BB and pedal thread direction - WHY?

Quoted message said:

David Damerell writes:

[conical pedal threads]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You could try suggesting it to Highpath Engineering, who already
make fresh holes in cranks in order to shorten them. They might also
be up to making aftermarket pedal spindles for common pedal types...

You might forward the essential parts of this discussion on this
wreck.bike thread to them since you seem to know something about this
company. I don't.

I will mention it to them next time I speak to them, and report back here
if they seem at all amenable. It's a thin chance, but it can't hurt to
ask, I suppose.
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!

David Damerell said:

Quoted message said:

From my discussions with manufacturers I get the impression it is
partly NIH (not invented here) and partly like the disc brake
problem. No one wants to be the first to admit there is a problem.

Quoted message said:

You could try suggesting it to Highpath Engineering, who already
make fresh holes in cranks in order to shorten them. They might also
be up to making aftermarket pedal spindles for common pedal types...

Quoted message said:

David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!

So how come mail to your address resutls in:

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<[email hidden]>
(reason: 550 Blacklisted site `[64.142.19.5]' [Irritated])

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]

On Wed, 05 May 2004 19:15:56 GMT, [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

David Damerell said:

Quoted message said:

From my discussions with manufacturers I get the impression it is
partly NIH (not invented here) and partly like the disc brake
problem. No one wants to be the first to admit there is a problem.

Quoted message said:

You could try suggesting it to Highpath Engineering, who already
make fresh holes in cranks in order to shorten them. They might also
be up to making aftermarket pedal spindles for common pedal types...

Quoted message said:

David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!

So how come mail to your address resutls in:

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<[email hidden]>
(reason: 550 Blacklisted site `[64.142.19.5]' [Irritated])

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]

Dear Jobst,

Here's a site where you can enter the ISP portion of a mail address
and see if it's on a domain name server black list (dnsbl):

http://openrbl.org/

You'll get thrilling details like this for entering
"chiark.greenend.org.uk" in ithe DNSBL option:

Lookup 193.201.200.170 (chiark.greenend.org.uk) in 21+11 Zones
AS: 193.201.200.0/23 AS25108 ? RADB/RIPE ??
Net 193/8 EU-ZZ-193 ? Amsterdam, North Holland
Results: Positive=1, Negative=31 (2004-05-05 19:39:06 UTC)
BLARS/block.blars.org: INET 127.1.0.17
Negative 31: @COUNTRY @DYNAMIC @ISP @SPAM AHBL AUDNSBL BOGONS BONDED
BOPM CBL DRBL DSBL FIVETEN INTERSIL JIPPGMA LNSG NJABL NOMORE ORDB
PSBL PSS RFC_IPWH SBL SORBS SPAMBAG SPAMCOP SPAMRBL SPAMSITE SPEWS
UCEPROT WPBL

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hints for 193.201.200.170: (external, use BACK or ALT-LEFT when done)
Track "chiark.greenend.org.uk" at [Whois & Abuse|SpamCop*]
Search "193.201.200.170" at [Google|SpamCop*|SenderBase]
[MAPS|Schlund]
CHECK: Nominate Relay-Test at: [ORDB] [Add Comment]

David's ISP seems to be blacklisted. You can pursue the details on the
BLARS page: http://www.blars.org/errors/block.html

Sometimes this sort of thing reflects mail-blocking tricks employed by
the ISP itself so that its users receive less spam.

Carl Fogel

On Wed, 05 May 2004 19:15:56 GMT, [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

David Damerell said:

Quoted message said:

From my discussions with manufacturers I get the impression it is
partly NIH (not invented here) and partly like the disc brake
problem. No one wants to be the first to admit there is a problem.

Quoted message said:

You could try suggesting it to Highpath Engineering, who already
make fresh holes in cranks in order to shorten them. They might also
be up to making aftermarket pedal spindles for common pedal types...

Quoted message said:

David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!

So how come mail to your address resutls in:

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<[email hidden]>
(reason: 550 Blacklisted site `[64.142.19.5]' [Irritated])

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]

Dear Jobst,

Sorry, but it looks as if I posted an unfinished reply to your
question about the blacklist message that you received.

The improved version went on to explain that the blacklist 550 message
is a reply that originates with the system that was supposed to
receive the email, but has rejected it because whoever sent the
original is blacklisted as far as the receiver is concerned--which is
amusing when the receiver itself is blacklisted elsewhere.

David's system has blacklisted [email hidden], but
appears itself on more public blacklists. The eventual result is
everyone bouncing their complaints and apologies off each other's
anti-spam blacklists.

Carl Fogel

David Reuteler said:

Quoted message said:

David's system has blacklisted [email hidden], but
appears itself on more public blacklists. The eventual result is
everyone bouncing their complaints and apologies off each other's
anti-spam blacklists.

it isn't stanfordalumni.org that's the problem, but 64.142.19.5 which
resolves to b.mail.sonic.net. sonic.net is an isp based in santa rosa,
california. b.mail.sonic.net is an smtp server (i'd guess one in a pool
that jobst used or for some reason that his smtp server routes through)
but it doesn't appear to currently be an open relay (maybe it was fixed
or the alleged spammer was legimitely authenticated).

isis% telnet b.mail.sonic.net 25
Trying 64.142.19.5...
Connected to b.mail.sonic.net.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 mail.sonic.net ESMTP Ready on Wed, 5 May 2004 16:28:52 -0700 [b.mail]
MAIL From: [email hidden]
250 2.1.0 [email hidden]... Sender ok
RCPT To: [email hidden]
550 5.7.1 [email hidden]... Relaying denied. Proper authentication required.
quit
221 2.0.0 b.mail.sonic.net closing connection
Connection closed by foreign host.
isis%

if you goto openrbl.org and punch in 64.142.19.5 the complaint is from the
AUDNSBL (Aussie spam black-list). track that to them and you get a specific
entry from april 5, 2004.

Reason for entry : Reynolds Multiple Spam Traps
Type of address : 3 - network

(ie, more than this one machine)

and here's (just fyi, most of you should be typing N now) the offending spam.
and you'll note if you search for sonic that the relay did in fact take
the mail from yahoo and pass it to the not taking any [censored] australians.
if sonic.net really is your isp pass 'em this url and tell them to get
their machines off the aussie spam black-list:

http://dnsbl.net.au/lookup/?64.142.19.5

From [email hidden] Mon Apr 5 13:31:05 2004
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for <[email hidden]>; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:31:05 +0800
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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:31:03 +0800
From: root <[email hidden]>
Message-Id: <[email hidden]>
To: [email hidden]
Subject: RESAFURS - [email hidden] - 20040405130424-15361
X-AntiVirus: Reynolds Virus Scan OK. http://reynolds.net.au/policies/viruses/
X-ReynoldsPurgeDate: 1081143064

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Message-Id: <[email hidden]>
To: <[email hidden]>, <[email hidden]>, <[email hidden]>,
<[email hidden]>, <[email hidden]>,
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Subject: Silvia Is Married But Lonely
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Dear David,

I expect that your detailed tracing is accuratel, but effectively, the
chiark site blacklisted Jobst (and others) by blacklisting the
intermediate systems. Such folk are often not even aware that they're
rejecting email, any more than they're aware that their email is in
turn being blacklisted.

This blacklisting (and other well-meant anti-spam efforts) are often
the cause of the angry posts that we see here about so-and-so has
ignored all my attempts to resolve this situation by email--so-and-so
doesn't even know that his system was rejecting the email.

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

I expect that your detailed tracing is accuratel, but effectively, the
chiark site blacklisted Jobst (and others) by blacklisting the
intermediate systems.

the distinction is noteworthy because all jobst has to do for his email to
succeed is change his outbound smtp server since it is not his site that
has been blacklisted.

Quoted message said:

Such folk are often not even aware that they're
rejecting email, any more than they're aware that their email is in
turn being blacklisted.

This blacklisting (and other well-meant anti-spam efforts) are often
the cause of the angry posts that we see here about so-and-so has
ignored all my attempts to resolve this situation by email--so-and-so
doesn't even know that his system was rejecting the email.

let me help resolve all your disputes (i have low hourly rates billable via
paypal, 1 hour minimum).
--
david reuteler
[email hidden]

Quoted message said:

David Damerell said:

David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!

So how come mail to your address resutls in:
----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<[email hidden]>
(reason: 550 Blacklisted site `[64.142.19.5]' [Irritated])

2004-04-05 06:10:38 BST: dbreasons: site 64.142.19.5 black {Sent mail to
bait address [email hidden]}
2004-04-05 06:10:39 BST: dbreasons: site 64.142.19.5 black {Sent mail to
bait address [email hidden]}

About a month ago that same machine, through which your mail comes, sent spam
to a bait address; an address that is advertised (probably on the Web)
with accompanying text that will make it clear to a human being that it
should not be sent mail.

Irritatingly, I receive a list of addresses from which mail has been
rejected daily, but with the tide of Windows mail client worms it is no
longer practical to review it carefully.

If you are willing to try again, I believe I have now arranged that mail
from the address you used will be accepted irrespective of the originating
system.
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> flcl?

David Damerell said:

Quoted message said:

David Damerell said:

David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!

So how come mail to your address resutls in:
----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<[email hidden]>
(reason: 550 Blacklisted site `[64.142.19.5]' [Irritated])

2004-04-05 06:10:38 BST: dbreasons: site 64.142.19.5 black {Sent mail to
bait address [email hidden]}
2004-04-05 06:10:39 BST: dbreasons: site 64.142.19.5 black {Sent mail to
bait address [email hidden]}

About a month ago that same machine, through which your mail comes, sent spam
to a bait address; an address that is advertised (probably on the Web)
with accompanying text that will make it clear to a human being that it
should not be sent mail.

Irritatingly, I receive a list of addresses from which mail has been
rejected daily, but with the tide of Windows mail client worms it is no
longer practical to review it carefully.

If you are willing to try again, I believe I have now arranged that mail
from the address you used will be accepted irrespective of the originating
system.

Dave, I tried to send you a note just now but I got a
message saying that 'mail could not be sent'.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

A Muzi said:

David Damerell wrote:

[Of mail blocking]

Quoted message said:

Dave, I tried to send you a note just now but I got a
message saying that 'mail could not be sent'.

It looks like this was a delay report, since I got the mail message...
although this is stretching the limits of topic rather. :-)
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!

Quoted message said:

Pedals wouldn't need left hand treads if they had a tapered shoulder
on their shafts similar to lug nuts on cars. Formerly, lug nuts had
left hand threads on the right side before the conical lug nut was
introduced. This has nothing to do with ball or roller bearings, or
their seizing up and the likes.

Does anybody have photos which might help explain this?

(Adam Rush) said:

Quoted message said:

Pedals wouldn't need left hand treads if they had a tapered shoulder
on their shafts similar to lug nuts on cars. Formerly, lug nuts had
left hand threads on the right side before the conical lug nut was
introduced. This has nothing to do with ball or roller bearings, or
their seizing up and the likes.

Does anybody have photos which might help explain this?

No, but you could look at a car. Widely available.

--
Ted Bennett
Portland OR

Adam Rush said:

Jobst Brandt:

Quoted message said:

Pedals wouldn't need left hand treads if they had a tapered shoulder
on their shafts similar to lug nuts on cars.

Does anybody have photos which might help explain this?

Jobst has sent me a photograph which makes it clear. If he is willing, I
will make it available on the Web. Jobst?
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> flcl?

David Damerell said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Pedals wouldn't need left hand treads if they had a tapered shoulder
on their shafts similar to lug nuts on cars.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Does anybody have photos which might help explain this?

Quoted message said:

Jobst has sent me a photograph which makes it clear. If he is
willing, I will make it available on the Web. Jobst?

Sure, if it helps visualize the problem of doing this.

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]

Quoted message said:

David Damerell <[email hidden]> writes:

[Conical tapers on pedal shafts]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Jobst has sent me a photograph which makes it clear. If he is
willing, I will make it available on the Web. Jobst?

Sure, if it helps visualize the problem of doing this.

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/bikes/brandt-cranks.jpg

This is not a small image file, because I am too lazy to shrink it.
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> flcl?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Pedals wouldn't need left hand treads if they had a tapered shoulder
on their shafts similar to lug nuts on cars. Formerly, lug nuts had
left hand threads on the right side before the conical lug nut was
introduced. This has nothing to do with ball or roller bearings, or
their seizing up and the likes.

Does anybody have photos which might help explain this?

No, but you could look at a car. Widely available.

How would you react if you came back to the parking lot to find a
strange man looking into your wheel well?