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  1. news.bbc.co.uk3667513.stm

    Comments:

    - the original bike bell law was repealed because it was
    unworkable; the replacement is at least practical
    - riding on the pavement is already an offence; what makes
    them think that people who do this would respect a law
    requiring them to have a bell, if there were one?
    - "there need to be cyclepaths" - wrong! Most pavement
    cyclists should simply be on the road.
    - figures for fatalities: these are new, I've not seen them
    before at all. Since the figure for fatalities on the
    footway is known to be small, it is quite possible that
    these were peds who stepped out into the road, but I'll be
    trying to find out the truth.

    Guy

    Welcome back, bicycle bell

    Ah...the ding of a bicycle bell as a cheery postman greets
    the vicar across the village green. Something from a
    bygone era? Not quite - it's the new initiative to improve
    road safety.

    If you've get a brand new bicycle from 1 May, make sure its
    got a brand new bell.

    Bells on new bikes were compulsory until 1983, when the
    requirement was scrapped by Mrs Thatcher's government. But
    from this weekend they will once again be mandatory.

    But worried walkers fear that although the Pedal Bicycle
    Safety Regulations Act makes it an offence to sell a bell-
    less bike, there's nothing to stop the new owner removing it
    as soon as they wheel their new purchase out of the shop.

    Karen Blanchette, of the Royal Society for the Prevention of
    Accidents, says this is a mistake, as bells act as an
    effective warning to pedestrians, who might otherwise step
    out in front of an on-coming cyclist.

    Nick Palmer, the Labour MP for Broxtowe, agrees. He has
    campaigned for compulsory bells for five years, after
    several thousand of his constituents signed a petition in
    favour of such a Bill.

    Mainly pensioners and partially-sighted people, they
    complained that they felt at risk from cyclists who rode on
    pavements or sped past just as they stepped off the pavement
    to cross the road.

    "Local police have told me it is very difficult to stop
    cyclists whizzing by," Mr Palmer says. "Wherever possible,
    there needs to be cycle paths, but you will still get those
    who will ride on the pavements."

    If they used bells to warn of their presence, it might just
    make the pavements a safer place, he says.

    In 2002, 170 pedestrians collided with a cyclist - three of
    those died, and 40 sustained serious injuries, according to
    the Royal Society.

    Roger Geffen, of the Cyclists Touring Club, the national
    body which represents cyclists' interests, says bells are a
    good idea especially for novice riders. "We feel [the Act]
    is appropriate given that so many new bikes are bought by
    people, including children, who are new to cycling and who
    are therefore likely to share the space with pedestrians."

    But it's not only walkers at risk. Cyclists themselves can
    be injured in collisions with pedestrians and other road -
    or pavement - users. In parts of Canada, bell-less cyclists
    can be pulled over by the police and fined up to $100 -
    about £40. One rider familiar with the traffic-clogged roads
    of Toronto says she thought the law was an ass - until she
    took to two wheels herself.

    "I found I used the bell all the time. I rang the damn thing
    like a maniac, and I think it saved me more than once."

    --
    Guy
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    Victory is ours! Down with Eric the Half A Brain!

  2. Just zis Guy said:

    - figures for fatalities: these are new, I've not seen
    them before at all. Since the figure for fatalities on
    the footway is known to be small, it is quite possible
    that these were peds who stepped out into the road, but
    I'll be trying to find out the truth.

    Not up to date but the figures to '98 were given in Hansard
    parliament.the-stationery-parliament.the-stationery-
    office.co.uk/pa/cm199899/cmhansrd/vo990707/text/90707w01.htm

    About 30% on the pavement, 70% on the road.

    Tony

  3. Tony Raven said:

    Not up to date but the figures to '98 were given in
    Hansard


    parliament.the-stationery-parliament.the-stationery-
    office.co.uk/pa/cm199899/cmhansrd/vo990707/text/90707w01.htm

    Ta. Inefficient googling on my part, obv.

    --
    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after
    posting. chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

    Victory is ours! Down with Eric the Half A Brain!

  4. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    news.bbc.co.uk3667513.stm

    That's Prescott cycling through Hull in that photo on a
    Raleigh Jaguar, on part of my commute. I haven't seen those
    Gore Tex suits and ties in any catalogue though.

    --
    Simon Mason Anlaby East Yorkshire. 53°44'N 0°26'W
    simonmason.karoo.netsimonmason.karoo.net

  5. Simon Mason said:

    That's Prescott cycling through Hull in that photo on a
    Raleigh Jaguar, on part of my commute. I haven't seen
    those Gore Tex suits and ties in any catalogue though.

    He's not wearing his plastic hat properly either

    Terry D.

  6. On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:57:48 +0100, "Tony Raven"
    <[email hidden]> wrote (more or less):

    Quoted message said:
    Just zis Guy said:

    - figures for fatalities: these are new, I've not seen
    them before at all. Since the figure for fatalities on
    the footway is known to be small, it is quite possible
    that these were peds who stepped out into the road, but
    I'll be trying to find out the truth.

    Not up to date but the figures to '98 were given in Hansard
    parliament.the-stationery-parliament.the-stationery-
    office.co.uk/pa/cm199899/cmhansrd/vo990707/text/90707w01.h-
    tm

    About 30% on the pavement, 70% on the road.

    I've had a lot less faith in Hansard-ed figures since last
    Friday's reading of Martlew...

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  7. Gawnsoft said:
    Quoted message said:


    Not up to date but the figures to '98 were given in
    Hansard


    parliament.the-stationery-parliament.the-stationery-
    office.co.uk/pa/cm199899/cmhansrd/vo990707/text/90707w01.htm

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    About 30% on the pavement, 70% on the road.

    I've had a lot less faith in Hansard-ed figures since last
    Friday's reading of Martlew...

    The bits which are replies to questions are generally OK -
    the data is researched by civil servants unlike Martlew who
    was speaking for himself using data madeup by BHIT.

    Tony

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