Be Informed

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Be further informed:

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etrile.html

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Subject: Re: Be Informed
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 4/1/2004 7:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

In article <[email hidden]>, Bew

qw@nonamewhatsover said:

theroadlesstravelledby.comwwcOpen ↗
foreword.htm

Be further informed:

quackquackOpen ↗

talkinternational.comlegal barrett baratz kingOpen ↗
bio_pharma.htm

Barrett is NOT qualified.

Be well informed.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Be Informed From: [email hidden]
(David Wright) Date: 4/1/2004 7:31 PM Pacific Standard
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<[email hidden]>

In article <[email hidden]>, Bew
<qw@nonamewhatsover>

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theroadlesstravelledby.comwwcOpen ↗
foreword.htm

Be further informed:

quackquackOpen ↗

talkinternational.comlegal barrett baratz kinOpen ↗
g_bio_pharma.htm

Barrett is NOT qualified.

It was not written by Barrett:

The Rise and Fall of Laetrile Benjamin Wilson, M.D.

(quackwatch.orglOpen ↗
aetrile.html)

"Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
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Bew

Laetrile is one of the most extensively studied and tried
alternative cancer treatments, but it has not even been able
to sustain a secure place for itself within alternative
medicine. Few clinics recommend it and those that do use it
admit that it doesn't work by itself, in line with current
trends within AM to use multiple treatments at once (which
still don't work, but that doesn't seem to matter to any but
the poor patient).

Peter Moran.

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From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date: 4/2/2004 2:01
PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <406de2aa$0$32763$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>

<snip>

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, but it has not even been able to sustain a secure place
for itself within alternative medicine

B I N G O. Reason, it didn't come from organized medicine.

Jan

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M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 2, 2004 <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t

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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040402002250.08277.00000630@mb-
m02.aol.com...

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Subject: Re: Be Informed From: [email hidden]
(David Wright) Date: 4/1/2004 7:31 PM Pacific Standard
Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

In article <[email hidden]>, Bew
<qw@nonamewhatsover>

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Quoted message said:

>theroadlesstravelledby.comwwcOpen ↗
>foreword.htm

Be further informed:

quackquackOpen ↗

talkinternational.comlegal barrett baratz kiOpen ↗
ng_bio_pharma.htm

Barrett is NOT qualified.

It was not written by Barrett:

The Rise and Fall of Laetrile Benjamin Wilson, M.D.

(quackwatch.orgquackwatch.orgOpen ↗
laetrile.html)

Mark, thanks for this. Since Jan is in my killfile, I didn't
know she was up to her usual tricks.

Note that she excised the URL I posted, although I'd left
the one to which I was responding intact.

I let people see both URLs. Jan must be afraid to do this.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Quoted message said:

From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date: 4/2/2004 2:01
PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <406de2aa$0$32763$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
01.brisbane.pipenetworks. com.au>

<snip>

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, but it has not even been able to sustain a secure place
for itself within alternative medicine

B I N G O. Reason, it didn't come from organized medicine.

In other words, the alternative medical community hasn't
generally accepted laetrile because it doesn't come from
organized medicine? That doesn't make any sense unless you
assume that alternative medicine uses the same standards as
"organized" conventional medicine. And that assumption isn't
consistent with what you, in common with most supporters of
alternative medicine, assert.

Peter is asserting that the use of laetrile for cancer is
not widely accepted among proponents of alternative
medicine, specifically among proponents of alternative
cancer treatments. In other words, the notion that it's an
effective treatment for cancer is a fringe notion even among
those who oppose "EOM". To use an analogy, a *very* tiny
percentage of evangelical Christians subscribe to "Identity"
doctrines that hold that black people, Jews, etc. are pre-
Adamic "mud people" who aren't truly part of God's creation.
The *vast* majority of Christians, even extremely
conservative evangelical Christians, firmly reject such
doctrines. It would be completely wrong to say that
"Christian Identity" is a typical evangelical Christian
belief, in the *exact same sense* that it would be
completely wrong to say that proponents of alternative
cancer treatments typically accept laetrile as a treatment.
Not only is it out of the mainstream, it's out of the out-of-the-
mainstream.

"Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in news:20040402195646.27990.00000578@mb-
m12.aol.com:

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Quoted message said:

From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date: 4/2/2004
2:01 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <406de2aa$0$32763$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
01.brisbane.pipenetworks. com.au>

<snip>

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, but it has not even been able to sustain a secure
place for itself within alternative medicine

B I N G O. Reason, it didn't come from organized
medicine.

In other words, the alternative medical community hasn't
generally

accepted

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laetrile because it doesn't come from organized medicine?
That doesn't make any sense unless you assume that
alternative medicine uses the same standards as
"organized" conventional medicine. And that assumption
isn't consistent with what you, in common with most
supporters of alternative medicine, assert.

Peter is asserting that the use of laetrile for cancer is
not widely accepted among proponents of alternative
medicine, specifically among proponents of alternative
cancer treatments. In other words, the notion that it's an
effective treatment for cancer is a fringe notion even
among those who oppose "EOM". To use an analogy, a *very*
tiny percentage of evangelical Christians subscribe to
"Identity" doctrines that hold that black people, Jews,
etc. are pre-Adamic "mud people" who aren't truly part of
God's creation. The *vast* majority of Christians, even
extremely conservative evangelical Christians, firmly
reject such doctrines. It would be completely wrong to say
that "Christian Identity" is a typical evangelical
Christian belief, in the *exact same sense* that it would
be completely wrong to say that proponents of alternative
cancer treatments typically accept laetrile as a
treatment. Not only is it out of the mainstream, it's out
of the out-of-the-mainstream.

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////-
/// Cool , I had better tell my friend who had cancer that
his current good health and almost zero blood count is all
due to his imagination and has nothing to do with him taking
large amounts of apricot kernels , large doses of vitamin c
and antioxidants, guess he is just mistaken eh ? Of course
if I reported the same result for him but said that he had
just finished a course of chemo , you would be saying how
wonderful it was . What a hypocritical small minded bunch
you are . /////////////////////////////////////////////////-
///////////

Bew' qw@nonamewhatsover said:

"Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in news:20040402195646.27990.00000578@mb-
m12.aol.com:

Quoted message said:

>From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date: 4/2/2004
>2:01 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <406de2aa$0$32763$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
>01.brisbane.pipenetworks. com.au>

<snip>

>, but it has not even been able to sustain a secure
>place for itself within alternative medicine

B I N G O. Reason, it didn't come from organized
medicine.

In other words, the alternative medical community hasn't
generally

accepted

Quoted message said:

laetrile because it doesn't come from organized medicine?
That doesn't make any sense unless you assume that
alternative medicine uses the same standards as
"organized" conventional medicine. And that assumption
isn't consistent with what you, in common with most
supporters of alternative medicine, assert.

Peter is asserting that the use of laetrile for cancer is
not widely accepted among proponents of alternative
medicine, specifically among proponents of alternative
cancer treatments. In other words, the notion that it's
an effective treatment for cancer is a fringe notion even
among those who oppose "EOM". To use an analogy, a *very*
tiny percentage of evangelical Christians subscribe to
"Identity" doctrines that hold that black people, Jews,
etc. are pre-Adamic "mud people" who aren't truly part of
God's creation. The *vast* majority of Christians, even
extremely conservative evangelical Christians, firmly
reject such doctrines. It would be completely wrong to
say that "Christian Identity" is a typical evangelical
Christian belief, in the *exact same sense* that it would
be completely wrong to say that proponents of alternative
cancer treatments typically accept laetrile as a
treatment. Not only is it out of the mainstream, it's out
of the out-of-the-mainstream.

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////-
//// Cool , I had better tell my friend who had cancer that
his current good health and almost zero blood count is all
due to his imagination and has nothing to do with him
taking large amounts of apricot kernels , large doses of
vitamin c and antioxidants, guess he is just mistaken eh ?

Almost zero blood count?? Would you care to rephrase that.

IN any case your friend must be correct that his
current good health is due to apricot kernels, vitamin
C and antioxidants. There is no other explanation. Feel
better Bew??

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Of course if I reported the same result for him but said
that he had just finished a course of chemo , you would be
saying how wonderful it was . What a hypocritical small
minded bunch you are .

Hypocritical to be skeptical of an anonymous unverifiable
internet claim while applauding chemo which may be known to
help certain cancers?? OK Bew, whatever you say.

Btw, I really appreciate how you discuss topics without
resorting to gratuitous insults. You are a breath of
fresh air:-))

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 04:11:43 GMT, [email hidden] (David

Wright) said:

Mark, thanks for this. Since Jan is in my killfile, I
didn't know she was up to her usual tricks.

You really thought that Jan stopped her usual tricks??

This is one reason why kill filing may not be such a
good idea.

Another one of Jan's tricks is to respond to your post,
change what you said making it appear that you said
something that you did not. And she could do this with
impunity if you kill file her.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date: 4/2/2004
2:01 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:

<406de2aa$0$32763$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.

au>

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<snip>

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, but it has not even been able to sustain a secure place
for itself within alternative medicine

B I N G O. Reason, it didn't come from organized medicine.

Jan should re-read what Peter typed until she understands
it. Even the Alties are not too sure of it.

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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<[email hidden]>,
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040402002250.08277.00000630@mb-
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>Subject: Re: Be Informed From: [email hidden]
>(David Wright) Date: 4/1/2004 7:31 PM Pacific Standard
>Time Message-id:
><[email hidden]>
>
>In article <[email hidden]>, Bew
><qw@nonamewhatsover>

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>>theroadlesstravelledby.comwwcOpen ↗
>>foreword.htm
>
>Be further informed:
>
>quackquackOpen ↗

talkinternational.comlegal barrett baratz kingOpen ↗
bio_pharma.htm

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Quoted message said:

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Barrett is NOT qualified.

It was not written by Barrett:

The Rise and Fall of Laetrile Benjamin Wilson, M.D.

(quackwatch.orgCanceOpen ↗
r/laetrile.html)

Mark, thanks for this. Since Jan is in my killfile, I
didn't know she was up to her usual tricks.

Note that she excised the URL I posted, although I'd left
the one to which I was responding intact.

That is why I will not killfile her. She is so dishonest
that she must be watched every time she posts.

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I let people see both URLs. Jan must be afraid to do this.

That is because you are honest.

"Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in news:20040402195646.27990.00000578@mb-
m12.aol.com:

Quoted message said:

>From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date: 4/2/2004
>2:01 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:

<406de2aa$0$32763$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
01.brisbane.pipenetworks.

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>com.au>

<snip>

>, but it has not even been able to sustain a secure
>place for itself within alternative medicine

B I N G O. Reason, it didn't come from organized
medicine.

In other words, the alternative medical community hasn't
generally

accepted

Quoted message said:

laetrile because it doesn't come from organized
medicine? That doesn't make any sense unless you assume
that alternative medicine uses the same standards as
"organized" conventional medicine. And that assumption

isn't

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

consistent with what you, in common with most supporters
of alternative medicine, assert.

Peter is asserting that the use of laetrile for cancer
is not widely accepted among proponents of alternative
medicine, specifically among proponents of alternative
cancer treatments. In other words, the notion that
it's an effective treatment for cancer is a fringe
notion even

among

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

those who oppose "EOM". To use an analogy, a *very* tiny
percentage of evangelical Christians subscribe to
"Identity" doctrines that hold that black people, Jews,
etc. are pre-Adamic "mud people" who aren't truly

part

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of God's creation. The *vast* majority of Christians,
even extremely conservative evangelical Christians,
firmly reject such doctrines. It would be completely
wrong to say that "Christian Identity" is a typical
evangelical Christian belief, in the *exact same sense*
that it would be completely wrong to say that proponents
of alternative cancer treatments typically accept
laetrile as a treatment. Not only is it out of the
mainstream, it's out of the out-of-the-mainstream.

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////-
///// Cool , I had better tell my friend who had cancer
that his current good health and almost zero blood count

To go along with your almost zero IQ? You should think about
a re-write on wheat you wrote.

is all due to his imagination and has

Quoted message said:

nothing to do with him taking large amounts of apricot
kernels , large

doses

Quoted message said:

of vitamin c and antioxidants, guess he is just mistaken
eh ? Of course

if

Quoted message said:

I reported the same result for him but said that he had
just finished a course of chemo , you would be saying how
wonderful it was . What a hypocritical small minded bunch
you are .

Are you really this dense, or are you a plant by EOM to make
all Alties look stupid?

In article said:

On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 04:11:43 GMT, [email hidden]

(David Wright) said:

Mark, thanks for this. Since Jan is in my killfile, I
didn't know she was up to her usual tricks.

You really thought that Jan stopped her usual tricks??

I didn't say that. I said I didn't know she'd pulled her
typical behavior on me this time. It's not like I'm
surprised.

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This is one reason why kill filing may not be such a
good idea.

The price of not killfiling her is having to read all the
insane swill she posts. That price is too high.

Quoted message said:

Another one of Jan's tricks is to respond to your post,
change what you said making it appear that you said
something that you did not. And she could do this with
impunity if you kill file her.

She'll do it whether I killfile her or not. You seem to keep
forgetting that she's nuts.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)