BeHiT Ride today

On Thu, 13 May 2004 09:45:12 +0100, JohnB <[email hidden]> wrote
(more or less):

Quoted message said:

Swamp Monster has been spouting on my radio about her
Brands Hatch to Monaco Bike Ride which starts today and how
cycling without a helmet can be very dangerous and that
25,000 children receive casualty treatment from head
injuries p.a. plus a lot more that go unreported. <yawn>

Seems there are only a dozen or so riders with Soap 'star'
Adam Woodyatt being wheeled out along with Richard Dodd
(former UK Hockey Team captain).

Woodyatt is just doing a lap of BH.

So it looks *very* well supported then :-)

And if we get a full list of 'celebrity' runners and riders,
we know who to target with genuine information about the
need for, and effectiveness of, helmets.

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JohnB said:

Swamp Monster has been spouting on my radio about her
Brands Hatch to Monaco Bike Ride which starts today and
how cycling without a helmet can be very dangerous and
that 25,000 children receive casualty treatment from head
injuries p.a. plus a lot more that go unreported. <yawn>

Quoted message said:

John B

Ironic that something that is primarily (totally) cycling
related should have such close connections to motorsport,
no? What's the logic behind that, then? Apart from the
Coulthard connection?
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Michael MacClancy said:

Ironic that something that is primarily (totally) cycling
related should have such close connections to motorsport,
no? What's the logic behind that, then? Apart from the
Coulthard connection?

Because nobody involved in high profile cycle sport is
clueless enough about cycling issues to have anything to
do with it?

Pete.
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Peter Clinch said:

Michael MacClancy said:

Ironic that something that is primarily (totally) cycling
related should have such close connections to motorsport,
no? What's the logic behind that, then? Apart from the
Coulthard connection?

Because nobody involved in high profile cycle sport is
clueless enough about cycling issues to have anything to
do with it?

Pete.

Perhaps the motor industry is behind this entire helmet
business. The logic is that compulsory helmets will force
people off bikes and into cars.

No, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, am I? ;-)
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Quoted message said:

JohnB said:

Swamp Monster has been spouting on my radio about her
Brands Hatch to Monaco Bike Ride which starts today and
how cycling without a helmet can be very dangerous and
that 25,000 children receive casualty treatment from
head injuries p.a. plus a lot more that go unreported.
<yawn>

Quoted message said:

Ironic that something that is primarily (totally) cycling
related should have such close connections to motorsport,
no? What's the logic behind that, then? Apart from the
Coulthard connection?

Racing drivers wear helmets. Obvious innit?

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Dave Kahn said:

Racing drivers wear helmets. Obvious innit?

But so, as BHIT are /very/ keen to point out, do
professional racing cyclists. If they'd had their brains
taken out first, people like Boardman and Queally would make
much more obvious figureheads (or at least I'd have
thought). And not just through the sport connection, but by
actually being at the top of their particular game.

Pete.
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Dave Kahn said:

Racing drivers wear helmets. Obvious innit?

But so, as BHIT are /very/ keen to point out, do
professional racing cyclists. If they'd had their brains
taken out first, people like Boardman and Queally would make
much more obvious figureheads (or at least I'd have
thought). And not just through the sport connection, but by
actually being at the top of their particular game.

Pete.
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On 13 May 2004 07:34:31 -0700 someone who may be
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Quoted message said:

Racing drivers wear helmets. Obvious innit?

Then they and Ms Lee should be campaigning for car helmets.

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On 13 May 2004 07:34:31 -0700 someone who may be
[email hidden] (Dave Kahn) wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Racing drivers wear helmets. Obvious innit?

Then they and Ms Lee should be campaigning for car helmets.

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Peter Clinch said:

Dave Kahn said:

Racing drivers wear helmets. Obvious innit?

But so, as BHIT are /very/ keen to point out, do
professional racing cyclists. If they'd had their brains
taken out first, people like Boardman and Queally would
make much more obvious figureheads (or at least I'd have
thought). And not just through the sport connection, but
by actually being at the top of their particular game.

Just as a point of clarification (and I'm sure Pete knows
this, but the post could be misread), neither Queally or
Boardman are on record as supporting the BHIT compulsory
helmet legislation.

Queally's agent specifically clarified his position as being
not in favour of the Martlew Bill.

Boardman sits on the National Cycling Strategy Board which
came out against compulsion, and was lambasted as being a
quango of irrelevant people wasting public money by MP
Martlew. (When I looked at the Board's composition, I was
reasonably content that the members might know one end of a
bicycle from the other).

Queally & Boardman may, or may not, be in favour of
increased helmet wearing.

- Nigel

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Peter Clinch said:

Dave Kahn said:

Racing drivers wear helmets. Obvious innit?

But so, as BHIT are /very/ keen to point out, do
professional racing cyclists. If they'd had their brains
taken out first, people like Boardman and Queally would
make much more obvious figureheads (or at least I'd have
thought). And not just through the sport connection, but
by actually being at the top of their particular game.

Just as a point of clarification (and I'm sure Pete knows
this, but the post could be misread), neither Queally or
Boardman are on record as supporting the BHIT compulsory
helmet legislation.

Queally's agent specifically clarified his position as being
not in favour of the Martlew Bill.

Boardman sits on the National Cycling Strategy Board which
came out against compulsion, and was lambasted as being a
quango of irrelevant people wasting public money by MP
Martlew. (When I looked at the Board's composition, I was
reasonably content that the members might know one end of a
bicycle from the other).

Queally & Boardman may, or may not, be in favour of
increased helmet wearing.

- Nigel

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Peter Clinch said:

Dave Kahn said:

Racing drivers wear helmets. Obvious innit?

But so, as BHIT are /very/ keen to point out, do
professional racing cyclists. If they'd had their brains
taken out first, people like Boardman and Queally would
make much more obvious figureheads (or at least I'd have
thought). And not just through the sport connection, but
by actually being at the top of their particular game.

Just as a point of clarification (and I'm sure Pete knows
this, but the post could be misread), neither Queally or
Boardman are on record as supporting the BHIT compulsory
helmet legislation.

Queally's agent specifically clarified his position as being
not in favour of the Martlew Bill.

Boardman sits on the National Cycling Strategy Board which
came out against compulsion, and was lambasted as being a
quango of irrelevant people wasting public money by MP
Martlew. (When I looked at the Board's composition, I was
reasonably content that the members might know one end of a
bicycle from the other).

Queally & Boardman may, or may not, be in favour of
increased helmet wearing.

- Nigel

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Peter Clinch said:

Dave Kahn said:

Racing drivers wear helmets. Obvious innit?

But so, as BHIT are /very/ keen to point out, do
professional racing cyclists. If they'd had their brains
taken out first, people like Boardman and Queally would
make much more obvious figureheads (or at least I'd have
thought). And not just through the sport connection, but
by actually being at the top of their particular game.

Not always out of choice. The rule was a knee-jerk reaction
by the UCI, and you may have noticed that few riders wear
them in the mountains. I can understand the insane sprinters
wanting to wear them on flat stages, but unfortunately Cipo
wasn't wearing one on his ankle the other day.

David Hansen said:

Then they and Ms Lee should be campaigning for car
helmets.

Don't racing drivers already wear car helmets? Perhaps we
can add roll cages, bucket seats, 5 point seat belts and
fireproof overalls.

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Zog The Undeniable said:

Peter Clinch said:

Dave Kahn said:

Racing drivers wear helmets. Obvious innit?

But so, as BHIT are /very/ keen to point out, do
professional racing cyclists. If they'd had their brains
taken out first, people like Boardman and Queally would
make much more obvious figureheads (or at least I'd have
thought). And not just through the sport connection, but
by actually being at the top of their particular game.

Not always out of choice. The rule was a knee-jerk
reaction by the UCI, and you may have noticed that few
riders wear them in the mountains. I can understand the
insane sprinters wanting to wear them on flat stages, but
unfortunately Cipo wasn't wearing one on his ankle the
other day.

I think I heard that they're required to wear the helmet all
the time, unless the stage finishes on an uphill climb on a
mountain, in which case they can discard the helmets at any
point on that final climb. I could be wrong, but last year I
was wondering what was going on when a few of them didn't
have them on in the TdF - I guess this was why.

Seems that the UCI decided the risk of injury is great
enough at the speeds the riders do on anything but the final
climb - and so they leave it to each rider's judgement on
that last stretch upwards.

Personally, I can see they may be more prone to falls on
that last stretch regardless, but I guess the slower it is
the less the risk, very broadly speaking, and there's no way
they could get helmets back on after discarding on every
mountain climb of a stage, in time for the descent. So it
seems like a compromise of sorts - maybe the only way they
could get it accepted by the majority was to allow discards
on the final climb, or risk total revolt by the whole field,
I don't know.

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NC said:

Just as a point of clarification (and I'm sure Pete knows
this, but the post could be misread), neither Queally or
Boardman are on record as supporting the BHIT compulsory
helmet legislation.

Worth emphasizing, you're right. My original "if they had
their brains removed" was meant to suggest they don't
normally appear to think this way.

Pete.
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Zog The Undeniable said:

Quoted message said:

But so, as BHIT are /very/ keen to point out, do
professional racing cyclists.

Quoted message said:

Not always out of choice. The rule was a knee-jerk
reaction by the UCI, and you may have noticed that few
riders wear them in the mountains. I can understand the
insane sprinters wanting to wear them on flat stages, but
unfortunately Cipo wasn't wearing one on his ankle the
other day.

I also noticed in the comic several pictures of riders
training (individually and as teams), often without lids.

There is also the question of how often in your daily
riding you exceed 50mph down a mountain, and how often you
ride on aerobars against the clock. In my case the answer
to both is "never".

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Velvet said:

Seems that the UCI decided the risk of injury is great
enough at the speeds the riders do on anything but the
final climb - and so they leave it to each rider's
judgement on that last stretch upwards.

Actually the UCI were probably pushed into it by clueless
insurers. Riders have died both with and without helmets.
And the mountai thing is not about speed, it's about heat.

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Just zis Guy said:

There is also the question of how often in your daily
riding you exceed 50mph down a mountain, and how often you
ride on aerobars against the clock. In my case the answer
to both is "never".

In my case it's probably once a week for both, but what the
hell - I still can't breathe if I wear a helmet.