bg spikes 50 points

Chris said:

My bg was 105. For dinner I made a soup of turnips, celery, and

tofu,

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which was 10g of carbs and 141 calories. For dessert I had a jello smoothie, which I suppose was
the problem: 18g and 100 calories. I couldn't resist. 40 minutes before the meal, I had Avandamet
(it seems to work best when taken beforehand.) An hour later, my bg has jumped up to 154. Is this
normal? (I know, I shouldn't have had

the

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dessert.)

Turnips are pretty starchy, I would be surprised if the carb count was only 10gr. What was in
the smoothie? Milk? Yoghurt? The jello was sugar free? Starchy veges have more carbs when well
cooked than raw.

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My bg was 105. For dinner I made a soup of turnips, celery, and tofu, which was 10g of carbs and
141 calories. For dessert I had a jello smoothie, which I suppose was the problem: 18g and 100
calories. I couldn't resist. 40 minutes before the meal, I had Avandamet (it seems to work best
when taken beforehand.) An hour later, my bg has jumped up to 154. Is this normal? (I know, I
shouldn't have had the dessert.)

Every body is different in how they react to certain carbs. Some of us find there are some foods we
simply can't eat. I have no idea what a Jell-O smoothie is. Is there some way you could have made it
with sugar free Jell-O?

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My bg was 105. For dinner I made a soup of turnips, celery, and tofu, which was 10g of carbs and
141 calories. For dessert I had a jello smoothie, which I suppose was the problem: 18g and 100
calories. I couldn't resist. 40 minutes before the meal, I had Avandamet (it seems to work best
when taken beforehand.) An hour later, my bg has jumped up to 154. Is this normal? (I know, I
shouldn't have had the dessert.)

Normal? No, but certainly not unusual for a diabetic. I once asked my endo what kind of spikes I
should expect after meals, and the answer was 100 points. The real issue is whether you're getting
back down into normal ranges 2 or 3 hours after the meal.

I'm a type II on insulin. I've been in the 5% club for several years now, despite the spikes.

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My bg was 105. For dinner I made a soup of turnips, celery, and tofu, which was 10g of carbs and
141 calories. For dessert I had a jello smoothie, which I suppose was the problem: 18g and 100
calories. I couldn't resist. 40 minutes before the meal, I had Avandamet (it seems to work best
when taken beforehand.) An hour later, my bg has jumped up to 154. Is this normal? (I know, I
shouldn't have had the dessert.)

In the absence of any control by your beta cells, 1 gram of fast carb should give you a very
quick 3 mg/dL jump in bG

(Actually, that's what it does to a 200-lb male, smaller folks should see bigger jumps)

The Smoothie probably was mostly fast carb. So 18 x 3 = 54, 105 + 54 =
159.. . .makes sense.

I have no idea of what happened to the carb in the soup but note that simmered soups and sauces tend
to extract soluble carb from otherwise "safe" diabetic foods. Soluble carb is a fast carb. Thus, you
might have gotten a bigger dose of fast carb than you intended.

(My carb book indicates that turnips contain 26 gram carb per lb of turnip
(160.6% carb). I use them as a replacement for potatoes in homemade beef stew. My insulin sometimes
forces my bG down after a meal of the stew)

Regards
Old Al

that is NOT a spike. Going up to 275 would be a "spike". take it easy, Chris. your bg's are not
going to remain exactly the same every hour of every day. just do your best to keep them with
reason. if your A1c is under 6 you are doing great...

dave

Chris said:

My bg was 105. For dinner I made a soup of turnips, celery, and tofu, which was 10g of carbs and
141 calories. For dessert I had a jello smoothie, which I suppose was the problem: 18g and 100
calories. I couldn't resist. 40 minutes before the meal, I had Avandamet (it seems to work best
when taken beforehand.) An hour later, my bg has jumped up to 154. Is this normal? (I know, I
shouldn't have had the dessert.)

Oldal I miss potatoes in my morning omelette. I've been using chayote squash instead. What can you
tell me about the taste of turnips? I've never eaten one, as far as I know.

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My bg was 105. For dinner I made a soup of turnips, celery, and tofu, which was 10g of carbs and
141 calories. For dessert I had a jello smoothie, which I suppose was the problem: 18g and 100
calories. I couldn't resist. 40 minutes before the meal, I had Avandamet (it seems to work best
when taken beforehand.) An hour later, my bg has jumped up to 154. Is this normal? (I know, I
shouldn't have had the dessert.)

In the absence of any control by your beta cells, 1 gram of fast carb should give you a very
quick 3 mg/dL jump in bG

(Actually, that's what it does to a 200-lb male, smaller folks should see bigger jumps)

The Smoothie probably was mostly fast carb. So 18 x 3 = 54, 105 + 54

=

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159.. . .makes sense.

I have no idea of what happened to the carb in the soup but note that simmered soups and sauces
tend to extract soluble carb from otherwise

"safe"

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diabetic foods. Soluble carb is a fast carb. Thus, you might have gotten a bigger dose of fast
carb than you intended.

(My carb book indicates that turnips contain 26 gram carb per lb of turnip
(5.6% carb). I use them as a replacement for potatoes in homemade beef stew. My insulin sometimes
forces my bG down after a meal of the stew)

Regards
Old Al

Julie, why didn't you tell Chris 50 points is not a spike!

dave

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My bg was 105. For dinner I made a soup of turnips, celery, and tofu, which was 10g of carbs and
141 calories. For dessert I had a jello smoothie, which I suppose was the problem: 18g and 100
calories. I couldn't resist. 40 minutes before the meal, I had Avandamet (it seems to work best
when taken beforehand.) An hour later, my bg has jumped up to 154. Is this normal? (I know, I
shouldn't have had the dessert.)

Every body is different in how they react to certain carbs. Some of us find there are some foods
we simply can't eat. I have no idea what a Jell-O smoothie is. Is there some way you could have
made it with sugar free Jell-O?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bay Area Dave said:

that is NOT a spike. Going up to 275 would be a "spike". take it easy, Chris. your bg's are not
going to remain exactly the same every hour of every day. just do your best to keep them with
reason. if your A1c is under 6 you are doing great...

dave

Chris said:

My bg was 105. For dinner I made a soup of turnips, celery, and tofu, which was 10g of carbs and
141 calories. For dessert I had a jello smoothie, which I suppose was the problem: 18g and 100
calories. I couldn't resist. 40 minutes before the meal, I had Avandamet (it seems to work best
when taken beforehand.) An hour later, my bg has jumped up to 154. Is this normal? (I know, I
shouldn't have had the dessert.)

Of course it's a spike. It's not a huge spike, but it's about 50 points and it's over 140. We try to
stay under 140 at 1 hour post prandial. That counts as a spike in my book.

Priscilla
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Uncle Enrico said:

What can you tell me about the taste of turnips? I've never eaten one, as far as I know.

I think turnips are kind of bitter/peppery and kind of sweet. I like them very much.

Priscilla
--
The Episcopal Church welcomes you... and you... and you....

Priscilla, your book needs re-writing! I wish you wouldn't cause folks undue alarm of a minor change
in bg like up to 154. I'm gonna really have to keep a close eye on you, I can see, to counter your
bad advice you like to spread here.

Saying "we try to stay under 140 at 1 hr" is fine for a textbook. Join the real world. You are just
going to make the op feel like he/she is a failure at dealing with their DM. They are doing fine.

I knew from the first few post you made here, that you were gonna end up being a PITA. You give bad
advice. You may not be a bad person, but you don't know what you are talking about.

dave

Priscilla Ballou said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Bay Area Dave

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that is NOT a spike. Going up to 275 would be a "spike". take it easy, Chris. your bg's are not
going to remain exactly the same every hour of every day. just do your best to keep them with
reason. if your A1c is under 6 you are doing great...

dave

Chris said:

My bg was 105. For dinner I made a soup of turnips, celery, and tofu, which was 10g of carbs and
141 calories. For dessert I had a jello smoothie, which I suppose was the problem: 18g and 100
calories. I couldn't resist. 40 minutes before the meal, I had Avandamet (it seems to work best
when taken beforehand.) An hour later, my bg has jumped up to 154. Is this normal? (I know, I
shouldn't have had the dessert.)

Of course it's a spike. It's not a huge spike, but it's about 50 points and it's over 140. We try
to stay under 140 at 1 hour post prandial. That counts as a spike in my book.

Priscilla

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 23:45:01 GMT, Priscilla Ballou <[email hidden]>

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In article <[email hidden]>, Bay Area Dave

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that is NOT a spike. Going up to 275 would be a "spike".

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dave

Chris said:

My bg was 105. For dinner I made a soup of turnips, celery, and tofu, which was 10g of carbs
and 141 calories. For dessert I had a jello smoothie, which I suppose was the problem: 18g and
100 calories. I couldn't resist. 40 minutes before the meal, I had Avandamet (it seems to work
best when taken beforehand.) An hour later, my bg has jumped up to 154. Is this normal? (I
know, I shouldn't have had the dessert.)

<snip>

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Of course it's a spike. It's not a huge spike, but it's about 50 points and it's over 140. We try
to stay under 140 at 1 hour post prandial. That counts as a spike in my book.

Priscilla

Hi Chris

Feeling a little confused by what came after this? So are the rest of us I suspect.

They are both right - it's all a matter of degree. I personally couldn't care if it was a spike or
not. That's irrelevant. It was an undesirable rise in your BGs that you would try to avoid in the
future, but which you shouldn't be unduly concerned about unless it recurs too often. It is
certainly worth reviewing the content and quantity of your meal; but beyond that, no big deal.

Your intent should be to get to the point where your spikes/surges/rise/highest post prandial
whatever is consistently under 140 or even less if possible.

Considering the rest of this thread; on second thoughts - don't consider the rest of this thread.
Schoolyard stuff.

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

Thanks, Priscilla. I see that turnips are 4 g. of carb per half cup while potatoes are about 25.

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Uncle Enrico"

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What can you tell me about the taste of turnips? I've never eaten one, as far as I know.

I think turnips are kind of bitter/peppery and kind of sweet. I like them very much.

Priscilla
--
The Episcopal Church welcomes you... and you... and you....

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Bay Area Dave said:

Priscilla, your book needs re-writing! I wish you wouldn't cause folks undue alarm of a minor
change in bg like up to 154. I'm gonna really have to keep a close eye on you, I can see, to
counter your bad advice you like to spread here.

You're going to be a busy little boy if you're going to counter the advice to stay under 140
at one hour.

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Saying "we try to stay under 140 at 1 hr" is fine for a textbook. Join the real world.

Lots of folks here maintain tight control. We live in the real world.

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You are just going to make the op feel like he/she is a failure at dealing with their DM. They are
doing fine.

They won't do fine if they don't find out that 154 from 105 is a spike.

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I knew from the first few post you made here, that you were gonna end up being a PITA. You give
bad advice. You may not be a bad person, but you don't know what you are talking about.

LOL. Yeah, right.

Priscilla
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The Episcopal Church welcomes you... and you... and you....

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You give bad advice. You may not be a bad person, but you don't know what you are talking about.

I followed Priscilla here from another ng. Before she gives advice, she *always* knows what she's
talking about.

Chakolate

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If you want to be the center of attention, make tuna salad in front of your cats.

Bay Area Dave said:

Priscilla, your book needs re-writing! I wish you wouldn't cause folks undue alarm of a minor
change in bg like up to 154. I'm gonna really have to keep a close eye on you, I can see, to
counter your bad advice you like to spread here.

Saying "we try to stay under 140 at 1 hr" is fine for a textbook. Join the real world. You are
just going to make the op feel like he/she is a failure at dealing with their DM. They are
doing fine.

I knew from the first few post you made here, that you were gonna end up being a PITA. You give
bad advice. You may not be a bad person, but you don't know what you are talking about.

dave

"your message will be lost due to your delivery. You could have explained that you felt their
readings were ok, and left off the demeaning comment. You are gonna be prime plonking material here
if you keep it up.

dave"

TIme to take your own advice.

Jim

Alan: Geez I wish I had your turn of phrase. Even if it's upside-down.
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Priscilla Ballou said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Bay Area Dave

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that is NOT a spike. Going up to 275 would be a "spike".

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dave

Chris wrote:

> My bg was 105. For dinner I made a soup of turnips, celery, and tofu, which was 10g of carbs
> and 141 calories. For dessert I had a jello smoothie, which I suppose was the problem: 18g
> and 100 calories. I couldn't resist. 40 minutes before the meal, I had Avandamet (it seems to
> work best when taken beforehand.) An hour later, my bg has jumped up to 154. Is this normal?
> (I know, I shouldn't have had the dessert.)

<snip>

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Of course it's a spike. It's not a huge spike, but it's about 50 points and it's over 140. We try
to stay under 140 at 1 hour post prandial. That counts as a spike in my book.

Priscilla

Hi Chris

Feeling a little confused by what came after this? So are the rest of us I suspect.

They are both right - it's all a matter of degree. I personally couldn't care if it was a spike or
not. That's irrelevant. It was an undesirable rise in your BGs that you would try to avoid in the
future, but which you shouldn't be unduly concerned about unless it recurs too often. It is
certainly worth reviewing the content and quantity of your meal; but beyond that, no big deal.

Your intent should be to get to the point where your spikes/surges/rise/highest post prandial
whatever is consistently under 140 or even less if possible.

Considering the rest of this thread; on second thoughts - don't consider the rest of this thread.
Schoolyard stuff.

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

I re-iterate you are carrying on like a fool over a reasonable 1 hour bg reading. Christ, you are
uninformed! I HATE arguing with people like you, but because other people are reading your [censored], I
will engage you when you cry wolf. The world isn't perfect, and bg readings for a DM are not going
to be 90-110 all day long. You may be smug, but you WRONG in this instance. Calling me names isn't
going to get you any brownie points, either, MISSY. I'll chase you all over this NG until you either
plonk me, in which case I'm free to refute your misinformation, or you'll spend YOUR time defending
your views.

dave

Priscilla Ballou said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Bay Area Dave

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Priscilla, your book needs re-writing! I wish you wouldn't cause folks undue alarm of a minor
change in bg like up to 154. I'm gonna really have to keep a close eye on you, I can see, to
counter your bad advice you like to spread here.

You're going to be a busy little boy if you're going to counter the advice to stay under 140 at
one hour.

Quoted message said:

Saying "we try to stay under 140 at 1 hr" is fine for a textbook. Join the real world.

Lots of folks here maintain tight control. We live in the real world.

Quoted message said:

You are just going to make the op feel like he/she is a failure at dealing with their DM. They are
doing fine.

They won't do fine if they don't find out that 154 from 105 is a spike.

Quoted message said:

I knew from the first few post you made here, that you were gonna end up being a PITA. You give
bad advice. You may not be a bad person, but you don't know what you are talking about.

LOL. Yeah, right.

Priscilla

t2_lurking said:

Alan: Geez I wish I had your turn of phrase. Even if it's upside-down.
8))

THx T2 :-)

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

sure thing, chocolate...

dave

Chakolate said:

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You give bad advice. You may not be a bad person, but you don't know what you are talking about.

I followed Priscilla here from another ng. Before she gives advice, she *always* knows what she's
talking about.

Chakolate