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  1. I'm currently riding a mountainbike on slick and thinking to get a roadbike once and for all. I've done my research and short list to 2 bikes

    1. 2004 Giant TCR2 complete bike (yellow color, thinner fork, Alloy) but upgrade to Ultegra triple group, xero XR1 wheelset etc or

    2.2003 Giant Team TCR frame (custom built ONCE, hugh flat aero fork, black color, alloy) with ultegra triple group, Xero XR1 wheelset etc

    They both cost the same, the thing I'm not sure is if the Team frame would be better than the built up bikes has to offer. Are there any different between the 2 in terms of performance or only graphic/color?

    Any input would be appreciated cos this is the first time I'm getting a roadbike and I wouldn't want to be stuck with something I couln't sell later. Most of my riding currently on my mountainbike is hilly terrain ride would last around 4 hrs over 90Km but plan to do further once I get my roadbike, I've posted these on 2 other forum but I still can't get a satisfactory answer.

    Please give your opinion on which would you guys go for, Thank you

    Pic http://www.shutterspeed.com.my/2giants.jpg

  2. If I'm not mistaken, the TCR comes in an aluminum frame and a composite. The team frame is composite (carbon).

    Are you comparing between the team composite and an aluminum TCR or a composite TCR?

  3. As I've stated they're both alloy you can view both of them at http://www.shutterspeed.com.my/2giants.jpg

  4. That looks like a picture of a team composite frame and an aluminum TCR frame. The new 2004 TCR 2 doesn't look like that yellow bike. It's carbon color with yellow decals.

  5. Ride before you buy

  6. They're both alloy frame, I saw them both and thats why I was considering them, I can't tell a lot of different when I tested them for 5 mins around the block.

    BTW I've never ridden on a road bike, all these while on my mountainbike convert to roadbike thats why need you guys expert opinion.

  7. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by skareb
    They're both alloy frame, I saw them both and thats why I was considering them, I can't tell a lot of different when I tested them for 5 mins around the block.

    If you can't tell a difference, then it's a no brainer that I would go with the team frame.
    However, sometimes it's difficult to be ablt to tell after a 5minutes ride. But there shouldn't be much or any difference between the two.
    Seriously, I'd go with the team frame anyway just to say I have a team frame. There shouldn't be that much a difference from 2003 to 2004 model. Since these are monocoque frames, if they make changes they would have to make new molds. And it's expensive to make new molds. It's entirely possible that they may use the same molds and lay the fiber diffrently though.

  8. I also wanted to add that I like the 2004 TCR 2. I test rode one but decided that the fit wasn't for me. I wanted a bike to do TT/road.

  9. The difference between Giants preassembles bikes and their "team" frames are color and name and the fact that you can buy them unassembled. Same materials, same frames.

  10. I've wrote to Giant and all they can tell me is

    2003 Team frame and 2004 TCR 2 complete bike frames are different. Geometry is different. 2003 top rear stay is straight whereby 2004 TCR 2 bike top rear stay has a slight bend.

    TCR 2 bike has a thinner fork.

    Doesn't really help much here ... I need to know in terms of value for money since they both cost the same I would go for something better in terms of performance

  11. Go for the 2004 model, the narrower fork is lighter, UCI compliant, and I think it hasa carbon steerer, the 2003 fork probably has an ALU steerer.

    Besides, the 2004 team bike for GIANT will be Telekom, not ONCE.

  12. I think you have some incorrect information on your frames. The TCR Team frame you have a picture of looks like a composite frame, not an aluminum. Plus, Giant did not make an aluminum team frame in 2003. Starting in 2003 Giant made two TCR model frames. The TCR Composite and the TCR Alloy, which for Gaint means aluminum, not steel. The frames have identical geometry but are made of very different material. So, simply calling the frame a "TCR" without distinguishing between its alloy and composite version is incomplete starting with the 2003 models. Their Team frame designation for both 2003 and 2004 is a composite frame. Go to their website and you can see all of their models from 1999 through their current models.

    Since you saw them both frames and know they are both aluminum, I think you are looking at a 2002 Team frame, not a 2003, and I don't think you have the correct picture of it. I think your designation of the TCR 2 as a 2004 bike is also inaccurate. According to the website, they made a TCR 1 and TCR 2 alloy bike in 2003, the difference being Ultrega v 105 groups, but only a "TCR" alloy bike in 2004, which has the Ultegra group. So, I think you are looking at a 2003 TCR 2 Alloy, not a 2004.

    Consequently, I think you asked Giant the wrong question when you asked the difference between the frames since you asked them for the wrong years. You can see the difference, if any, by going to their website.

    That said, it is little wonder you were unable to tell a difference between the two bikes. Both are aluminum and they have very similiar if not identical geometry. I do give you one word of caution. You mentioned an "upgrade" to the Ultegra triple group.[another reason why I think your are talking about a 2003 TCR 2 alloy since the 2004 TCR Alloy comes with Ultegra] You will note that Giant does not offer a triple as an option for any of their TCR frames. I, too, wanted a triple, was concerned that Giant didn't offer it as an option, wondered if it was possible to set it up as a triple, and asked dealers about swaping out for a triple. I received conflicting advice. One said no experience but didn't know why not; one said no problem; and one said he has tried it, the results were unsatisfactory, he wouldn't put out another one, and that Giant reccomends against it. He said the problem was that the chain stays were too short for the shifting to work properly. Given this conflicting advice, I wrote Giant and asked them. The following is the pertinent portion of their response:

    "The honest answer is that you cannot install a triple chainring on the bike because the rear center distance is too short (400mm, needs to be a minimum of 407mm). If you did shifting performance would be constrained. For the future we will address this issue."

    So, the answer is some people do it, you may be able to get away with it, but you may also be very unhappy with it. Giant made a suggestion I had already thought of which was to put a FSA Carbon Compact Pro crank on, a 50-34 double as opposed the standard 52-39. If you combine that with a 12-27 rear cassette you get almost the same gear range as the standard 52-40-30 tripple with a 12-25 cassette.

    By the way, what else have you tried in a road bike?

  13. The TCR2 is confirm 2004, look at Giant website Taiwan thats where I got the pic which are the same as the one I saw and the team frame are 2003 which I took from Giant UK. But since now ya tellin me I can't go triple that worries me as well cos I don't go racing, but planning too in the future (not going to win but just for the fun of it), most of my rides are hills and I need those gears.

    I've also look at custom built Specialize Allez with 105 group triple which are USD420 cheaper and Specialist Sequoia with 105 group triple USD300 cheaper.

    But I've ask a lot of others opinion and they all came back with the same, Giant frames are more superior in climbs.

    Currently I'm riding a giant XTC frame (mountainbike) rigid fork slick tires 1.25, my avg speed for flats are 25 kph distance 80/100km, hills avg 18kph distance 70/90km. I was hoping to get a real roadbike so I can cover more distance efficiently. Is this true btw?

  14. I'd go with the team frame simply for aesthetics.. I think black looks cooler (as does the little ONCE stick figure 🙂 ), and it'll be easier to draw in potential buyers if you decide to sell it later on. I also have a personal dislike of having year-specific model numbers on a frame. But I guess all of this is academic if you want a triple.. if Giant says not to do it, I wouldn't.

    We've discussed the FSA compact crank here a few times before -- a forum search should bring up a couple of topics which should be interesting reading for you.

    And yes, you'll have better efficiency on a road bike (lighter, more aerodynamic position, etc.) You'll also likely find it more comfortable for longer rides, because of less weight being borne by your backside, and the multiple hand positions on drop handlebars.

  15. perhaps i can clear this up since i've got one of those black frames sitting in my living room right now

    the black frame is identical to all the 2003 TCR Aluminium frames apart from a different paint job, the fork is carbon blades with aluminium steerer.

    My flatmate got this as her SECOND replacement frame after the last two started to creak and then the first one cracked, Neither frame was more than a year old when they were replaced. Her brother has also had a TCR aluminium frame replaced in the last year.

    Therefore i'd hesitate before buying any aluminium frame from Giant (unless you want a new frame every 6 months)

    also depending on where you live giant sells diffierent bikes, In Australia they are only selling one Alloy TCR this year and its red but in different countries they may be selling more than one TCR Alloy. for example Australia has never had the carbon/aluminium TCR elite which the US got in 2003.

  16. Thanks for all the information guys I've finally bought the TCR2

    From what I know the main differences from the 03 frame are the reinforce chainstay, curve seat stay and reinforce down tube for stiffer and better power transfer, I still fitted triple chain ring even tho I was advised against it, only problem with the shifting are when I try to shift from end to end meaning 52T and 23T or 30T and 11T I need to fine tune the STI half clicking it.

    The new aero fork are also thinner and marginally lighter hence better shock absorbtion and less side wind force.

    The frame and fork (inc cage bolt and head set) are 4lbs same as the 03 Team frame.

    Full spec and more picture at http://www.shutterspeed.com.my/TCR2.htm

  17. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by skareb
    Thanks for all the information guys I've finally bought the TCR2


    Congrats on the new bike! Nice choice of pedals and saddle too, by the way 🙂

    Quoted post said:

    only problem with the shifting are when I try to shift from end to end meaning 52T and 23T or 30T and 11T I need to fine tune the STI half clicking it.


    Yeah, they'll do that .. happens a lot on doubles too (unless you are really patient when you set up the derailleur limits/cable tension etc.)

  18. Interesting that Giant makes different models for different countries. The information I gave you was correct for the United States but, obviously, incorrect for you. Sorry if I added confusion to the mix.

    Your bike looks great! As I said, the advice on the triple was confliciting and Giant's recommendation against it may be simply to cover their ass because the shifting may end up being touchy. I agree that when you shift to the extremes--eg 52 to 23--that there are almost always problems even with doubles. In fact, virtually everybody I have ever talked to says don't do it. Not because of shifting problems so much but because it stretches everything so that you are asking for even more problems in the future as things get out of adjustment quciker and wear quicker. Consequently, rather than "fix" the problem you should simply avoid it. After all, you still have 22 gears without the two extremes you are talking about. Should be enough for anyone and the two gears you are missing can pretty much be duplicated with other combinations.

    I would very much appreciate it if you would keep us, or me, up to date on any problems with the shifting.

    Enjoy!

  19. My first hand experience with the TCR2, I rode for 2 hours covering 50km over mostly flat roads, the intention was for fine tuning the riding position. The first thing I notice was how nippy and responsive the bike feel compared to my mountainbike.

    Suprisingly its more comfortable! road vibration was to the minimal perhaps thanks to the carbon fork and carbon seat post. Normal cruising speed was at 30Kph, I could easily sprint to 40kph. The close gear ratio 11 - 23 was really like what everyone recommended very good at maintaining your cadence while compromising for road gradience. I haven't had any issue with the triple Ultegra yet but I'll make a trip to the hills and see how things turns up

  20. My first hand experience with the TCR2, I rode for 2 hours covering 50km over mostly flat roads, the intention was for fine tuning the riding position. The first thing I notice was how nippy and responsive the bike feel compared to my mountainbike.

    Suprisingly its more comfortable! road vibration was to the minimal perhaps thanks to the carbon fork and carbon seat post. Normal cruising speed was at 30Kph, I could easily sprint to 40kph. The close gear ratio 11 - 23 was really like what everyone recommended very good at maintaining your cadence while compromising for road gradience. I haven't had any issue with the triple Ultegra yet but I'll make a trip to the hills and see how things turns up

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