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  1. Beijing Steam Buns Include Cardboard
    Thursday July 12, 2007 10:01 AM

    BEIJING (AP) - Chopped cardboard, softened with an industrial chemical
    and made tasty with pork flavoring, is a main ingredient in batches of
    steamed buns sold in one Beijing neighborhood, state television said.

    The report, aired late Wednesday on China Central Television,
    highlights the country's problems with food safety despite government
    efforts to improve the situation.

    Countless small, often illegally run operations exist across China and
    make money cutting corners by using inexpensive ingredients or
    unsavory substitutes. They are almost impossible to regulate.

    China Central Television's undercover investigation features the
    shirtless, shorts-clad maker of the buns, called baozi, explaining the
    contents of the product sold in Beijing's sprawling Chaoyang
    district.

    The hidden camera follows the man, whose face is not shown, into a
    ramshackle building where steamers are filled with the fluffy white
    buns, traditionally stuffed with minced pork.

    The surroundings are filthy, with water puddles and piles of old
    furniture and cardboard on the ground.

    ``What's in the recipe?'' the reporter asks. ``Six to four,'' the man
    says.

    ``You mean 60 percent cardboard? What is the other 40 percent?'' asks
    the reporter. ``Fatty meat,'' the man replies.

    The bun maker and his assistants then give a demonstration on how the
    product is made.

    Squares of cardboard picked from the ground are first soaked to a pulp
    in a plastic basin of caustic soda - a chemical base commonly used in
    manufacturing paper and soap - then chopped into tiny morsels with a
    cleaver. Fatty pork and powdered seasoning are stirred in.

    Soon, steaming servings of the buns appear on-screen. The reporter
    takes a bite.

    ``This baozi filling is kind of tough. Not much taste,'' he says.
    ``Can other people taste the difference?''

    ``Most people can't. It fools the average person,'' the maker says.
    ``I don't eat them myself.''

    The police eventually show up and shut down the operation.

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    unsavory substitutes. They are almost impossible to regulate.

    really? a law requiring execution if you get caught oughta do it.

  3. [email hidden] () wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    BEIJING (AP) - Chopped cardboard, softened with an industrial
    chemical and made tasty with pork flavoring, is a main ingredient
    in batches of steamed buns sold in one Beijing neighborhood, state
    television said.

    A high-fiber substitute for pork?

    Sounds like a healthy choice :-)

    --
    Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | [email hidden]

  4. Quoted message said:

    Beijing Steam Buns Include Cardboard
    Thursday July 12, 2007 10:01 AM

    BEIJING (AP) - Chopped cardboard, softened with an industrial chemical
    and made tasty with pork flavoring, is a main ingredient in batches of
    steamed buns sold in one Beijing neighborhood, state television said.

    How horrible!
    Such is an unspeakable evil.

  5. Bert Hyman said:

    [email hidden] () wrote innews:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    BEIJING (AP) - Chopped cardboard, softened with an industrial
    chemical and made tasty with pork flavoring, is a main ingredient
    in batches of steamed buns sold in one Beijing neighborhood, state
    television said.

    A high-fiber substitute for pork?

    Sounds like a healthy choice :-)

    --
    Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | [email hidden]

    The 40% fatty pork makes it unhealthy.

  6. Bert Hyman said:

    [email hidden] () wrote innews:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    BEIJING (AP) - Chopped cardboard, softened with an industrial
    chemical and made tasty with pork flavoring, is a main ingredient
    in batches of steamed buns sold in one Beijing neighborhood, state
    television said.

    A high-fiber substitute for pork?

    Sounds like a healthy choice :-)

    Bert, care to try one?

    Quoted message said:


    --
    Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | [email hidden]

  7. [email hidden] (rst0wxyz) wrote in
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    Quoted message said:
    Bert Hyman said:

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    Quoted message said:

    BEIJING (AP) - Chopped cardboard, softened with an industrial
    chemical and made tasty with pork flavoring, is a main
    ingredient in batches of steamed buns sold in one Beijing
    neighborhood, state television said.

    A high-fiber substitute for pork?

    Sounds like a healthy choice :-)

    Bert, care to try one?

    It would probably be better than the Fiber One cereal I choke down
    every morning :-)

    Cellulose-derived fiber is a common ingredient in many "high fiber"
    foods and diet supplements.

    --
    Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | [email hidden]

  8. [email hidden] (James) wrote in
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    Quoted message said:
    Bert Hyman said:

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    Quoted message said:

    BEIJING (AP) - Chopped cardboard, softened with an industrial
    chemical and made tasty with pork flavoring, is a main
    ingredient in batches of steamed buns sold in one Beijing
    neighborhood, state television said.

    A high-fiber substitute for pork?

    Sounds like a healthy choice :-)

    The 40% fatty pork makes it unhealthy.

    But still better than if it was 100% fatty pork, don't you think?

    --
    Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | [email hidden]

  9. Bert Hyman said:

    [email hidden] (rst0wxyz) wrote innews:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Bert Hyman said:

    [email hidden] () wrote
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > BEIJING (AP) - Chopped cardboard, softened with an industrial
    > chemical and made tasty with pork flavoring, is a main
    > ingredient in batches of steamed buns sold in one Beijing
    > neighborhood, state television said.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A high-fiber substitute for pork?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sounds like a healthy choice :-)

    Quoted message said:

    Bert, care to try one?

    It would probably be better than the Fiber One cereal I choke down
    every morning :-)

    Cellulose-derived fiber is a common ingredient in many "high fiber"
    foods and diet supplements.

    Well, Bert, at least you admit the U.S. food makers also do the same
    thing, but in cleaner surroundings. Others only condemn China.

  10. rst0wxyz said:
    Bert Hyman said:

    [email hidden] (rst0wxyz) wrote innews:[email hidden]:

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    On Jul 12, 6:42 am, Bert Hyman <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > [email hidden] () wrote
    > innews:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > BEIJING (AP) - Chopped cardboard, softened with an industrial
    > > chemical and made tasty with pork flavoring, is a main
    > > ingredient in batches of steamed buns sold in one Beijing
    > > neighborhood, state television said.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > A high-fiber substitute for pork?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Sounds like a healthy choice :-)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Bert, care to try one?

    Quoted message said:

    It would probably be better than the Fiber One cereal I choke down
    every morning :-)

    Quoted message said:

    Cellulose-derived fiber is a common ingredient in many "high fiber"
    foods and diet supplements.

    Well, Bert, at least you admit the U.S. food makers also do the same
    thing, but in cleaner surroundings. Others only condemn China.- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    You see no difference between the 2 other than the hygiene? How about
    the caustic soda used as a cardboard softener? How about the false
    advertising? US food makers are honest about the product they are
    marketing.

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb223/is_200701/ai_n18909233

    The Dow Chemical Company has introduced Fortefiber soluble dietary
    fiber. Clinical data show Fortefiber offers proven benefits in the
    management of health issues related to blood glucose and cholesterol.
    Fortefiber is available in a variety of grades and can be custom-
    designed to address any specific texture needs or formulations--
    ranging from liquids to hard snacks.

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    How about the caustic soda used as a cardboard softener?

    "Lutefisk is made from air-dried whitefish (normally cod, but ling is
    also used), prepared with lye, in a sequence of particular
    treatments. The first treatment is to soak the stockfish in cold
    water for five to six days (with the water changed daily). The
    saturated stockfish is then soaked in an unchanged solution of cold
    water and lye for an additional two days."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutefisk#Preparation

    Mmmmm....

    --
    Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | [email hidden]

  12. Quoted message said:

    On Jul 12, 7:40 am, rst0wxyz <[email hidden]> wrote:
    You see no difference between the 2 other than the hygiene? How about
    the caustic soda used as a cardboard softener? How about the false
    advertising? US food makers are honest about the product they are
    marketing.

    Well, Bill Moore, I have been saying it many times. China gotta
    change. China is huge. They just emerged from a 5,000 year sleep.
    With 1.3 billion people, it will take time. I think their leaders
    have good intentions, but their way of life for the past 5,000 years
    has been a hinder every step of the way. Dictatorship will be faster
    to improve the country. Democracy will destroy China as everyone will
    want to go their way.

    Quoted message said:


    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb223/is_200701/ai_n18909233

    The Dow Chemical Company has introduced Fortefiber soluble dietary
    fiber. Clinical data show Fortefiber offers proven benefits in the
    management of health issues related to blood glucose and cholesterol.
    Fortefiber is available in a variety of grades and can be custom-
    designed to address any specific texture needs or formulations--
    ranging from liquids to hard snacks.- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

  13. Bert Hyman said:

    [email hidden] () wrote innews:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    How about the caustic soda used as a cardboard softener?

    "Lutefisk is made from air-dried whitefish (normally cod, but ling is
    also used), prepared with lye, in a sequence of particular
    treatments. The first treatment is to soak the stockfish in cold
    water for five to six days (with the water changed daily). The
    saturated stockfish is then soaked in an unchanged solution of cold
    water and lye for an additional two days."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutefisk#Preparation

    Mmmmm....

    OK, but also:

    "To make the fish edible, a final treatment of yet another four to six
    days of soaking in cold water (also changed daily) is needed."

    Not that it sounds appetizing, but...

  14. Quoted message said:
    Bert Hyman said:

    [email hidden] () wrote innews:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    How about the caustic soda used as a cardboard softener?

    Quoted message said:

    "Lutefisk is made from air-dried whitefish (normally cod, but ling is
    also used), prepared with lye, in a sequence of particular
    treatments. The first treatment is to soak the stockfish in cold
    water for five to six days (with the water changed daily). The
    saturated stockfish is then soaked in an unchanged solution of cold
    water and lye for an additional two days."

    Quoted message said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutefisk#Preparation

    Quoted message said:

    Mmmmm....

    OK, but also:

    "To make the fish edible, a final treatment of yet another four to six
    days of soaking in cold water (also changed daily) is needed."

    Not that it sounds appetizing, but...

    Have you guys ever tried the salted fish you see hanging on stores in
    Chinatown? They cost $16.99 per pound. For this price, I can eat
    fresh lobsters.

  15. rst0wxyz said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Jul 12, 7:40 am, rst0wxyz <[email hidden]> wrote:
    You see no difference between the 2 other than the hygiene? How about
    the caustic soda used as a cardboard softener? How about the false
    advertising? US food makers are honest about the product they are
    marketing.

    Well, Bill Moore, I have been saying it many times. China gotta
    change. China is huge. They just emerged from a 5,000 year sleep.
    With 1.3 billion people, it will take time. I think their leaders
    have good intentions, but their way of life for the past 5,000 years
    has been a hinder every step of the way. Dictatorship will be faster
    to improve the country. Democracy will destroy China as everyone will
    want to go their way.

    I'll agree that it will take time. Not sure about the right time frame
    for democracy, but it has to come eventually. Not so sure about the
    leaders' intentions. Some seem good but some seem to be a hindrance.

    Disagree that they need to shed their old way of life to the degree
    you seem to think.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb223/is_200701/ai_n18909233

    Quoted message said:

    The Dow Chemical Company has introduced Fortefiber soluble dietary
    fiber. Clinical data show Fortefiber offers proven benefits in the
    management of health issues related to blood glucose and cholesterol.
    Fortefiber is available in a variety of grades and can be custom-
    designed to address any specific texture needs or formulations--
    ranging from liquids to hard snacks.- Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

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    rst0wxyz said:

    On Jul 12, 9:18 am, [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Jul 12, 7:40 am, rst0wxyz <[email hidden]> wrote:
    You see no difference between the 2 other than the hygiene? How about
    the caustic soda used as a cardboard softener? How about the false
    advertising? US food makers are honest about the product they are
    marketing.

    Quoted message said:

    Well, Bill Moore, I have been saying it many times. China gotta
    change. China is huge. They just emerged from a 5,000 year sleep.
    With 1.3 billion people, it will take time. I think their leaders
    have good intentions, but their way of life for the past 5,000 years
    has been a hinder every step of the way. Dictatorship will be faster
    to improve the country. Democracy will destroy China as everyone will
    want to go their way.

    I'll agree that it will take time. Not sure about the right time frame
    for democracy, but it has to come eventually. Not so sure about the
    leaders' intentions. Some seem good but some seem to be a hindrance.

    Disagree that they need to shed their old way of life to the degree
    you seem to think.

    Yeah, too much Confucianism which ties China to its past. That gotta
    go. A few executions of corrupt officials will do wonders for China.

  17. "Bert Hyman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] () wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    How about the caustic soda used as a cardboard softener?

    "Lutefisk is made from air-dried whitefish (normally cod, but ling is
    also used), prepared with lye, in a sequence of particular
    treatments. The first treatment is to soak the stockfish in cold
    water for five to six days (with the water changed daily). The
    saturated stockfish is then soaked in an unchanged solution of cold
    water and lye for an additional two days."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutefisk#Preparation

    Mmmmm....

    --


    or hominy (grits):

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominy

  18. Bert Hyman said:

    [email hidden] (James) wrote innews:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Bert Hyman said:

    [email hidden] () wrote
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    Quoted message said:
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    > BEIJING (AP) - Chopped cardboard, softened with an industrial
    > chemical and made tasty with pork flavoring, is a main
    > ingredient in batches of steamed buns sold in one Beijing
    > neighborhood, state television said.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A high-fiber substitute for pork?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sounds like a healthy choice :-)

    Quoted message said:

    The 40% fatty pork makes it unhealthy.

    But still better than if it was 100% fatty pork, don't you think?

    --
    Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | [email hidden]

    Yup! Much healthier than American bacon.

    The cardboard is just another source of cellulose found in expensive
    American diet breads.

    You have to wonder why the reporter chose to define caustic soda - a
    chemical base commonly used in manufacturing paper and soap. Was he
    just trying to sell papers or was he truly an idiot who didn't know
    caustic soda is widely used in food processing including making the
    most widely used high fructose corn syrup. A sweetner used in almost
    every processed food eaten in the West.

    http://www.sundyne.com/ind/details/1,,CLI1_DIV92_ETI7634,00.html

    "Syrup Refining - Syrup refining is a process used to make high
    fructose corn syrup (HFCS), a popular food and beverage sweetener.
    Refining takes place via an ion-exchange system which removes chemical
    residues from the syrup. When the system has exhausted its treating
    capability, hydrochloric acid (HCl) and caustic soda are used in large
    quantities to regenerate the resins, in effect providing an "acid
    bath." Ansimag pumps are used to recirculate and transfer HCl and/or
    caustic soda in this process."

  19. Confucianism will stay.

    rst0wxyz said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Jul 12, 9:30 am, rst0wxyz <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Jul 12, 9:18 am, [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > On Jul 12, 7:40 am, rst0wxyz <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > You see no difference between the 2 other than the hygiene? How about
    > the caustic soda used as a cardboard softener? How about the false
    > advertising? US food makers are honest about the product they are
    > marketing.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Well, Bill Moore, I have been saying it many times. China gotta
    change. China is huge. They just emerged from a 5,000 year sleep.
    With 1.3 billion people, it will take time. I think their leaders
    have good intentions, but their way of life for the past 5,000 years
    has been a hinder every step of the way. Dictatorship will be faster
    to improve the country. Democracy will destroy China as everyone will
    want to go their way.

    Quoted message said:

    I'll agree that it will take time. Not sure about the right time frame
    for democracy, but it has to come eventually. Not so sure about the
    leaders' intentions. Some seem good but some seem to be a hindrance.

    Quoted message said:

    Disagree that they need to shed their old way of life to the degree
    you seem to think.

    Yeah, too much Confucianism which ties China to its past. That gotta
    go. A few executions of corrupt officials will do wonders for China.- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

  20. On Jul 12, 12:51 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Confucianism will stay.

    Confucianism was the casue of China's rotten past. It gotta go.

    Quoted message said:


    On Jul 12, 2:38 pm, rst0wxyz <[email hidden]> wrote:

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