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On Thu, 13 May 2004 09:45:12 +0100, JohnB <[email hidden]> wrote
(more or less):

Quoted message said:

Swamp Monster has been spouting on my radio about her Brands Hatch to
Monaco Bike Ride which starts today and how cycling without a helmet can
be very dangerous and that 25,000 children receive casualty treatment
from head injuries p.a. plus a lot more that go unreported. <yawn>

Seems there are only a dozen or so riders with Soap 'star' Adam Woodyatt
being wheeled out along with Richard Dodd (former UK Hockey Team captain).

Woodyatt is just doing a lap of BH.

So it looks *very* well supported then :-)

And if we get a full list of 'celebrity' runners and riders, we know
who to target with genuine information about the need for, and
effectiveness of, helmets.

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JohnB said:

Swamp Monster has been spouting on my radio about her Brands Hatch to
Monaco Bike Ride which starts today and how cycling without a helmet can
be very dangerous and that 25,000 children receive casualty treatment
from head injuries p.a. plus a lot more that go unreported. <yawn>

Quoted message said:

John B

Ironic that something that is primarily (totally) cycling related should
have such close connections to motorsport, no? What's the logic behind
that, then? Apart from the Coulthard connection?
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Michael MacClancy said:

Ironic that something that is primarily (totally) cycling related should
have such close connections to motorsport, no? What's the logic behind
that, then? Apart from the Coulthard connection?

Because nobody involved in high profile cycle sport is clueless enough
about cycling issues to have anything to do with it?

Pete.
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Peter Clinch said:

Michael MacClancy said:

Ironic that something that is primarily (totally) cycling related should
have such close connections to motorsport, no? What's the logic behind
that, then? Apart from the Coulthard connection?

Because nobody involved in high profile cycle sport is clueless enough
about cycling issues to have anything to do with it?

Pete.

Perhaps the motor industry is behind this entire helmet business. The
logic is that compulsory helmets will force people off bikes and into cars.

No, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, am I? ;-)
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in message <[email hidden]>, JohnB ([email hidden]'😉

Quoted message said:

Swamp Monster has been spouting on my radio about her Brands Hatch to
Monaco Bike Ride which starts today and how cycling without a helmet
can be very dangerous and that 25,000 children receive casualty
treatment from head injuries p.a. plus a lot more that go unreported.
<yawn>

Seems there are only a dozen or so riders with Soap 'star' Adam
Woodyatt being wheeled out along with Richard Dodd (former UK Hockey
Team captain).

Woodyatt is just doing a lap of BH.

So it looks *very* well supported then :-)

Can't help feeling that (if one were on the route) it would be amusing
to rustle up a bunch of a dozen or so friends bar t'at and go and
accompany them...

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Quoted message said:

JohnB said:

Swamp Monster has been spouting on my radio about her Brands Hatch to
Monaco Bike Ride which starts today and how cycling without a helmet can
be very dangerous and that 25,000 children receive casualty treatment
from head injuries p.a. plus a lot more that go unreported. <yawn>

Quoted message said:

Ironic that something that is primarily (totally) cycling related should
have such close connections to motorsport, no? What's the logic behind
that, then? Apart from the Coulthard connection?

Racing drivers wear helmets. Obvious innit?

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Dave Kahn said:

Racing drivers wear helmets. Obvious innit?

But so, as BHIT are /very/ keen to point out, do professional racing
cyclists. If they'd had their brains taken out first, people like
Boardman and Queally would make much more obvious figureheads (or at
least I'd have thought). And not just through the sport connection, but
by actually being at the top of their particular game.

Pete.
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On 13 May 2004 07:34:31 -0700 someone who may be
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Racing drivers wear helmets. Obvious innit?

Then they and Ms Lee should be campaigning for car helmets.

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Peter Clinch said:

Dave Kahn said:

Racing drivers wear helmets. Obvious innit?

But so, as BHIT are /very/ keen to point out, do professional racing
cyclists. If they'd had their brains taken out first, people like
Boardman and Queally would make much more obvious figureheads (or at
least I'd have thought). And not just through the sport connection,
but by actually being at the top of their particular game.

Just as a point of clarification (and I'm sure Pete knows this, but the post
could be misread), neither Queally or Boardman are on record as supporting
the BHIT compulsory helmet legislation.

Queally's agent specifically clarified his position as being not in favour
of the Martlew Bill.

Boardman sits on the National Cycling Strategy Board which came out against
compulsion, and was lambasted as being a quango of irrelevant people wasting
public money by MP Martlew. (When I looked at the Board's composition, I was
reasonably content that the members might know one end of a bicycle from the
other).

Queally & Boardman may, or may not, be in favour of increased helmet
wearing.

- Nigel

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Peter Clinch said:

Dave Kahn said:

Racing drivers wear helmets. Obvious innit?

But so, as BHIT are /very/ keen to point out, do professional racing
cyclists. If they'd had their brains taken out first, people like
Boardman and Queally would make much more obvious figureheads (or at
least I'd have thought). And not just through the sport connection, but
by actually being at the top of their particular game.

Not always out of choice. The rule was a knee-jerk reaction by the UCI,
and you may have noticed that few riders wear them in the mountains. I
can understand the insane sprinters wanting to wear them on flat stages,
but unfortunately Cipo wasn't wearing one on his ankle the other day.

David Hansen said:

Then they and Ms Lee should be campaigning for car helmets.

Don't racing drivers already wear car helmets? Perhaps we can add roll
cages, bucket seats, 5 point seat belts and fireproof overalls.

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Zog The Undeniable said:

Peter Clinch said:

Dave Kahn said:

Racing drivers wear helmets. Obvious innit?

But so, as BHIT are /very/ keen to point out, do professional racing
cyclists. If they'd had their brains taken out first, people like
Boardman and Queally would make much more obvious figureheads (or at
least I'd have thought). And not just through the sport connection,
but by actually being at the top of their particular game.

Not always out of choice. The rule was a knee-jerk reaction by the UCI,
and you may have noticed that few riders wear them in the mountains. I
can understand the insane sprinters wanting to wear them on flat stages,
but unfortunately Cipo wasn't wearing one on his ankle the other day.

I think I heard that they're required to wear the helmet all the time,
unless the stage finishes on an uphill climb on a mountain, in which
case they can discard the helmets at any point on that final climb. I
could be wrong, but last year I was wondering what was going on when a
few of them didn't have them on in the TdF - I guess this was why.

Seems that the UCI decided the risk of injury is great enough at the
speeds the riders do on anything but the final climb - and so they leave
it to each rider's judgement on that last stretch upwards.

Personally, I can see they may be more prone to falls on that last
stretch regardless, but I guess the slower it is the less the risk, very
broadly speaking, and there's no way they could get helmets back on
after discarding on every mountain climb of a stage, in time for the
descent. So it seems like a compromise of sorts - maybe the only way
they could get it accepted by the majority was to allow discards on the
final climb, or risk total revolt by the whole field, I don't know.

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NC said:

Just as a point of clarification (and I'm sure Pete knows this, but the post
could be misread), neither Queally or Boardman are on record as supporting
the BHIT compulsory helmet legislation.

Worth emphasizing, you're right. My original "if they had their brains
removed" was meant to suggest they don't normally appear to think this way.

Pete.
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Zog The Undeniable said:

Quoted message said:

But so, as BHIT are /very/ keen to point out, do professional racing
cyclists.

Quoted message said:

Not always out of choice. The rule was a knee-jerk reaction by the
UCI, and you may have noticed that few riders wear them in the
mountains. I can understand the insane sprinters wanting to wear
them on flat stages, but unfortunately Cipo wasn't wearing one on his
ankle the other day.

I also noticed in the comic several pictures of riders training
(individually and as teams), often without lids.

There is also the question of how often in your daily riding you exceed
50mph down a mountain, and how often you ride on aerobars against the clock.
In my case the answer to both is "never".

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Velvet said:

Seems that the UCI decided the risk of injury is great enough at the
speeds the riders do on anything but the final climb - and so they
leave it to each rider's judgement on that last stretch upwards.

Actually the UCI were probably pushed into it by clueless insurers. Riders
have died both with and without helmets. And the mountai thing is not about
speed, it's about heat.

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Just zis Guy said:

There is also the question of how often in your daily riding you exceed
50mph down a mountain, and how often you ride on aerobars against the clock.
In my case the answer to both is "never".

In my case it's probably once a week for both, but what the hell - I
still can't breathe if I wear a helmet.