grp=55&cat=199

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say here but directly
following on from the passage you quoted is this, which alters its
interpretation somewhat:

"In some instances the victim does not actually know who the offender
was, in some cases the victim gets the offender's description wrong and
sometimes black people are blamed for the crime even when the victim
does not know who is responsible. There is some evidence that robbery is
more often reported when the suspect is black (Shah and Pease).
Sometimes police stereotyping leads an officer to record a suspect's
ethnicity as black, even when this is not consistent with the evidence.

The problems of under-reporting, mistaken identity and stereotyping mean
that all crime statistics should be treated with caution."

Preceding it was this:

"Ethnicity and Victimisation
The British Crime Survey shows that the risk of victimisation is nearly
three times as great for the black and Asian population (about 16 people
in 1000 were victimised in 2000), in comparison with the white
population (6 per 1000) 1 . It is also the case that black people are
much less likely to report being robbed, with only one in four black
victims going to the police compared to with four out of ten whites. 2

Black and Asian communities are also twice as likely to worry about
being victims of robbery, and are indeed at a greater risk of being
victims of burglary, car theft and a range of other crimes.

Black people are more at risk of being robbed and least often to turn to
the police for help; when they do seek help from the police they are
less likely to be satisfied with the outcome."

Of course none of this says anything at all about causality.
Statistics on the correlation between chaotic drug use and robbery might
well be more informative. Unfortunately the police do not record this
in their arrest records so proper information is hard to come by. Tihs
however contains a resonable summary:
http://www.drugscope.org.uk/druginfo/evidence-select/drugscrime.htm

An aticle in the Observer in 2003 (reproduced here:
http://cocaine.org/cokecrime/jails.html) reports that "a staggering 79.8
per cent of prisoners entering Pentonville reception had taken cocaine
or heroin within the previous 48 hours".

Combine this with the links beween deprivation and later drug use,such
as that outlined here:

www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hors253.pdf

and then correlate this with the information on relative income levels,
and geographic concentration of black and minority ethnic communities
and you might come up with statistics that you can draw meaningful
conclusions from.

Paul M

Graham said:

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Graham said:

> Of course, the UK has one of the highest rates of inter-marriage in
> the world, so these sorts of liberals must be fewer than you imagine.

Prove it !

I know I might be in a minority of one, but here's my anecdotal tale
with the remote chance it will swing your bigoted opinion.

The last time I voted, I voted for the Liberal Democrats. I am white.
That makes me a white liberal.

My younger brother is married to a Chinese woman, he and his wife live
in Shanghai. Last time I went to China I invested £15,000 in a
property on Hainan Island, a tropical island in the South China Sea.
As only Chinese people are allowed to own property on Hainan Island,
the house is held wholly in the name of my brother's wife, an Asian
woman whom the likes of you brand a "criminal" and "drug dealing
scum".

Could you point out where I mentioned "drug dealing scum". And what has the
above got to do with me ?

I said, "the likes of you" not "you".

I am one of the so-called Liberals who "champion the cause of
anti-racism", yet celebrate inter-racial marriage within my family.

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I wonder if you have even ventured outside Europe and America to meet
the peoples of the World, the great majority of whom live in far less
advantaged circumstances to our own.

I note you haven't addressed this point.

Gonzalez said:

Graham said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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I wonder if you have even ventured outside Europe and America to meet
the peoples of the World, the great majority of whom live in far less
advantaged circumstances to our own.

I note you haven't addressed this point.

Our Graham (apologies to Cilla) has failed to address just about every
point, becuase he can't. I was going to propose that he choose between
a black man in a £175 racing top and a white one in a £2.99 Aldi one,
but fear his brain may explode and blow his [censored] away.

-Rob

Graham said:

"Less whites" was used by the wafflycat woman earlier on, I am only using it
in case any other name might offend the liberals.

One common characteristic of religious fundamentalists, racist bigots and
proto-Fascists of all nationalities is that they wouldn't recognise irony
if it bit them on the [censored]

--
A reactionary is a man whose political opinions always manage to keep
up with yesterday.

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Graham said:

"Gonzalez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:54:12 +0000 (UTC), "Graham"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>> Of course, the UK has one of the highest rates of inter-marriage in
>> the world, so these sorts of liberals must be fewer than you imagine.
>
>Prove it !

I know I might be in a minority of one, but here's my anecdotal tale
with the remote chance it will swing your bigoted opinion.

The last time I voted, I voted for the Liberal Democrats. I am white.
That makes me a white liberal.

My younger brother is married to a Chinese woman, he and his wife live
in Shanghai. Last time I went to China I invested £15,000 in a
property on Hainan Island, a tropical island in the South China Sea.
As only Chinese people are allowed to own property on Hainan Island,
the house is held wholly in the name of my brother's wife, an Asian
woman whom the likes of you brand a "criminal" and "drug dealing
scum".

Could you point out where I mentioned "drug dealing scum". And what has
the
above got to do with me ?

I said, "the likes of you" not "you".

Same thing !

Graham

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I am one of the so-called Liberals who "champion the cause of
anti-racism", yet celebrate inter-racial marriage within my family.

Quoted message said:

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I wonder if you have even ventured outside Europe and America to meet
the peoples of the World, the great majority of whom live in far less
advantaged circumstances to our own.

I note you haven't addressed this point.

Andy Dingley said:

And as for west indian "immigrants" in downtown Bristol, the only
difference between them and me is that my ancestors got here 50 years
before theirs' did, and our skins are different colours.

Given Bristol's seafaring history, it's a good chance (unsubstantiated
handwaving) that some of the black residents arrived there the same
way they did in the West Indies.

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Now Micheal
Howard seems to think the first makes a difference between "good" and
"bad" immigration, and you seem to think the second makes a
differerence. I don't much care for either of you.

Wot 'e said.

Tim
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Blue Witch laughed at me

Tim Hall said:

Given Bristol's seafaring history, it's a good chance (unsubstantiated
handwaving) that some of the black residents arrived there the same
way they did in the West Indies.

Very rare (by learned academia, which you can find at some bit of
UWE). Almost no 1st generation African slaves ended up in Bristol,.
those that did end up here (and they were a significant number) were
mainly 2nd or 3rd generation, born in the West Indies. Almost none of
them had children or left traceable families.

West Indians who turned up in Bristol before the 1950s were mainly the
descendants of slaves who were freed in the West Indies and had lived
there for some generations. They arrived in England by their own
choice, the most famous probably being Mary Seacole.

On 29 Sep 2004 16:41:32 GMT, Mark Thompson
<[email hidden]> wrote (more or less):

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Is there not a religious exemption? There should be, given that it is
essentially religious headgear in the first place. We could found the
First Church of Karmic Pedalling or some such :-)

You could always become a Sikh. You'll also get a nice big sword to
scratch cars and carry out the traditional URC de-bollockings with too.

I presume Sikhs won't have to wear one riding, but are they exempt in riot
control duties too?

I'd guess so. I'm also guessing that a turban full of very long hair
would probably do a fair job of load-spreading to a thump from a blunt
instrument.

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quote='Paul M'Scott Leckey said:

"There are two ways that have been used to make an assessment of which the
offenders are: (a) those arrested by the police and (b) victim's reports.

In England and Wales 28 percent of people arrested by the police for robbery
are black. In 1999 the British Crime Survey found that 31 percent of victims
identified a black person as the offender based on a small number of 203
"mugging" incidents. (Clancey et al. 2001).

In London, the Metropolitan Police report that 62 percent of people arrested
for robbery are black, compared with 27 percent who are White, 6 percent
Asian, 3 percent "dark European" and less than one percent
"Chinese/Japanese" and "Arabian/Egyptian"."

From "Black Information Link: Independent Community Interactive Site for
Black Communities."

http://www.blink.org.uk/pdescription.asp?key=1021&grp=55&cat=199

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say here but directly
following on from the passage you quoted is this, which alters its
interpretation somewhat:

"In some instances the victim does not actually know who the offender
was, in some cases the victim gets the offender's description wrong and
sometimes black people are blamed for the crime even when the victim
does not know who is responsible. There is some evidence that robbery is
more often reported when the suspect is black (Shah and Pease).
Sometimes police stereotyping leads an officer to record a suspect's
ethnicity as black, even when this is not consistent with the evidence.

The problems of under-reporting, mistaken identity and stereotyping mean
that all crime statistics should be treated with caution."

Preceding it was this:

"Ethnicity and Victimisation
The British Crime Survey shows that the risk of victimisation is nearly
three times as great for the black and Asian population (about 16 people
in 1000 were victimised in 2000), in comparison with the white
population (6 per 1000) 1 . It is also the case that black people are
much less likely to report being robbed, with only one in four black
victims going to the police compared to with four out of ten whites. 2

Black and Asian communities are also twice as likely to worry about
being victims of robbery, and are indeed at a greater risk of being
victims of burglary, car theft and a range of other crimes.

Black people are more at risk of being robbed and least often to turn to
the police for help; when they do seek help from the police they are
less likely to be satisfied with the outcome."

Of course none of this says anything at all about causality.
Statistics on the correlation between chaotic drug use and robbery might
well be more informative. Unfortunately the police do not record this
in their arrest records so proper information is hard to come by. Tihs
however contains a resonable summary:
http://www.drugscope.org.uk/druginfo/evidence-select/drugscrime.htm

An aticle in the Observer in 2003 (reproduced here:
http://cocaine.org/cokecrime/jails.html) reports that "a staggering 79.8
per cent of prisoners entering Pentonville reception had taken cocaine
or heroin within the previous 48 hours".

Combine this with the links beween deprivation and later drug use,such
as that outlined here:

www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hors253.pdf

and then correlate this with the information on relative income levels,
and geographic concentration of black and minority ethnic communities
and you might come up with statistics that you can draw meaningful
conclusions from.

Paul M[/QUOTE]

Twaddle Twaddle Twaddle.
As I said before its easy to blame 'your' failures on someone or something else. The corralation between drug use and crime has been documented a number of times as has the fact that lower income and getto societies have higher crime rates. Nothing new there. The fact that a disproportionate number of ethenic black males are in prison compared to their relative size in the general population does not mean that they are innocent or have been unfairly victimised by the justice system.
The British crime survay and National reporting standards have skewed what officers on the street know and work with into figures which reflect what the government and the HO want the public to see. It is not PC to say certain things so any figures which could contradict the PC point of fiew are hidden or massaged into the mire.
Black on Black crime is the highest proprtion of "Black" crime with white on Black being a tiny proportion of recorded figures, hence opperations specifically targeting this population grouping.
This does not fit with your raw statements above but is a real life view of ethenic crime based figures.
Sniper 8052

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"Less whites" was used by the wafflycat woman earlier on, I am only using it
in case any other name might offend the liberals.

"Less than white" was the phrase Helen actually used, and she was lampooning you.

--
Dave...

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"Less than white" was the phrase Helen actually used, and she was lampooning
you.

--
Dave...

Well at least it didn't go "woosh...." over your head, Dave :-)

Cheers, helen s

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Graham said:

Let's face it it's Bristol. The Police have their hands tied these days, but
have already shown that most muggings are carried out by Blacks,
Afrio-Carribeans or whatever the in name is these days. If the Police were
allowed to get on with their job without allthe political interference then
crime would be way down. If all people who are Afro-Carribean or African
were deported to-morrow crime would drop dramatically.

I don't often go in for netcopping, but I felt justified on this
occasion.

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"dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers" <[email hidden]> wrote
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John B said...

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I want to emigrate :-(

Graham said...

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That's what the people who are doing the muggings said before they

came

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here
!

If you happen to know the muggers so you can identify them so well,
Graham, perhaps you should be informing the police. If not, why are
you

assuming

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the
muggers are immigrants?

Cheers, helen s

Let's face it it's Bristol. The Police have their hands tied these
days, but

have already shown that most muggings are carried out by Blacks,
Afrio-Carribeans or whatever the in name is these days. If the Police
were allowed to get on with their job without allthe political
interference then crime would be way down. If all people who are
Afro-Carribean or African

were deported to-morrow crime would drop dramatically.

Graham

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Gonzalez [email hidden] opined the following...

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I don't often go in for netcopping, but I felt justified on this
occasion.

He he. I thought he'd gone quiet!

Jon

Sniper8052 [email hidden] opined the
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Twaddle Twaddle Twaddle.

The bit where a paragraph which seems to support the theory that blacks
commit more crime, is seen in context to say that the reporting system
unfairly favours the reporting of crimes where the criminals are black?

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As I said before its easy to blame 'your' failures on someone or
something else. The corralation between drug use and crime has been
documented a number of times as has the fact that lower income and
getto societies have higher crime rates. Nothing new there. The fact
that a disproportionate number of ethenic black males are in prison
compared to their relative size in the general population does not mean
that they are innocent or have been unfairly victimised by the justice
system.

True. But it doesn't necessarily show that they are guilty. We don't
have a brilliant track record on this in Britain, what with the
imprisonment of large parties of innocents in the face of somewhat
revealing evidence because the police had "beaten" confessions out of
them... The admission that the Steven Lawrence case was grossly
mishandled... The documented racism in the (Manchester?) Metropolitan
Police training unit... The innocents who have "died" in police custody
despite being in perfect health when arrested.

I freely admit to being cynical and not being particularly fond of our
police force, but I'd say that there are good grounds for questioning
why a disproportionate number of blacks are imprisoned, especially when
the police force comprises a disproportionate number of whites.

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The British crime survay and National reporting standards have skewed
what officers on the street know and work with into figures which
reflect what the government and the HO want the public to see. It is
not PC to say certain things so any figures which could contradict the
PC point of fiew are hidden or massaged into the mire.

You're getting dangerously close to Graham's post here. Presumably you
have some figures to back up these assertions.

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Black on Black crime is the highest proprtion of "Black" crime with
white on Black being a tiny proportion of recorded figures, hence
opperations specifically targeting this population grouping.

But given that numerically, white on white crime is probably
significantly higher, why are we not targetting whites? Why is it that a
black man driving an expensive car is noticeably more likely to be
pulled over for a "random check" than a white man in the same car? (This
one's true. I've met him!)

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This does not fit with your raw statements above but is a real life
view of ethenic crime based figures.

Or rather, it's your view of ethnic crime figures based on some stunning
insight that you have, but which you haven't shared with us, or anyone
else.

Either that or it's blatent predudice with a thin veneer of desperate
justification.

Jon