Beware Restaurants with Peanuts

jmcquown said:

No, I'm not talking about peanut allergies. It got icy when we were out of
town so rather than drive to a not chain restaurant we went to Colton's
Steak House just down the road from our hotel. This is one of those places
where they serve up a bucket of hot roasted peanuts (yum!) and everyone
(other than me, that is) tosses the shells on the floor. This is a
dangerous practice, folks.

We were being shown to our table when I slipped on an errant peanut shell
and went down on the nicely polished wooden floor, *hard*. I strained a
muscle in my thigh attempting to not fall. (Yes, I was very embarrassed; no
I wasn't even wearing high heels.) Let us just say it didn't feel good. Of
course everyone was over there asking and exclaiming, "Are you okay?" Well,
no, I wasn't okay. Please send the manager to my table.

I asked the manager to take an incident report just in case this relates to
some sort of problem which requires medical treatment later. (Liability
insurance.) I really only limped around for a day so. Apparently I'm okay
but you never know. I ordered the grilled Mahi Mahi with vegetables. John
got the French dip sandwich. We made sure as we left I didn't slip on
another peanut shell.

Jill

Ouch! Those kind of falls can cause serious long-term damage. You
probaly should get checked out just to be sure, and don't settle any
claim on it.

Hope you are feeling better now, though!

-L.

-L. said:

jmcquown said:

We were being shown to our table when I slipped on an errant peanut
shell and went down on the nicely polished wooden floor, *hard*. I
strained a muscle in my thigh attempting to not fall. (Yes, I was
very embarrassed; no I wasn't even wearing high heels.) Let us just
say it didn't feel good. Of course everyone was over there asking
and exclaiming, "Are you okay?" Well, no, I wasn't okay. Please
send the manager to my table.

I asked the manager to take an incident report just in case this
relates to some sort of problem which requires medical treatment
later. (Liability insurance.) I really only limped around for a
day so. Apparently I'm okay but you never know. I ordered the
grilled Mahi Mahi with vegetables. John got the French dip
sandwich. We made sure as we left I didn't slip on another peanut
shell.

Jill

Ouch! Those kind of falls can cause serious long-term damage. You
probaly should get checked out just to be sure, and don't settle any
claim on it.

Hope you are feeling better now, though!

-L.

Thanks... this is why I asked to speak to the manager. I'm not about to
absorb the costs of something that happened because they think it's 'cute'
for people to throw peanut shells on the floor. That's really a stupid
idea. Chances are I won't have a problem but just in case, I filed the
indicent report. The Mahi Mahi was very good, though 🙂

Jill

jmcquown wrote:

I'm not about to

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absorb the costs of something that happened because they think it's 'cute'
for people to throw peanut shells on the floor. That's really a stupid
idea. Chances are I won't have a problem but just in case, I filed the
indicent report. The Mahi Mahi was very good, though 🙂

Mightn't health codes say something about discarding peanut shells on the
floor?

--
Best
Greg

jmcquown said:

We were being shown to our table when I slipped on an errant peanut shell
and went down on the nicely polished wooden floor, *hard*. I strained a
muscle in my thigh attempting to not fall. (Yes, I was very embarrassed; no
I wasn't even wearing high heels.) Let us just say it didn't feel good.

Ouch! I'm sorry to hear that. If you fall just right it really does
friend's graduation and it took weeks for my butt to heal.

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I asked the manager to take an incident report just in case this relates to
some sort of problem which requires medical treatment later. (Liability
insurance.)

Excellent idea. I'm glad you're okay, and talking to the manager was
the exact right thing to do.

Stacia

(Glitter Ninja) said:

Ouch! I'm sorry to hear that. If you fall just right it really does
friend's graduation and it took weeks for my butt to heal.

Looks like I forgot to actually finish my sentence... If anyone cared,
I meant to say: "it really does hurt like hell. I fell at a
friend's..."

Stacia
needs a nap

"jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote

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idea. Chances are I won't have a problem but just in case, I filed the
indicent report.

Well, no wonder you got hurt if you were walking around
being indicent in public! Geez. Gotta watch where you're
going!

nancy

"Gregory Morrow"
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Mightn't health codes say something about discarding peanut shells on the
floor?

--
Best
Greg

Maybe not health codes, but FIRE codes is what made local eateries here in
Albany stop the shells-on-the floor practice. It seems the things are
flammable, and back when smoking was allowed in bars/restaurants, folks
would not only toss their peanut shells on the floor, but also stomp out
their cigarette butts on them. Smolder --> [censored]!
IIRRC, Lone Star Steakhouse chain also used to serve buckets 'o' peanuts &
allow shells on the floor.

Van

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jmcquown said:

No, I'm not talking about peanut allergies. It got icy when we were out
of
town so rather than drive to a not chain restaurant we went to Colton's
Steak House just down the road from our hotel. This is one of those
places
where they serve up a bucket of hot roasted peanuts (yum!) and everyone
(other than me, that is) tosses the shells on the floor. This is a
dangerous practice, folks.

We were being shown to our table when I slipped on an errant peanut shell
and went down on the nicely polished wooden floor, *hard*. I strained a
muscle in my thigh attempting to not fall. (Yes, I was very embarrassed;
no
I wasn't even wearing high heels.) Let us just say it didn't feel good.
Of
course everyone was over there asking and exclaiming, "Are you okay?"
Well,
no, I wasn't okay. Please send the manager to my table.

I asked the manager to take an incident report just in case this relates
to
some sort of problem which requires medical treatment later. (Liability
insurance.) I really only limped around for a day so. Apparently I'm
okay
but you never know. I ordered the grilled Mahi Mahi with vegetables.
John
got the French dip sandwich. We made sure as we left I didn't slip on
another peanut shell.

Jill

Ouch! Those kind of falls can cause serious long-term damage. You
probaly should get checked out just to be sure, and don't settle any
claim on it.

Hope you are feeling better now, though!

-L.

I am sorry for the fall, but if someone goes to a restaurant knowing there
are peanut shells on the floor, guess who is to blame - certainly not the
restaurant.

--
Peter Aitken

In article <[email hidden]>,
"Gregory Morrow"

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jmcquown wrote:

I'm not about to

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absorb the costs of something that happened because they think it's 'cute'
for people to throw peanut shells on the floor. That's really a stupid
idea. Chances are I won't have a problem but just in case, I filed the
indicent report. The Mahi Mahi was very good, though 🙂

Mightn't health codes say something about discarding peanut shells on the
floor?

Apparently not, its more of a safety issue than a health issue. If
anything, OSHA may frown upon that type of thing. The steak chain Lone
Star restaurants used to have barrels of peanuts and people at the bar
would munch on them while waiting for their food to be served. People
would throw the shells on the floor. They stopped serving peanuts a
while ago and I heard it was for just this reason, that people were
slipping on them and getting hurt. I imagine their liability insurance
went up too.

I suspect the restaurant where Jill fell will abandon its practice of
offering guests peanuts as soon as the restaurant's insurance company
get wind of their increased liability exposure.

Peter Aitken said:

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jmcquown said:

No, I'm not talking about peanut allergies. It got icy when we
were out of
town so rather than drive to a not chain restaurant we went to
Colton's Steak House just down the road from our hotel. This is
one of those places
where they serve up a bucket of hot roasted peanuts (yum!) and
everyone (other than me, that is) tosses the shells on the floor.
This is a dangerous practice, folks.

We were being shown to our table when I slipped on an errant peanut
shell and went down on the nicely polished wooden floor, *hard*. I
strained a muscle in my thigh attempting to not fall. (Yes, I was
very embarrassed; no
I wasn't even wearing high heels.) Let us just say it didn't feel
good. Of
course everyone was over there asking and exclaiming, "Are you
okay?" Well,
no, I wasn't okay. Please send the manager to my table.

I asked the manager to take an incident report just in case this
relates to
some sort of problem which requires medical treatment later.
(Liability insurance.) I really only limped around for a day so.
Apparently I'm okay
but you never know. I ordered the grilled Mahi Mahi with
vegetables. John
got the French dip sandwich. We made sure as we left I didn't slip
on another peanut shell.

Jill

Ouch! Those kind of falls can cause serious long-term damage. You
probaly should get checked out just to be sure, and don't settle any
claim on it.

Hope you are feeling better now, though!

-L.

I am sorry for the fall, but if someone goes to a restaurant knowing
there are peanut shells on the floor, guess who is to blame -
certainly not the restaurant.

I had no idea there were peanut shells on the floor until we walked in.
After that it was sort of a "oh, okay" thing and we walked in.

Jill

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jmcquown wrote:
> No, I'm not talking about peanut allergies. It got icy when we
> were out of
> town so rather than drive to a not chain restaurant we went to
> Colton's Steak House just down the road from our hotel. This is
> one of those places
> where they serve up a bucket of hot roasted peanuts (yum!) and
> everyone (other than me, that is) tosses the shells on the floor.
> This is a dangerous practice, folks.
>
> We were being shown to our table when I slipped on an errant peanut
> shell and went down on the nicely polished wooden floor, *hard*. I
> strained a muscle in my thigh attempting to not fall. (Yes, I was
> very embarrassed; no
> I wasn't even wearing high heels.) Let us just say it didn't feel
> good. Of
> course everyone was over there asking and exclaiming, "Are you
> okay?" Well,
> no, I wasn't okay. Please send the manager to my table.
>
> I asked the manager to take an incident report just in case this
> relates to
> some sort of problem which requires medical treatment later.
> (Liability insurance.) I really only limped around for a day so.
> Apparently I'm okay
> but you never know. I ordered the grilled Mahi Mahi with
> vegetables. John
> got the French dip sandwich. We made sure as we left I didn't slip
> on another peanut shell.
>
> Jill

Ouch! Those kind of falls can cause serious long-term damage. You
probaly should get checked out just to be sure, and don't settle any
claim on it.

Hope you are feeling better now, though!

-L.

I am sorry for the fall, but if someone goes to a restaurant knowing
there are peanut shells on the floor, guess who is to blame -
certainly not the restaurant.

I had no idea there were peanut shells on the floor until we walked in.
After that it was sort of a "oh, okay" thing and we walked in.

Jill

My point still stands, I believe. You knew there were shells before you
slipped. It was incumbent on you to either take more care or to leave. It
would be different if you slipped on, say, some ice dropped by a waiter.

I know you have not mentioned suing anyone, but in a more general sense
suing in a situation like this would be a true example of the frivolous
lawsuits that everyone claims to be against.

--
Peter Aitken

In article <[email hidden]>,

jmcquown said:

-L. said:

jmcquown said:

We were being shown to our table when I slipped on an errant peanut
shell and went down on the nicely polished wooden floor, *hard*. I
strained a muscle in my thigh attempting to not fall. (Yes, I was
very embarrassed; no I wasn't even wearing high heels.) Let us just
say it didn't feel good. Of course everyone was over there asking
and exclaiming, "Are you okay?" Well, no, I wasn't okay. Please
send the manager to my table.

I asked the manager to take an incident report just in case this
relates to some sort of problem which requires medical treatment
later. (Liability insurance.) I really only limped around for a
day so. Apparently I'm okay but you never know. I ordered the
grilled Mahi Mahi with vegetables. John got the French dip
sandwich. We made sure as we left I didn't slip on another peanut
shell.

Jill

Ouch! Those kind of falls can cause serious long-term damage. You
probaly should get checked out just to be sure, and don't settle any
claim on it.

Hope you are feeling better now, though!

-L.

Thanks... this is why I asked to speak to the manager. I'm not about to
absorb the costs of something that happened because they think it's 'cute'
for people to throw peanut shells on the floor. That's really a stupid
idea. Chances are I won't have a problem but just in case, I filed the
indicent report. The Mahi Mahi was very good, though 🙂

Jill

If they are going to practice that, the floor also needs to be covered
with wood shavings... That should help.

My cockatoo throws walnut shells on the floor of her aviary. They crunch
when I step on them, but they don't go rolling. <G> The floor is 1" to
2" deep in pine shavings.
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Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Peter Aitken said:

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Peter Aitken said:

"-L." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> jmcquown wrote:
>> No, I'm not talking about peanut allergies. It got icy when we
>> were out of
>> town so rather than drive to a not chain restaurant we went to
>> Colton's Steak House just down the road from our hotel. This is
>> one of those places
>> where they serve up a bucket of hot roasted peanuts (yum!) and
>> everyone (other than me, that is) tosses the shells on the floor.
>> This is a dangerous practice, folks.
>>
>> We were being shown to our table when I slipped on an errant peanut
>> shell and went down on the nicely polished wooden floor, *hard*. I
>> strained a muscle in my thigh attempting to not fall. (Yes, I was
>> very embarrassed; no
>> I wasn't even wearing high heels.) Let us just say it didn't feel
>> good. Of
>> course everyone was over there asking and exclaiming, "Are you
>> okay?" Well,
>> no, I wasn't okay. Please send the manager to my table.
>>
>> I asked the manager to take an incident report just in case this
>> relates to
>> some sort of problem which requires medical treatment later.
>> (Liability insurance.) I really only limped around for a day so.
>> Apparently I'm okay
>> but you never know. I ordered the grilled Mahi Mahi with
>> vegetables. John
>> got the French dip sandwich. We made sure as we left I didn't slip
>> on another peanut shell.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Ouch! Those kind of falls can cause serious long-term damage. You
> probaly should get checked out just to be sure, and don't settle any
> claim on it.
>
> Hope you are feeling better now, though!
>
> -L.
>

I am sorry for the fall, but if someone goes to a restaurant knowing
there are peanut shells on the floor, guess who is to blame -
certainly not the restaurant.

Who figures that anyplace would be so uncivilized unless you've been
there before?

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I had no idea there were peanut shells on the floor until we walked in.
After that it was sort of a "oh, okay" thing and we walked in.

Jill

My point still stands, I believe. You knew there were shells before you
slipped. It was incumbent on you to either take more care or to leave. It
would be different if you slipped on, say, some ice dropped by a waiter.

The bigger danger they pose is to people with severe peanut allergies.
Theoretically, one could walk out with a significant amount of peanut
residue on one's shoes, and track that residue onto a carpet that a
small child might come into contact with.

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I know you have not mentioned suing anyone, but in a more general sense
suing in a situation like this would be a true example of the frivolous
lawsuits that everyone claims to be against.

I disagree. Someone should at least find out who their insurer is and
notify them of the potential liabilty. That way the insurer will force
the change.
Businesses seldom "do the right thing" if doing so results in any loss
of profit. I have taught my son that most corporations would kill you
and bury you in a shallow grave if that strategy offered the greatest
benefit to their shareholders. Lawsuits, and the threat of lawsuits,
are one of the only mitigators of pure greed in Capitalist economies.

Quoted message said:

From cigarettes to cox-2 drugs to trans-fats in food, greed rules.

--
Peter Aitken

--Bryan

In article <[email hidden]>,

Stan Horwitz said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"Gregory Morrow"

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jmcquown wrote:

I'm not about to

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absorb the costs of something that happened because they think it's 'cute'
for people to throw peanut shells on the floor. That's really a stupid
idea. Chances are I won't have a problem but just in case, I filed the
indicent report. The Mahi Mahi was very good, though 🙂

Mightn't health codes say something about discarding peanut shells on the
floor?

Apparently not, its more of a safety issue than a health issue. If
anything, OSHA may frown upon that type of thing. The steak chain Lone
Star restaurants used to have barrels of peanuts and people at the bar
would munch on them while waiting for their food to be served. People
would throw the shells on the floor. They stopped serving peanuts a
while ago and I heard it was for just this reason, that people were
slipping on them and getting hurt. I imagine their liability insurance
went up too.

I suspect the restaurant where Jill fell will abandon its practice of
offering guests peanuts as soon as the restaurant's insurance company
get wind of their increased liability exposure.

IMHO it's sloppy...
They should offer small trash cans around the place instead.

Kinda like Joe's crab shack with buckets at the tables for crab shells.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

I haven't eaten at a throw-shells-on-the-floor restuarant since I was a
kid and we used to go to the Ground Round. Sorry to hear about your
fall, but thanks for bringing back some fun memories from childhood - I
loved that place! (aside from the peanuts, which of course us kids
LOVED to throw on the floor as mom would never have stood for that at
home; they also served baskets of fresh hot popcorn as you sat down and
screened old black and white movies without the sounds - not silent
flicks, but as i recall mostly Little Rascals.)

Actually, it seems like a bad business move for a restaurant to give
you comped baskets of peanuts and popcorn as you arrive - fill up on
the freebies, no need for the extra appetizers or desserts!

"Jude" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I haven't eaten at a throw-shells-on-the-floor restuarant since I was a
kid and we used to go to the Ground Round.

Oh, thank you thank you thank you. I wracked my brain
trying to think of the name of that place. something about burgers,
no, sirloin something? Steak something. Thank you, Ground Round.

Yes, I remember the peanut shells on the floor there, I couldn't
get used to it.

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home; they also served baskets of fresh hot popcorn as you sat down and
screened old black and white movies without the sounds - not silent
flicks, but as i recall mostly Little Rascals.)

It was a fun place to eat.

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Actually, it seems like a bad business move for a restaurant to give
you comped baskets of peanuts and popcorn as you arrive - fill up on
the freebies, no need for the extra appetizers or desserts!

You'd think, but it was more of a kids place, as I recall, I don't
know that they got much call for appetizers, though that's the first
restaurant I recall that offered potato skins, I was embarrassed to
order them. It was a secret shame from childhood, we'd 'butter'
the skins of baked potatoes and eat them.

nancy

Jude said:

Actually, it seems like a bad business move for a restaurant to give
you comped baskets of peanuts and popcorn as you arrive - fill up on
the freebies, no need for the extra appetizers or desserts!

But since those snax are salty you'll order more beverages -- profit -
wise beverages are the highest - margin items in a restaurant. Same
dealie as a bar offering free popcorn, peanuts, etc. -- if yer thirsty
you'll order more to drink...

--
Best
Greg

Nancy Young said:

"Jude" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I haven't eaten at a throw-shells-on-the-floor restuarant since I was a
kid and we used to go to the Ground Round.

Oh, thank you thank you thank you. I wracked my brain
trying to think of the name of that place. something about burgers,
no, sirloin something? Steak something. Thank you, Ground Round.

Yes, I remember the peanut shells on the floor there, I couldn't
get used to it.

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home; they also served baskets of fresh hot popcorn as you sat down and
screened old black and white movies without the sounds - not silent
flicks, but as i recall mostly Little Rascals.)

It was a fun place to eat.

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Actually, it seems like a bad business move for a restaurant to give
you comped baskets of peanuts and popcorn as you arrive - fill up on
the freebies, no need for the extra appetizers or desserts!

You'd think, but it was more of a kids place, as I recall, I don't
know that they got much call for appetizers, though that's the first
restaurant I recall that offered potato skins, I was embarrassed to
order them. It was a secret shame from childhood, we'd 'butter'
the skins of baked potatoes and eat them.

nancy

I was always hooked on their tuna melts. To this day, a tuna melt, to
me, has to be served on rye bread with swiss cheese. Open faced. With
peanuts and popcorn on the side. (joking about that!)

I agree it was a kids place, but I know that we often order an
appetizer as soon as we order our drinks, partly to stave off the
kiddo's hunger til the entrees come. Especially when we're in a place
where adults will get a salad course.

Fill the kids up on peanuts and popcorn, seems to me that folks are
gonna order less before everyone's full, kids are tired of being on
restuarant-behavior, and the family's ready to scurry on home.

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Peter Aitken said:

My point still stands, I believe. You knew there were shells before you
slipped. It was incumbent on you to either take more care or to leave. It
would be different if you slipped on, say, some ice dropped by a waiter.

The bigger danger they pose is to people with severe peanut allergies.
Theoretically, one could walk out with a significant amount of peanut
residue on one's shoes, and track that residue onto a carpet that a
small child might come into contact with.

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I know you have not mentioned suing anyone, but in a more general sense
suing in a situation like this would be a true example of the frivolous
lawsuits that everyone claims to be against.

I disagree. Someone should at least find out who their insurer is and
notify them of the potential liabilty. That way the insurer will force
the change.
Businesses seldom "do the right thing" if doing so results in any loss
of profit. I have taught my son that most corporations would kill you
and bury you in a shallow grave if that strategy offered the greatest
benefit to their shareholders. Lawsuits, and the threat of lawsuits,
are one of the only mitigators of pure greed in Capitalist economies.

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From cigarettes to cox-2 drugs to trans-fats in food, greed rules.

--

In general I agree with what you say, but I do not think it holds in this
case. The situations you mention are all cases of companies intentionally
hiding information or flat-out lying, and indeed they must be held liable.
In the current situation an adult, knowing there were peanut shells on the
floor, along with whatever risk they posed, went ahead anyway. There was no
hiding or deception, it was a presumably responsible adult making a decision
in full knowledge of the situation. I cannot see how any blame can
legitimately be assigned to the restaurant. If you went to a skating rink,
walked out on the ice, and fell, would you blame the rink owner?

--
Peter Aitken

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