Being Hungry is a Virtue.

"WM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Alec Baldwin said that the other night on a talk show. He's right.

If you are not hungry for at least part of each day, then you are
eating too much.

Well you're right in a sense. Without hunger we'd starve to death.

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:01:57 GMT, WM <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Alec Baldwin said that the other night on a talk show. He's right.

If you are not hungry for at least part of each day, then you are
eating too much.

I think I probably agree with this. (How's that for a definite
statement). I'm not sure I have actually been hungry often enough to
really recognize the feeling. When I have actually been hungry, I
think that something is wrong.

That's probably why I am overweight to start with.

New Guy

Oddly enough, since I went low carb, I don't recall being very hungry
very often at all, and I managed to lose 20 lbs eating like a friggin'
king.

And before that, when I ate high carb and low fat, I was hungry all the
time trying to lose weight by cutting fat and calories and all I did
was get fatter.

Hungry - got fatter, no hunger- lose 20 lbs. Go figure. I guess my
virtues are less obvious.

TC

WM said:

Alec Baldwin said that the other night on a talk show. He's right.

If you are not hungry for at least part of each day, then you are
eating too much.

I believe you, but there are two separate and mutually exclusive
issues at work for you.

1. Daily Hunger being a virtue which is worth striving for -
2. Low Carb Eating -

I have no doubt that if you had also dedicated part of your energy
to attaining hunger on a daily basis during the same period you low
carbed and lost the 20 pounds, you would have lost 30 pounds.

Quoted message said:

Oddly enough, since I went low carb, I don't recall being very hungry
very often at all, and I managed to lose 20 lbs eating like a friggin'
king.

And before that, when I ate high carb and low fat, I was hungry all the
time trying to lose weight by cutting fat and calories and all I did
was get fatter.

Hungry - got fatter, no hunger- lose 20 lbs. Go figure. I guess my
virtues are less obvious.

TC

WM said:

Alec Baldwin said that the other night on a talk show. He's right.

If you are not hungry for at least part of each day, then you are
eating too much.

"WM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I believe you, but there are two separate and mutually exclusive
issues at work for you.

1. Daily Hunger being a virtue which is worth striving for -
2. Low Carb Eating -

I have no doubt that if you had also dedicated part of your energy
to attaining hunger on a daily basis during the same period you low
carbed and lost the 20 pounds, you would have lost 30 pounds.

20 pounds of what?

Quoting Joe the Aroma:

Quoted message said:

"WM" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I believe you, but there are two separate and mutually exclusive
issues at work for you.

1. Daily Hunger being a virtue which is worth striving for -
2. Low Carb Eating -

I have no doubt that if you had also dedicated part of your energy
to attaining hunger on a daily basis during the same period you low
carbed and lost the 20 pounds, you would have lost 30 pounds.

20 pounds of what?

Good point (i totally agree that body comp is really important).
However, much of that can be influenced by lifting heavy a couple or
three times a week and paying particular attention to amount of
protein in a (calorie reduction) diet.

This may not be your own personal experience, but, believe it or not,
many people have to actually experience some serious hunger to lose
some major fat, low carb plan or not.

If the Shadow knows it, it must be true ;-)

You gotta be [censored] me. I missed the part of his "Inside the Actor's
Studio" where he talked about becoming a nutrionist, a doctor, or
anything other than an actor. I'd just as soon take Tom Cruise's ill
informed opinion on antidepressants as take diet advice from Alec
Baldwin.

I am not hungry hardly ever anymore. I have lost in excess of 40 lbs
while doing so. Does the enlightened Mr. Baldwin believe *I* am eating
too much?

Balderdash. As we all know, mileage varies. I suspect that if you have
inadequate protein and fat intake and don't feel hungry, you are
probably eating too much, but this is unqualified junk.

-Hollywood
264/222.5/218 LC Since 7/20/05
And rarely hungry since 7/24/05

WM said:

Alec Baldwin said that the other night on a talk show. He's right.

If you are not hungry for at least part of each day, then you are
eating too much.

"5. [email hidden]

Oddly enough, since I went low carb, I don't recall being very hungry
very often at all, and I managed to lose 20 lbs eating like a friggin'
king"

That's not odd at all, it's one of the main benefits of LC. I know
exactly what you mean. Before LC I would have a big meal and a few
hours later, I'd already be ready for a snack. Now, even as dinner
time approaches, I can easily eat at 6PM or wait until 9PM without
really being very hungry.

"Suze" <suze_andersonATspamcopDOTnet@> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoting Joe the Aroma:

Quoted message said:

"WM" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I believe you, but there are two separate and mutually exclusive
issues at work for you.

1. Daily Hunger being a virtue which is worth striving for -
2. Low Carb Eating -

I have no doubt that if you had also dedicated part of your energy
to attaining hunger on a daily basis during the same period you low
carbed and lost the 20 pounds, you would have lost 30 pounds.

20 pounds of what?

Good point (i totally agree that body comp is really important).
However, much of that can be influenced by lifting heavy a couple or
three times a week and paying particular attention to amount of
protein in a (calorie reduction) diet.

This may not be your own personal experience, but, believe it or not,
many people have to actually experience some serious hunger to lose
some major fat, low carb plan or not.

I realize that now. I was doing a very restricted self imposed diet before
low carb, so I can deal with hunger. I changed to a LC diet because I
believe it's healthy and safer than any alternatives. Some people may feel
the need to be hungry, especially women who don't want to put on any
muscle. People lose weight based on what works for them.

"Suze" <suze_andersonATspamcopDOTnet@> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoting Joe the Aroma:

Quoted message said:

"WM" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I believe you, but there are two separate and mutually exclusive
issues at work for you.

1. Daily Hunger being a virtue which is worth striving for -
2. Low Carb Eating -

I have no doubt that if you had also dedicated part of your energy
to attaining hunger on a daily basis during the same period you low
carbed and lost the 20 pounds, you would have lost 30 pounds.

20 pounds of what?

Good point (i totally agree that body comp is really important).
However, much of that can be influenced by lifting heavy a couple or
three times a week and paying particular attention to amount of
protein in a (calorie reduction) diet.

This may not be your own personal experience, but, believe it or not,
many people have to actually experience some serious hunger to lose
some major fat, low carb plan or not.

Incidentally, I don't believe that you can put on muscle while you are
hungry, period. And from what I've seen, you can't. Even low carbing seems
to minimize muscle growth for me.

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Quoted message said:

If the Shadow knows it, it must be true ;-)

You gotta be [censored] me. I missed the part of his "Inside the Actor's
Studio" where he talked about becoming a nutrionist, a doctor, or
anything other than an actor. I'd just as soon take Tom Cruise's ill
informed opinion on antidepressants as take diet advice from Alec
Baldwin.

I am not hungry hardly ever anymore. I have lost in excess of 40 lbs
while doing so. Does the enlightened Mr. Baldwin believe *I* am eating
too much?

Balderdash. As we all know, mileage varies. I suspect that if you have
inadequate protein and fat intake and don't feel hungry, you are
probably eating too much, but this is unqualified junk.

-Hollywood
264/222.5/218 LC Since 7/20/05
And rarely hungry since 7/24/05

WM said:

Alec Baldwin said that the other night on a talk show. He's right.

If you are not hungry for at least part of each day, then you are
eating too much.

Why would you take his advice for dieting, anyway?

WM said:

Alec Baldwin said that the other night on a talk show. He's right.

Maybe as a political activism stance he's right. Think globally
act locally and such. From a dietary viewpoint it just shows he
has no clue how low carbing works for most people until they
get close to goal.

Quoted message said:

If you are not hungry for at least part of each day, then you are
eating too much.

Or you're low carbing and still have 10-20+ to lose. On low
carbing needing to be hungry to lose is the rare exception not
the rule.

On 20/12/05 6:01 AM, in article [email hidden],

WM said:

Alec Baldwin said that the other night on a talk show. He's right.

If you are not hungry for at least part of each day, then you are
eating too much.

So? All this tells anyone is that neither you nor Alec Baldwin has the
vaguest idea of what constitutes a virtue. A virtue has to do with moral
excellence.

Will you take as much notice if Homer Simpson recommends a dietary
technique? After all, Alec Baldwin is just one person, Homer Simpson is the
result of the combined efforts of a whole team of people.

SS

On 21/12/05 12:44 AM, in article
[email hidden], "Joe the Aroma"

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"Suze" <suze_andersonATspamcopDOTnet@> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoting Joe the Aroma:

Quoted message said:

"WM" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

> I believe you, but there are two separate and mutually exclusive
> issues at work for you.
>
> 1. Daily Hunger being a virtue which is worth striving for -
> 2. Low Carb Eating -
>
> I have no doubt that if you had also dedicated part of your energy
> to attaining hunger on a daily basis during the same period you low
> carbed and lost the 20 pounds, you would have lost 30 pounds.

20 pounds of what?

Good point (i totally agree that body comp is really important).
However, much of that can be influenced by lifting heavy a couple or
three times a week and paying particular attention to amount of
protein in a (calorie reduction) diet.

This may not be your own personal experience, but, believe it or not,
many people have to actually experience some serious hunger to lose
some major fat, low carb plan or not.

Incidentally, I don't believe that you can put on muscle while you are
hungry, period. And from what I've seen, you can't. Even low carbing seems
to minimize muscle growth for me.

Almost every body builder I know eats low carb. They don't exactly lack
muscles or definition.

SS

Dave Draper does the low carb thing.

HTH

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

"Joe the Aroma" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Suze" <suze_andersonATspamcopDOTnet@> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoting Joe the Aroma:

Quoted message said:

"WM" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

> I believe you, but there are two separate and mutually exclusive
> issues at work for you.
>
> 1. Daily Hunger being a virtue which is worth striving for -
> 2. Low Carb Eating -
>
> I have no doubt that if you had also dedicated part of your energy
> to attaining hunger on a daily basis during the same period you low
> carbed and lost the 20 pounds, you would have lost 30 pounds.

20 pounds of what?

Good point (i totally agree that body comp is really important).
However, much of that can be influenced by lifting heavy a couple or
three times a week and paying particular attention to amount of
protein in a (calorie reduction) diet.

This may not be your own personal experience, but, believe it or not,
many people have to actually experience some serious hunger to lose
some major fat, low carb plan or not.

Incidentally, I don't believe that you can put on muscle while you are
hungry, period. And from what I've seen, you can't. Even low carbing seems
to minimize muscle growth for me.

I wouldn't and neither should you.

Hunger is a virtue is some weird religious idea out of the suffering is
good worldview. I don't buy that and I don't buy that hunger is a
virtue.

Joe the Aroma said:

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Quoted message said:

If the Shadow knows it, it must be true ;-)

You gotta be [censored] me. I missed the part of his "Inside the Actor's
Studio" where he talked about becoming a nutrionist, a doctor, or
anything other than an actor. I'd just as soon take Tom Cruise's ill
informed opinion on antidepressants as take diet advice from Alec
Baldwin.

I am not hungry hardly ever anymore. I have lost in excess of 40 lbs
while doing so. Does the enlightened Mr. Baldwin believe *I* am eating
too much?

Balderdash. As we all know, mileage varies. I suspect that if you have
inadequate protein and fat intake and don't feel hungry, you are
probably eating too much, but this is unqualified junk.

-Hollywood
264/222.5/218 LC Since 7/20/05
And rarely hungry since 7/24/05

WM said:

Alec Baldwin said that the other night on a talk show. He's right.

If you are not hungry for at least part of each day, then you are
eating too much.

Why would you take his advice for dieting, anyway?

I think that AB knows what he's talking about when he's saying hunger
is a virtue. Being hungry involves the moral choice, not eating, rather
than the indulgent choice of eating a box of ice cream in response.

I don't agree with this being a virtue unless you are actually sending
the meals you don't eat to the proverbial starving children in China.
But then it's charity, which is clearly a virtue as it's endorsed by
pretty much every religion, even the neoconservatives.

-Hollywood, not hungry for many moons, and still losing weight.
264/222/218.5 Since 7/20/05
PS- how cool would it be to make my first goal by New Years. I dunno
that I'm gonna make it, but it's only 3.5 lbs.

Secret Squirrel said:

On 20/12/05 6:01 AM, in article [email hidden],

WM said:

Alec Baldwin said that the other night on a talk show. He's right.

If you are not hungry for at least part of each day, then you are
eating too much.

So? All this tells anyone is that neither you nor Alec Baldwin has the
vaguest idea of what constitutes a virtue. A virtue has to do with moral
excellence.

Will you take as much notice if Homer Simpson recommends a dietary
technique? After all, Alec Baldwin is just one person, Homer Simpson is the
result of the combined efforts of a whole team of people.

SS

WM wrote:
|| Alec Baldwin said that the other night on a talk show. He's right.
||
|| If you are not hungry for at least part of each day, then you are
|| eating too much.

**Picturing this saying originating with 12th century monks flogging
themselves as punishment just in case they may have experienced any small
amount of pleasure that day**

It's ridiculous. I'm never been hungry on my low carb way of eating, even
when I was limiting my daily calorie intake to 1400. It's a mental illness
to think that anything good or beneficial must be accompanied by deprecation
or pain.
--

--
Peter
Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

Becoming slightly hungry once in a while is natural.

Have you ever wondered why you're still so flabby?

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

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Quoted message said:

WM wrote:
|| Alec Baldwin said that the other night on a talk show. He's right.
||
|| If you are not hungry for at least part of each day, then you are
|| eating too much.

**Picturing this saying originating with 12th century monks flogging
themselves as punishment just in case they may have experienced any small
amount of pleasure that day**

It's ridiculous. I'm never been hungry on my low carb way of eating,
even when I was limiting my daily calorie intake to 1400. It's a mental
illness to think that anything good or beneficial must be accompanied by
deprecation or pain.
--

--
Peter
Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo