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  1. "Into the Fire" on FoodTV the other night did a piece on the
    Carnegie Deli. They showed the plant where Carnegie
    processes raw beef into their corned beef and pastrami. When
    a shipment came in, the guy from Carnegie asked whether the
    shipment was corned beef or navels.

    I assume that when he said corned beef, he meant brisket.
    But what's beef navel? That is, where's Bossie's pupick? A
    brief web search suggests that navel is the traditional cut
    for pastrami, and that navel is sometimes called plate,
    which I have heard of but I don't know what part of the cow
    it comes from.

    I'm not certain of all the details, but it looks as if
    Carnegie injects all the beef to be cured with a brine, and
    lets it cure 3-7 days. Then they apply their rub to the
    pastrami and smoke it for just 3 hours.

    When the meat gets to the restaurant, the corned beef is
    boiled and the pastrami is steamed (very important that the
    pastrami never touch {liquid} water, he said).

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    42.8"

  2. Louis Cohen said:

    "Into the Fire" on FoodTV the other night did a piece on
    the Carnegie Deli. They showed the plant where Carnegie
    processes raw beef into their corned beef and pastrami.
    When a shipment came in, the guy from Carnegie asked
    whether the shipment was corned beef or navels.

    I assume that when he said corned beef, he meant brisket.
    But what's beef navel? That is, where's Bossie's pupick?

    I was gonna ask this too. I watched the show twice
    yesterday. They said the corned beef was made with brisket,
    but the pastrami was from the naval.

    Same questions remain - WTF is naval? I've never seen it in
    any stores. It looks like a great BBQ cut - similar to
    brisket but it's fat is better distributed.

    Quoted message said:

    A brief web search suggests that navel is the traditional
    cut for pastrami, and that navel is sometimes called plate,
    which I have heard of but I don't know what part of the cow
    it comes from.

    I think plate is the meat attached to short ribs. It could
    be slabs of boneless short ribs. But these were pretty thick
    - nice rectangular cubes of meat. Much more even than a
    brisket, probably 8-9lbs each from what I saw. Must be a well-
    guarded cut of meat. [censored].

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not certain of all the details, but it looks as if
    Carnegie injects all the beef to be cured with a brine, and
    lets it cure 3-7 days. Then they apply their rub to the
    pastrami and smoke it for just 3 hours.

    Yeah, I took note of that as well. 3 hours until it got to
    be 165F inside. They didn't say at what temp it was smoked,
    though. And the curing for 3-7 days? That's quite a spread.

    Quoted message said:

    When the meat gets to the restaurant, the corned beef is
    boiled and the pastrami is steamed (very important that the
    pastrami never touch {liquid} water, he said).

    All the smoke flavor would simmer/boil out.

    I wonder how much Carnegie Deli paid for that promo.

    -sw

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    "Steve Wertz" <[email hidden]> wrote
    in message

    Quoted message said:

    Same questions remain - WTF is naval? I've never seen it
    in any stores. It looks like a great BBQ cut - similar to
    brisket but it's fat is better distributed.

    I found a few reference to it, but not a definition of
    naval. None of the meat chats show anything called naval.

    freirich.comproduct.asp cona-cona-
    grafoodservice.com/product_detail.asp?fUPC=7495619153

    Pastrami Beef - Available in flat, eye of round and naval -
    fully cooked with our special blend of spices, pepper and
    coriander makes this Romanian style pastrami a delightful
    taste treat

  4. Quoted message said:

    "Louis Cohen"

    Quoted message said:

    "Into the Fire" on FoodTV the other night did a piece on
    the Carnegie Deli. They showed the plant where Carnegie
    processes raw beef into their corned beef and pastrami.
    When a shipment came in, the guy from Carnegie asked
    whether the shipment was corned beef or navels.

    I assume that when he said corned beef, he meant brisket.
    But what's beef navel?

    winespectator.com0,1
    275,3410,00.html

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  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Edwin Pawlowski said:

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    "Steve Wertz" <[email hidden]> wrote
    in message

    Quoted message said:

    Same questions remain - WTF is naval? I've never seen it
    in any stores. It looks like a great BBQ cut - similar to
    brisket but it's fat is better distributed.

    I found a few reference to it, but not a definition of
    naval. None of the meat chats show anything called naval.

    freirich.comproduct.asp con-con-
    agrafoodservice.com/product_detail.asp?fUPC=7495619153

    Pastrami Beef - Available in flat, eye of round and naval -
    fully cooked with our special blend of spices, pepper and
    coriander makes this Romanian style pastrami a delightful
    taste treat

    I found several places that said "plate (navel)" when I
    searched for these keywords "navel beef pastrami"

    Chuck Demas

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  6. Some further 'net research reveals that navel is an
    alternate name for the plate. The plate appears to be just
    aft of the brisket and is where fajitas come from; the
    diaphragm muscle (skirt steak and the traditional source for
    fajitas) is one part of the plate, I think.

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    Louis Cohen Living la vida loca at N37° 43' 7.9" W122° 8'
    42.8"

    "Louis Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:v-KdnaB1TYB8fRzdRVn-
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Into the Fire" on FoodTV the other night did a piece on
    the Carnegie


    Deli.

    Quoted message said:

    They showed the plant where Carnegie processes raw beef
    into their corned beef and pastrami. When a shipment came
    in, the guy from Carnegie asked whether the shipment was
    corned beef or navels.

    I assume that when he said corned beef, he meant
    brisket. But what's beef navel? That is, where's
    Bossie's pupick? A brief web search suggests that navel
    is the traditional cut for


    pastrami,

    Quoted message said:

    and that navel is sometimes called plate, which I have
    heard of but I


    don't

    Quoted message said:

    know what part of the cow it comes from.

    I'm not certain of all the details, but it looks as if
    Carnegie injects


    all

    Quoted message said:

    the beef to be cured with a brine, and lets it cure 3-7
    days. Then they apply their rub to the pastrami and smoke
    it for just 3 hours.

    When the meat gets to the restaurant, the corned beef is
    boiled and the pastrami is steamed (very important that
    the pastrami never touch {liquid} water, he said).

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    ----------------


    --

    Quoted message said:

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    Louis Cohen
    Living la vida loca at N37° 43' 7.9" W122° 8' 42.8"

  7. "Louis Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Into the Fire" on FoodTV the other night did a piece on
    the Carnegie


    Deli.

    Quoted message said:

    They showed the plant where Carnegie processes raw beef
    into their corned beef and pastrami. When a shipment came
    in, the guy from Carnegie asked whether the shipment was
    corned beef or navels.

    I assume that when he said corned beef, he meant
    brisket. But what's beef navel? That is, where's
    Bossie's pupick? A brief web search suggests that navel
    is the traditional cut for


    pastrami,

    Quoted message said:

    and that navel is sometimes called plate, which I have
    heard of but I


    don't

    Quoted message said:

    know what part of the cow it comes from.

    Here: balcorp.combeef.html

    Then here : balcorp.comTngplate.htm

    Then here: balcorp.comIm121B.htm

    Dimitri

  8. Dimitri said:

    "Louis Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Into the Fire" on FoodTV the other night did a piece on
    the Carnegie

    Deli.

    Quoted message said:

    They showed the plant where Carnegie processes raw beef
    into their corned beef and pastrami. When a shipment came
    in, the guy from Carnegie asked whether the shipment was
    corned beef or navels.

    I assume that when he said corned beef, he meant brisket.
    But what's beef navel? That is, where's Bossie's pupick?

    Why is the Pupick a cow's belly button, but a fowl's tail? I
    am confused. As usually.

    --
    Margaret Suran Why is it that inside every older person is a
    younger person, wondering what the heck happened.

  9. Louis Cohen said:


    "Into the Fire" on FoodTV the other night did a piece on
    the Carnegie Deli. They showed the plant where Carnegie
    processes raw beef into their corned beef and pastrami.
    When a shipment came in, the guy from Carnegie asked
    whether the shipment was corned beef or navels.

    I assume that when he said corned beef, he meant
    brisket. But what's beef navel? That is, where's
    Bossie's pupick? A brief web search suggests that navel
    is the traditional cut for pastrami, and that navel is
    sometimes called plate,

    This is so weird. I haven't heard of plate in years. And now
    twice in a very short time! My sister and I were talking a
    couple of weeks ago about homemade vegetable soup which I
    had just made and she was asking what meat I used. I said
    that I always used to use short ribs (as that's what I
    remember my mother and grandmother using) but I haven't used
    them for years. Seems since Korean food got trendy what used
    to be cheap "trash" meat is now too expensive for my pocket.
    (Same with chicken wings, dammit!) Anyhow, she said she
    remembered Gram using plate. I then recalled that we used to
    use plate for something but I have no idea what. And I have
    no idea what part of the cow it is. My sister said she
    thought it was similar to skirt steak used in fajitas.
    Anyway, I have never seen it in the stores in the last 20 or
    so years that I recall. I thought they just didn't sell that
    cut anymore or maybe it has a new name. I know that a lot of
    the cuts of meat I was used to from Pittsburgh were
    different when I was living in Calif. Either they didn't
    have that cut or the called it something else.

    Kate

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