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  1. Hi,

    I realise remote diagnosis of bike problems is difficult, but what do
    people think, before I ask my LBS about it :

    I have a Dawes horizon which has done about 10000 miles, and been kept
    in good nick
    I took it in for a service recently - clean and relube of everything,
    change worn bits and pieces.
    I subsequently noticed (though there may be no link) an odd noise from
    - possibly - the bottom bracket
    The noise reminds me of the sound those metal ball conservation of
    momentum desk toys make - a metallic, irregular click clacking -
    roughly once or twice per revolution of the cranks, but not coinciding
    with any particular crank position
    The noise disappears when free-wheeling, and varies in intensity when
    pedalling
    The noise is completely independant of what gear I am in

    This in no way impedes the bikes functionality, but perhaps it is
    indicative of something? Could it be something to do with the bottom
    bracket bearings?

    Cheers,

    Ben

  2. Ben said:

    Hi,

    I realise remote diagnosis of bike problems is difficult, but what do
    people think, before I ask my LBS about it :

    I have a Dawes horizon which has done about 10000 miles, and been kept
    in good nick
    I took it in for a service recently - clean and relube of everything,
    change worn bits and pieces.
    I subsequently noticed (though there may be no link) an odd noise from
    - possibly - the bottom bracket
    The noise reminds me of the sound those metal ball conservation of
    momentum desk toys make - a metallic, irregular click clacking -
    roughly once or twice per revolution of the cranks, but not coinciding
    with any particular crank position
    The noise disappears when free-wheeling, and varies in intensity when
    pedalling
    The noise is completely independant of what gear I am in

    This in no way impedes the bikes functionality, but perhaps it is
    indicative of something? Could it be something to do with the bottom
    bracket bearings?

    Cheers,

    Ben

    If it is coming from your bottom braket it is a crushed bearing -
    although these are often liked to specific points in your pedalling

  3. In article <[email hidden]>, Ben
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi,

    I realise remote diagnosis of bike problems is difficult, but what do
    people think, before I ask my LBS about it :

    I have a Dawes horizon which has done about 10000 miles, and been kept
    in good nick
    I took it in for a service recently - clean and relube of everything,
    change worn bits and pieces.
    I subsequently noticed (though there may be no link) an odd noise from
    - possibly - the bottom bracket
    The noise reminds me of the sound those metal ball conservation of
    momentum desk toys make

    Newton's cradle :-)

    Quoted message said:

    - a metallic, irregular click clacking -
    roughly once or twice per revolution of the cranks, but not coinciding
    with any particular crank position
    The noise disappears when free-wheeling, and varies in intensity when
    pedalling
    The noise is completely independant of what gear I am in

    This in no way impedes the bikes functionality, but perhaps it is
    indicative of something? Could it be something to do with the bottom
    bracket bearings?


    If the bearings are too loose you should be able to detect sideways play
    - check with the crank in several positions as uneven wear can create
    tight spots and loose spots. Also look for movement between the bottom
    bracket cups and the frame when you do this - movement might occur if
    the cups haven't been properly tightened or if the thread in the frame
    is damaged. The cups should also be sitting square in the frame. To
    check the bearings aren't too tight remove the cranks and rotate the
    axle by hand (with the cranks fitted you have too much leverage to
    easily tell if the bearing are too tight).
    Clicks and clunks during pedalling can have many causes - the
    stem/steerer, bar/stem, crank/axle, crank/chainring, pedal/crank or
    saddle/seatpost interfaces are common culprits. Overtightened or
    cracked bearings can also be noisy, as can unevenly tensioned spokes.
    One of my favourite worrying noises is the one you get when the sticky-
    out end of the front derailleur cable catches against the crank as you
    pedal, or catches your leg and flicks back against something else.

  4. in message <[email hidden]>, Ben

    (') said:

    The noise reminds me of the sound those metal ball conservation of
    momentum desk toys make - a metallic, irregular click clacking -
    roughly once or twice per revolution of the cranks, but not coinciding
    with any particular crank position
    The noise disappears when free-wheeling, and varies in intensity when
    pedalling
    The noise is completely independant of what gear I am in

    Cracked or completely broken ball in either the bottom bracket or the
    drive-side rear wheel bearing. Take 'em out (quickly, before they do more
    damage to the races), inspect, replace as necessary. If you can't see the
    wrong 'un, replace the lot (although frankly I think you're likely to find
    it's actually broken into pieces). That 'click click click' noise is very
    diagnostic.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; I'd rather live in sybar-space

  5. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Ben

    (') said:

    The noise reminds me of the sound those metal ball conservation of
    momentum desk toys make - a metallic, irregular click clacking -
    roughly once or twice per revolution of the cranks, but not coinciding
    with any particular crank position
    The noise disappears when free-wheeling, and varies in intensity when
    pedalling
    The noise is completely independant of what gear I am in

    Cracked or completely broken ball in either the bottom bracket or the
    drive-side rear wheel bearing. Take 'em out (quickly, before they do more
    damage to the races), inspect, replace as necessary. If you can't see the
    wrong 'un, replace the lot (although frankly I think you're likely to find
    it's actually broken into pieces). That 'click click click' noise is very
    diagnostic.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke)http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; I'd rather live in sybar-space

    Oh dear - it's started on Sunday morning, so has done about 70 miles
    since then, but hasn't got noticeably worse. I'll get Evans to look at
    it on Thursday - which means paying them as well as my LBS (who have
    just done a service on the bike, but I caught them lubricating with
    WD40 which didn't seem right) :-(
    I wonder whether it could be related to the service from my LBS or
    not...I can't really see how, but then again they should have noticed
    it surely?

  6. In article <[email hidden]>, Ben
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Oh dear - it's started on Sunday morning, so has done about 70 miles
    since then, but hasn't got noticeably worse. I'll get Evans to look at
    it on Thursday - which means paying them as well as my LBS (who have
    just done a service on the bike, but I caught them lubricating with
    WD40 which didn't seem right) :-(
    I wonder whether it could be related to the service from my LBS or
    not...I can't really see how, but then again they should have noticed
    it surely?


    If they lubricated a ball bearing with WD40 instead of grease ...

  7. Rob Morley said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Ben
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Oh dear - it's started on Sunday morning, so has done about 70 miles
    since then, but hasn't got noticeably worse. I'll get Evans to look at
    it on Thursday - which means paying them as well as my LBS (who have
    just done a service on the bike, but I caught them lubricating with
    WD40 which didn't seem right) :-(
    I wonder whether it could be related to the service from my LBS or
    not...I can't really see how, but then again they should have noticed
    it surely?

    If they lubricated a ball bearing with WD40 instead of grease ...

    Well, Evans did a level one service on it, and noted my problem, not
    sure what they did, but unfortunately the ticking noise is still
    there. Problem is it is pretty much impossible to demonstrate in the
    shop, but obvious when riding in quiet streets - and there is nothing
    nicer than a silent bike.The BB has not changed, but then perhaps that
    is not the problem, as I assume they would have found out if it was.
    The shop staff didn't seem that interested though, so I was unable to
    glean anything further. Hmmm... perhaps I should have steered clear
    of bikes shops altogether :-)

  8. Ben said:
    Rob Morley said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Ben
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Oh dear - it's started on Sunday morning, so has done about 70 miles
    since then, but hasn't got noticeably worse. I'll get Evans to look at
    it on Thursday - which means paying them as well as my LBS (who have
    just done a service on the bike, but I caught them lubricating with
    WD40 which didn't seem right) :-(
    I wonder whether it could be related to the service from my LBS or
    not...I can't really see how, but then again they should have noticed
    it surely?

    If they lubricated a ball bearing with WD40 instead of grease ...

    Well, Evans did a level one service on it, and noted my problem, not
    sure what they did, but unfortunately the ticking noise is still
    there. Problem is it is pretty much impossible to demonstrate in the
    shop, but obvious when riding in quiet streets - and there is nothing
    nicer than a silent bike.

    Could be the cleats in the pedals, those can sometimes make a bit of
    creaking or clicking.

    Solution is an iPod or something.

  9. Ben C said:
    Ben said:
    Rob Morley said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Ben
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Oh dear - it's started on Sunday morning, so has done about 70 miles
    > since then, but hasn't got noticeably worse. I'll get Evans to look at
    > it on Thursday - which means paying them as well as my LBS (who have
    > just done a service on the bike, but I caught them lubricating with
    > WD40 which didn't seem right) :-(
    > I wonder whether it could be related to the service from my LBS or
    > not...I can't really see how, but then again they should have noticed
    > it surely?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If they lubricated a ball bearing with WD40 instead of grease ...

    Quoted message said:

    Well, Evans did a level one service on it, and noted my problem, not
    sure what they did, but unfortunately the ticking noise is still
    there. Problem is it is pretty much impossible to demonstrate in the
    shop, but obvious when riding in quiet streets - and there is nothing
    nicer than a silent bike.

    Could be the cleats in the pedals, those can sometimes make a bit of
    creaking or clicking.

    Solution is an iPod or something.

    I thought of that - but I've tried not being clipped in. It could be
    the pedal bearings - perhaps I should try riding one footed on
    alternate feet to check that one out. It only seems to happen when
    there is reasonable pressure on the pedals, as it is hard to replicate
    with the bike upended for working on. I half feel silly for worrying,
    but for years now it has been silent, so I don't see why it should
    stop :-) Also, its the DunRun in a few weeks, and annoying noises
    become very noticeable in the middle of the night :-p Maybe I'll drop
    it back by Evans...

  10. Ben said:
    Ben C said:
    Ben said:

    On 10 Jul, 10:40, Rob Morley <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > In article <[email hidden]>, Ben
    > [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    > > Oh dear - it's started on Sunday morning, so has done about 70 miles
    > > since then, but hasn't got noticeably worse. I'll get Evans to look at
    > > it on Thursday - which means paying them as well as my LBS (who have
    > > just done a service on the bike, but I caught them lubricating with
    > > WD40 which didn't seem right) :-(
    > > I wonder whether it could be related to the service from my LBS or
    > > not...I can't really see how, but then again they should have noticed
    > > it surely?

    Quoted message said:

    > If they lubricated a ball bearing with WD40 instead of grease ...

    Quoted message said:

    Well, Evans did a level one service on it, and noted my problem, not
    sure what they did, but unfortunately the ticking noise is still
    there. Problem is it is pretty much impossible to demonstrate in the
    shop, but obvious when riding in quiet streets - and there is nothing
    nicer than a silent bike.

    Could be the cleats in the pedals, those can sometimes make a bit of
    creaking or clicking.

    Solution is an iPod or something.

    I thought of that - but I've tried not being clipped in. It could be
    the pedal bearings

    It could well be, those have been clicking on and off for ages on one of
    my bikes. I thought it was the BB at first. Eventually the BB got to the
    state where it had quite a bit of play in it so I replaced it, but to my
    disappointment the clicking didn't go away.

    I also only get it when climbing hills or pushing slightly harder than
    normal on the pedals.

    I think it must be pedal bearings but it's one of those things where you
    might as well wait for it to get a bit worse and then it'll be easier to
    diagnose.

    But maybe you can take them apart and repack them, or ask Evans to do
    that. I don't know how sealed they are these days.

  11. Ben said:
    Ben C said:

    On 2007-07-12, Ben <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On 10 Jul, 10:40, Rob Morley <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > In article <[email hidden]>, Ben
    > [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Oh dear - it's started on Sunday morning, so has done about 70 miles
    > > since then, but hasn't got noticeably worse. I'll get Evans to look at
    > > it on Thursday - which means paying them as well as my LBS (who have
    > > just done a service on the bike, but I caught them lubricating with
    > > WD40 which didn't seem right) :-(
    > > I wonder whether it could be related to the service from my LBS or
    > > not...I can't really see how, but then again they should have noticed
    > > it surely?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > If they lubricated a ball bearing with WD40 instead of grease ...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Well, Evans did a level one service on it, and noted my problem, not
    sure what they did, but unfortunately the ticking noise is still
    there. Problem is it is pretty much impossible to demonstrate in the
    shop, but obvious when riding in quiet streets - and there is nothing
    nicer than a silent bike.

    Quoted message said:

    Could be the cleats in the pedals, those can sometimes make a bit of
    creaking or clicking.

    Quoted message said:

    Solution is an iPod or something.

    I thought of that - but I've tried not being clipped in. It could be
    the pedal bearings - perhaps I should try riding one footed on
    alternate feet to check that one out. It only seems to happen when
    there is reasonable pressure on the pedals, as it is hard to replicate
    with the bike upended for working on. I half feel silly for worrying,
    but for years now it has been silent, so I don't see why it should
    stop :-) Also, its the DunRun in a few weeks, and annoying noises
    become very noticeable in the middle of the night :-p Maybe I'll drop
    it back by Evans...

    Ah - I've found it. My previous statement was wrong...

    I put the bike on its back and removed the chain. I then span the
    cranks and there was a periodic, repeatable "click, click, click".
    This must be from the BB, as there are no other moving parts (the
    pedals were stationary)

    This is slightly odd, as the clicking here was regular, whereas that
    when riding is not, but it must be the same problem. I'll take it back
    into Evans and ask them to replace the bracket I think - hopefully
    gratis since they didn't notice it during the service :-)

    Ben

  12. Ben said:
    Ben said:

    On 12 Jul, 18:04, Ben C <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On 2007-07-12, Ben <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > On 10 Jul, 10:40, Rob Morley <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> In article <[email hidden]>, Ben
    >> [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> > Oh dear - it's started on Sunday morning, so has done about 70 miles
    >> > since then, but hasn't got noticeably worse. I'll get Evans to look at
    >> > it on Thursday - which means paying them as well as my LBS (who have
    >> > just done a service on the bike, but I caught them lubricating with
    >> > WD40 which didn't seem right) :-(
    >> > I wonder whether it could be related to the service from my LBS or
    >> > not...I can't really see how, but then again they should have noticed
    >> > it surely?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> If they lubricated a ball bearing with WD40 instead of grease ...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Well, Evans did a level one service on it, and noted my problem, not
    > sure what they did, but unfortunately the ticking noise is still
    > there. Problem is it is pretty much impossible to demonstrate in the
    > shop, but obvious when riding in quiet streets - and there is nothing
    > nicer than a silent bike.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Could be the cleats in the pedals, those can sometimes make a bit of
    creaking or clicking.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Solution is an iPod or something.

    Quoted message said:

    I thought of that - but I've tried not being clipped in. It could be
    the pedal bearings - perhaps I should try riding one footed on
    alternate feet to check that one out. It only seems to happen when
    there is reasonable pressure on the pedals, as it is hard to replicate
    with the bike upended for working on. I half feel silly for worrying,
    but for years now it has been silent, so I don't see why it should
    stop :-) Also, its the DunRun in a few weeks, and annoying noises
    become very noticeable in the middle of the night :-p Maybe I'll drop
    it back by Evans...

    Ah - I've found it. My previous statement was wrong...

    I put the bike on its back and removed the chain. I then span the
    cranks and there was a periodic, repeatable "click, click, click".
    This must be from the BB, as there are no other moving parts (the
    pedals were stationary)

    This is slightly odd, as the clicking here was regular, whereas that
    when riding is not, but it must be the same problem. I'll take it back
    into Evans and ask them to replace the bracket I think - hopefully
    gratis since they didn't notice it during the service :-)

    Ben

    Hmmm...on further further investigation, it seems I have maligned
    Evans unfairly. It does not seem to be the BB after all. I did however
    note that the pedal bearings hadn't been greased, so I did that, and
    they are running noticeably freer now. Maybe it will help in the
    morning :-)

    Ben

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