Bicycle friendly facilities

sinus said:

There has been a lot of talk, though no action yet, from Melbourne city council about bicycle facilities. Probably the same in other state capitals.

Here's an example of what can be done:
chicagobikestation.comindex.htmOpen ↗

$100 p/a, I'd be up for that. Never mind that I have secure parking at work, there are times where I've taken the car or train 'cause I'm not comfortable leaving my bike locked up in the street.

EuanB said:

$100 p/a, I'd be up for that. Never mind that I have secure parking at work, there are times where I've taken the car or train 'cause I'm not comfortable leaving my bike locked up in the street.

Wait until someone returns from o/s. 😉 sshhhhhhh!

Brisbane City Council is well-advanced with its end-of-trip facility
near the city centre. It's going to be part of a new underground bus
terminus. It will be privately managed, with daily fees covering
lockup, locker, shower, towel. Fee will be near a return, three zone
bus ticket ($7?). They developed this after surveys and discussions (I
think this is a little high myself and will put off quite a few users).
The rest is commercial-in-confidence, but you might be able to get more
info by phoning the council on 07 3403 8888 and asking for the Cyclist
and Pedestrian Access Unit coordinator.

Hmmm, other places should be able to use the lessons and plans of BCC
and elsewhere, rather than doing more studies and wasting more time.
Just get on with it!

Donga

"Donga" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

It will be privately managed, with daily fees covering
lockup, locker, shower, towel.

I wish the TCC developed something like this (Townsville), especially in
summer in North Qld 🙂

--
Trevor S

"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
-Albert Einstein

sinus said:

There has been a lot of talk, though no action yet, from Melbourne city
council about bicycle facilities. Probably the same in other state
capitals.

Here's an example of what can be done:
http://www.chicagobikestation.com/index.htm

That's pretty snazzy.

I've been trying to get some people I know who ride recreationally to
commute, and we're gradually working through the excuses and finding
solutions, stuff like the above is great and would cross off a few of
their excuses. But, it's not *necessary* to have uberbikeparks to have
more people commuting etc by bike. Sure would be good though and would
probably help the cause.

IMO having facilities at workplaces and shopping centers to securely
park bikes & store clothes etc is something to be worked towards. I'm
loathe to ride to the local stupormarket unless I have (yet another!)
bike to do it - I don't want to leave the good roady out the front
while I go shopping, and most shopping centres are a bit nonplussed
when I wheel the bike through the isles 🙂

But the big killer is kids not riding to school anymore (but they all
drink sports drinks, high GI ... but not doing the exercise to justify
it .. and lo! obesity .. how amazing!). I rode past a few schools
yesterday at about kick-out-o-clock and hardly a bike to be seen. When
I was a kid (and we had to wear helmets then too, it was a school rule
that predated the road law .. so wipe that one ..) heaps of my friends
rode and the school bikeshed was overflowing with bikes (and it was a
*big* bikeshed). There's an article about kids and schools in the
latest BV rag, so at least they're (BV) aware of it. I reckon banning
kids being dropped off at schools would be a better thing than banning
cars from the CBD! (I'm only half tongue-in-cheek 🙂 ).

Yeerrss. How did the MelbCityCOuncil vote go for amongst 'other transport things' $120K to investigate a 'SuperBikStation' in Melb???

PS BV are launching "Ride2SchoolDay" this year (cant remember date)
Will include temporary bikeshelters to guage need and follow up for funding/2-build, BikeEducation over phased/staged/period, encouraging parents to learn/ride also. It's a start but should grow rapidly as funding seems abundant

back soon. lots o video/toys/goodies

Bleve said:

But the big killer is kids not riding to school anymore (but they all
drink sports drinks, high GI ... but not doing the exercise to justify
it .. and lo! obesity .. how amazing!). I rode past a few schools
yesterday at about kick-out-o-clock and hardly a bike to be seen. When
I was a kid (and we had to wear helmets then too, it was a school rule
that predated the road law .. so wipe that one ..) heaps of my friends
rode and the school bikeshed was overflowing with bikes (and it was a
*big* bikeshed). There's an article about kids and schools in the
latest BV rag, so at least they're (BV) aware of it. I reckon banning
kids being dropped off at schools would be a better thing than banning
cars from the CBD! (I'm only half tongue-in-cheek 🙂 ).

The local paper had a story about a year ago about kids not riding to
school, and it quoted a headmaster who said schools discourage kids from
riding to school because they consider it unsafe.

It probably *is* unsafe, because of all the parents having to park their
Landcruiser etc at the gate to drop off/pick up their kids.

Kids can't even walk to school by themselves anymore - they need a "walking
bus" where an adult supervises a group of kids walking.

Bleve said:

When
I was a kid (and we had to wear helmets then too, it was a school rule
that predated the road law .. so wipe that one ..)

You're sure about that one?

Helmets for children, fair enough. Protect the young, they're learning
etc etc. Suddenly everyone has to wear a helmet. Cycling must be
really dangerous! I'm not letting my child cycle, don't need a helmet
to walk so cycling must be really dangerous if you need a helmet!

Quoted message said:

I reckon banning kids being dropped off at schools would be a better
thing than banning cars from the CBD! (I'm only half tongue-in-cheek
🙂 ).

Dang, thought you were serious. Sounds like a good plan to me.
--
Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

Bleve said:

sinus said:

There has been a lot of talk, though no action yet, from Melbourne city
council about bicycle facilities. Probably the same in other state
capitals.

Here's an example of what can be done:
http://www.chicagobikestation.com/index.htm

That's pretty snazzy.

I've been trying to get some people I know who ride recreationally to
commute, and we're gradually working through the excuses and finding
solutions, stuff like the above is great and would cross off a few of
their excuses. But, it's not *necessary* to have uberbikeparks to have
more people commuting etc by bike. Sure would be good though and would
probably help the cause.

IMO having facilities at workplaces and shopping centers to securely
park bikes & store clothes etc is something to be worked towards. I'm
loathe to ride to the local stupormarket unless I have (yet another!)
bike to do it - I don't want to leave the good roady out the front
while I go shopping, and most shopping centres are a bit nonplussed
when I wheel the bike through the isles 🙂

But the big killer is kids not riding to school anymore (but they all
drink sports drinks, high GI ... but not doing the exercise to justify
it .. and lo! obesity .. how amazing!). I rode past a few schools
yesterday at about kick-out-o-clock and hardly a bike to be seen. When
I was a kid (and we had to wear helmets then too, it was a school rule
that predated the road law .. so wipe that one ..) heaps of my friends
rode and the school bikeshed was overflowing with bikes (and it was a
*big* bikeshed). There's an article about kids and schools in the
latest BV rag, so at least they're (BV) aware of it. I reckon banning
kids being dropped off at schools would be a better thing than banning
cars from the CBD! (I'm only half tongue-in-cheek 🙂 ).

At the school where I work there are exactly 5 kids who ride. WHich I
think is better than average. Secure parking is the key really.
Either that or really cheap (subsidized) insurance or the death penaltyy
for nicking a bike. 🙂

Hell I use the motorbike at least half the times that I use it cos I am
going somewhere I think unsafe to leave the pushy

Dave

FD:

Quoted message said:

Yeerrss. How did the MelbCityCOuncil vote go for amongst 'other transport things' $120K to investigate a 'SuperBikStation' in Melb???

Jaysus! You could get two officers to Chicago on a junket for $20K. For
$120K, you would want to be at the tender stage!!

Donga

Euan said:

"Bleve" <[email hidden]> writes:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I reckon banning kids being dropped off at schools would be a better
thing than banning cars from the CBD! (I'm only half tongue-in-cheek
🙂 ).

Dang, thought you were serious. Sounds like a good plan to me.

When I was little, Mum or Dad would drop bro and me off near school on
rainy days - at a cul-de-sac that was 2/3 of the way there, so we just
had to walk through a walkway, and cross at the ligths. My parents said
there was no way they were going to go past the front of the school,
"with all that traffic!" My parents were pretty cool.

Wonder how the CoM planning committee meeting vote on the draft Transport Strategy went last night? We were too busy at Fed Square (microbrewery tastings, yum!)

The subject of bike friendly facilities, or plans of, should be discussed here next week:

Connecting Cycling Melbourne
http://www.cyclingforums.com/t317505-%5Bmelb%5D-connecting-cycling-melbourne.html

Or why not (politely) collar a couple of the conference speakers and ask them?

Euan said:

Bleve said:

When
I was a kid (and we had to wear helmets then too, it was a school rule
that predated the road law .. so wipe that one ..)

You're sure about that one?

I'm sure I had a stackhat and had to wear it, yes. So did everyone
else at my school who rode.

Quoted message said:

Helmets for children, fair enough. Protect the young, they're learning
etc etc. Suddenly everyone has to wear a helmet. Cycling must be
really dangerous! I'm not letting my child cycle, don't need a helmet
to walk so cycling must be really dangerous if you need a helmet!

Get over it. Car occupants have to wear seatbelts, doesn't stop people
driving.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I reckon banning kids being dropped off at schools would be a better
thing than banning cars from the CBD! (I'm only half tongue-in-cheek
🙂 ).

Dang, thought you were serious. Sounds like a good plan to me.

It's a great plan! 🙂

quote='Bleve'Euan said:

Helmets for children, fair enough. Protect the young, they're learning
etc etc. Suddenly everyone has to wear a helmet. Cycling must be
really dangerous! I'm not letting my child cycle, don't need a helmet
to walk so cycling must be really dangerous if you need a helmet!

Get over it. Car occupants have to wear seatbelts, doesn't stop people
driving.
[/QUOTE] Nothing to get over.

Seatbelts and helmets don't have the same emotional impact. Mandate helmet use for cars and I wonder how many would stop driving?

EuanB said:

Bleve said:

Euan said:

Helmets for children, fair enough. Protect the young, they're

learning

Quoted message said:

etc etc. Suddenly everyone has to wear a helmet. Cycling must be
really dangerous! I'm not letting my child cycle, don't need a

helmet

Quoted message said:

to walk so cycling must be really dangerous if you need a helmet!

Get over it. Car occupants have to wear seatbelts, doesn't stop
people
driving.
Nothing to get over.

Seatbelts and helmets don't have the same emotional impact. Mandate
helmet use for cars and I wonder how many would stop
driving?

Heh. I am not getting into a helmet debate with you 🙂

cfsmtb said:

Wonder how the CoM planning committee meeting vote on the draft
Transport Strategy went last night? We were too busy at Fed Square
(microbrewery tastings, yum!)

Yes yes, gloat away. Some of us were on-call. And no, the odd tipple
here and there isn't allowed, danged zero alcohol environment.

<grumble grumble mutter mutter>
--
Cheers (in to his | ~~ __@
Euan 3rd tinnie) | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

Donga said:

FD:

Quoted message said:

Yeerrss. How did the MelbCityCOuncil vote go for amongst 'other transport things' $120K to investigate a 'SuperBikStation' in Melb???

Jaysus! You could get two officers to Chicago on a junket for $20K. For
$120K, you would want to be at the tender stage!!

Add another $20K each for each councillor, at least two, that also feels
that they need to go along.