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Nick Kew wrote on 17/01/2007 23:25 +0100:

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OK, an anecdote of stupidity ...

I did a little bit of maintenance on the bike yesterday.
Notably, regreased the chain, an operation that leaves
the right hand very, very greasy. Not a problem: I'm at
home, so I just go to the bathroom and wash it.

Except ...

I get to the door. Because of the heavy grease, I need to
open it with the left hand. And where are my keys? In my
right trouser pocket. A *deep* pocket, and under normal
circumstances, very practical.

Just try digging deep in your right pocket with your left
hand. Aaargh!!

BTDTGTGS

--
Tony

"...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
wildly inaccurate..."
Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Tony Raven said:

Nick Kew wrote on 17/01/2007 23:25 +0100:

Quoted message said:

OK, an anecdote of stupidity ...

I did a little bit of maintenance on the bike yesterday.
Notably, regreased the chain, an operation that leaves
the right hand very, very greasy. Not a problem: I'm at
home, so I just go to the bathroom and wash it.

Except ...

I get to the door. Because of the heavy grease, I need to
open it with the left hand. And where are my keys? In my
right trouser pocket. A *deep* pocket, and under normal
circumstances, very practical.

Just try digging deep in your right pocket with your left
hand. Aaargh!!

BTDTGTGS

The greasy shirt??

--
Brian G
www.wetwo.co.uk

Brian G wrote on 18/01/2007 15:28 +0100:

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Tony Raven said:

BTDTGTGS

The greasy shirt??

Grease stain but yours will do just as well.

--
Tony

"...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
wildly inaccurate..."
Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

In article <[email hidden]>, Nick Kew
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

OK, an anecdote of stupidity ...

I did a little bit of maintenance on the bike yesterday.
Notably, regreased the chain, an operation that leaves
the right hand very, very greasy.

You shoyuldn't use grease on bicycle chains (unless you cook the clean
chain in a tub of grease, and even then it's far from ideal for most
applications).

Quoted message said:

Not a problem: I'm at
home, so I just go to the bathroom and wash it.

Except ...

I get to the door. Because of the heavy grease, I need to
open it with the left hand. And where are my keys? In my
right trouser pocket. A *deep* pocket, and under normal
circumstances, very practical.

Just try digging deep in your right pocket with your left
hand. Aaargh!!

I learned long ago that it's a good idea to
leave the keys in the door or
tie the keys to a cord attached to your belt or
wear clothes that won't mind getting filthy or
ensure you have hand cleaner and clean rags with you
when working on bikes and cars. But I still manage to leave dirty hand
prints all over the place.

"Rob Morley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I get to the door. Because of the heavy grease, I need to
open it with the left hand. And where are my keys? In my
right trouser pocket. A *deep* pocket, and under normal
circumstances, very practical.

Just try digging deep in your right pocket with your left
hand. Aaargh!!

I learned long ago that it's a good idea to
leave the keys in the door or
tie the keys to a cord attached to your belt or
wear clothes that won't mind getting filthy or
ensure you have hand cleaner and clean rags with you
when working on bikes and cars. But I still manage to leave dirty hand
prints all over the place.

I learned even longer ago that yale-type locks were the work of loki (not
necessarily evil, just mischievous). Give me a chance of locking myself out,
and I'll do it.

cheers,
clive

Rob Morley wrote on 18/01/2007 17:00 +0100:

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I learned long ago that it's a good idea to
leave the keys in the door or
tie the keys to a cord attached to your belt or
wear clothes that won't mind getting filthy or
ensure you have hand cleaner and clean rags with you
when working on bikes and cars. But I still manage to leave dirty hand
prints all over the place.

Have you ever noticed that however many times you wash your hands
afterwards and however clean they look, they always leave a telltale
black mark on the towel?

--
Tony

"...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
wildly inaccurate..."
Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Nick Kew said:

Just try digging deep in your right pocket with your left
hand. Aaargh!!

Easy. Just remove your trousers first.

(Actually I've always managed to do it without trouser removal, but
perhaps my pockets aren't so deep).

--
Danny Colyer <URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/>
Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
"He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:00:05 -0000

Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Nick Kew
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

OK, an anecdote of stupidity ...

I did a little bit of maintenance on the bike yesterday.
Notably, regreased the chain, an operation that leaves
the right hand very, very greasy.

You shoyuldn't use grease on bicycle chains

Care to explain?

Works better for me than oil, or indeed the variants sold
at fancy prices in bike shops.

--
not me guv

Tony Raven said:

Rob Morley wrote on 18/01/2007 17:00 +0100:

Quoted message said:

I learned long ago that it's a good idea to
leave the keys in the door or
tie the keys to a cord attached to your belt or
wear clothes that won't mind getting filthy or
ensure you have hand cleaner and clean rags with you
when working on bikes and cars. But I still manage to leave dirty hand
prints all over the place.

Have you ever noticed that however many times you wash your hands
afterwards and however clean they look, they always leave a telltale
black mark on the towel?

Don't wash your towels!

James

Nick Kew wrote on 19/01/2007 00:42 +0100:

Quoted message said:

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:00:05 -0000

Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Nick Kew
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

OK, an anecdote of stupidity ...

I did a little bit of maintenance on the bike yesterday.
Notably, regreased the chain, an operation that leaves
the right hand very, very greasy.

You shoyuldn't use grease on bicycle chains

Care to explain?

Works better for me than oil, or indeed the variants sold
at fancy prices in bike shops.

Well grease will make the outside of the chain nice and greasy and mucky
but unless you are doing something else, will not touch the internal
wear surfaces of the pins and bushes in the chain which are what
actually needs the lubrication. The objective of chain lubrication is
to get the lubricant to the inside and not on the outside whereas you
seem to be doing exactly the opposite.

--
Tony

"...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
wildly inaccurate..."
Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:39:25 +0000

Tony Raven said:

Nick Kew wrote on 19/01/2007 00:42 +0100:

Quoted message said:

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:00:05 -0000

Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Nick Kew
[email hidden] says...
> OK, an anecdote of stupidity ...
>
> I did a little bit of maintenance on the bike yesterday.
> Notably, regreased the chain, an operation that leaves
> the right hand very, very greasy.
You shoyuldn't use grease on bicycle chains

Care to explain?

Works better for me than oil, or indeed the variants sold
at fancy prices in bike shops.

Well grease will make the outside of the chain nice and greasy and
mucky but unless you are doing something else, will not touch the
internal wear surfaces of the pins and bushes in the chain which are
what actually needs the lubrication. The objective of chain
lubrication is to get the lubricant to the inside and not on the
outside whereas you seem to be doing exactly the opposite.

The grease serves to keep it running smoothly, to keep out
the gunge, and to avoid it rusting up as soon as there's
a bit of [censored] around. It does that nicely.

I first picked up the tip from a motorcycling manual, and
used a lithium grease (as recommended) on my motorbike chain.
But it's about 20 years since I last had a motorbike.
Come to think of it, ISTR Richard Ballantine also waxing
lyrical about grease.

--
not me guv

Nick Kew said:

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:39:25 +0000

Tony Raven said:

Nick Kew wrote on 19/01/2007 00:42 +0100:

Quoted message said:

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:00:05 -0000
Rob Morley <[email hidden]> wrote:

> In article <[email hidden]>, Nick Kew
> [email hidden] says...
>> OK, an anecdote of stupidity ...
>>
>> I did a little bit of maintenance on the bike yesterday.
>> Notably, regreased the chain, an operation that leaves
>> the right hand very, very greasy.
> You shoyuldn't use grease on bicycle chains
Care to explain?

Works better for me than oil, or indeed the variants sold
at fancy prices in bike shops.

Well grease will make the outside of the chain nice and greasy and
mucky but unless you are doing something else, will not touch the
internal wear surfaces of the pins and bushes in the chain which are
what actually needs the lubrication. The objective of chain
lubrication is to get the lubricant to the inside and not on the
outside whereas you seem to be doing exactly the opposite.

The grease serves to keep it running smoothly, to keep out
the gunge, and to avoid it rusting up as soon as there's
a bit of [censored] around. It does that nicely.

I first picked up the tip from a motorcycling manual, and
used a lithium grease (as recommended) on my motorbike chain.
But it's about 20 years since I last had a motorbike.
Come to think of it, ISTR Richard Ballantine also waxing
lyrical about grease.

So just to be clear, are you using grease as a barrier and also using
something else as a lubricant for the moving parts of the chain?

--
Brian G
www.wetwo.co.uk

"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Rob Morley wrote on 18/01/2007 17:00 +0100:

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I learned long ago that it's a good idea to
leave the keys in the door or
tie the keys to a cord attached to your belt or
wear clothes that won't mind getting filthy or
ensure you have hand cleaner and clean rags with you
when working on bikes and cars. But I still manage to leave dirty hand
prints all over the place.

Have you ever noticed that however many times you wash your hands
afterwards and however clean they look, they always leave a telltale black
mark on the towel?

You've noticed that as well?

Alan