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  1. I always ride with at least two lights.
    Put a Princeton Tec EOS light on your
    helmet (be sure to get the bike version)
    http://www.basegear.com/eosbikelight.html
    and when a car comes at you, point
    this light on your helmet right in front
    of your front wheel and you won't miss a
    thing.

    On bike lights, unfortunately
    flashlights have moved light years ahead
    of bike lights. This is what to use if
    you want mega-LED light like this
    http://www.zombierunner.com/store/product710.html
    and mount it with the twofish cygoblock
    http://www.lighthound.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=281

  2. I've been riding my bike at night. I have a cateye 5 led headlamp powered by
    4 AA batteries. It casts a beam a long ways, probably about 150 feet. The
    beam is pretty narrow though and it's not anywhere near as bright as a car
    headlight. On a dark road with no cars, I can see pretty well. Potholes show
    up as black, but I don't really know how deep they are. The cateye just
    doesn't light them up enough. The narrow, focused beam also doesn't let me
    see things to the right, left, below and above very well. Basically it's a
    big dot of light way up ahead the way I've got it aimed right now. If I aim
    it down more, it'll be an even more narrow dot, but I'll probably get more
    info about the depth of holes and cracks. A disadvantage of the narrow beam
    is that it's easy to hit your head on a protruding branch on a trail. That's
    happened already.

    I know there are halogen bulbs for bikes with huge, rechargeable batteries.
    They're lots more expensive, about $200 as opposed to my cateye which is
    only $35 or so. Are those halogens bright enough that when a car comes by I
    won't totally get blinded by the contrast in light intensity like I do with
    the cateye. If I look right at a car right now, I won't be able to see for
    about 5 seconds with the cateye.

    It would be nice if these light manufacturers mentioned little details like
    the blinding effect when your lamp isn't as bright as auto lights. All they
    do is talk about how bright their lights are. In the case of this cateye, I
    don't believe it would pass reasonable regulations if there were any. It's a
    nice flashlight but not roadworthy. You'll know about some of the potholes.
    Most people will want to know about all the potholes. I can't imagine
    anybody would want to ride blind for 5 or 10 seconds at a stretch.

  3. Greens said:

    I've been riding my bike at night. I have a cateye 5 led headlamp powered by
    4 AA batteries. It casts a beam a long ways, probably about 150 feet. The
    beam is pretty narrow though and it's not anywhere near as bright as a car
    headlight. On a dark road with no cars, I can see pretty well. Potholes show
    up as black, but I don't really know how deep they are. The cateye just
    doesn't light them up enough. The narrow, focused beam also doesn't let me
    see things to the right, left, below and above very well. Basically it's a
    big dot of light way up ahead the way I've got it aimed right now. If I aim
    it down more, it'll be an even more narrow dot, but I'll probably get more
    info about the depth of holes and cracks. A disadvantage of the narrow beam
    is that it's easy to hit your head on a protruding branch on a trail. That's
    happened already.

    I know there are halogen bulbs for bikes with huge, rechargeable batteries.
    They're lots more expensive, about $200 as opposed to my cateye which is
    only $35 or so. Are those halogens bright enough that when a car comes by I
    won't totally get blinded by the contrast in light intensity like I do with
    the cateye. If I look right at a car right now, I won't be able to see for
    about 5 seconds with the cateye.

    It would be nice if these light manufacturers mentioned little details like
    the blinding effect when your lamp isn't as bright as auto lights. All they
    do is talk about how bright their lights are. In the case of this cateye, I
    don't believe it would pass reasonable regulations if there were any. It's a
    nice flashlight but not roadworthy. You'll know about some of the potholes.
    Most people will want to know about all the potholes. I can't imagine
    anybody would want to ride blind for 5 or 10 seconds at a stretch.

    There are plenty of decent lights between $15 and $200. For example Cygo
    12W (dual beam 6+6 wide and narrow)$60. Stop at any competent LBS and
    test a few light sets next to your Cateye. You'll be impressed I think.

    And yes do try to look aside as the car passes, just as you would on a
    car or motorcycle to lessen the annoying eye aperture change times.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  4. "A Muzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Greens said:

    I've been riding my bike at night. I have a cateye 5 led headlamp powered
    by 4 AA batteries. It casts a beam a long ways, probably about 150 feet.
    The beam is pretty narrow though and it's not anywhere near as bright as
    a car headlight. On a dark road with no cars, I can see pretty well.
    Potholes show up as black, but I don't really know how deep they are. The
    cateye just doesn't light them up enough. The narrow, focused beam also
    doesn't let me see things to the right, left, below and above very well.
    Basically it's a big dot of light way up ahead the way I've got it aimed
    right now. If I aim it down more, it'll be an even more narrow dot, but
    I'll probably get more info about the depth of holes and cracks. A
    disadvantage of the narrow beam is that it's easy to hit your head on a
    protruding branch on a trail. That's happened already.

    I know there are halogen bulbs for bikes with huge, rechargeable
    batteries. They're lots more expensive, about $200 as opposed to my
    cateye which is only $35 or so. Are those halogens bright enough that
    when a car comes by I won't totally get blinded by the contrast in light
    intensity like I do with the cateye. If I look right at a car right now,
    I won't be able to see for about 5 seconds with the cateye.

    It would be nice if these light manufacturers mentioned little details
    like the blinding effect when your lamp isn't as bright as auto lights.
    All they do is talk about how bright their lights are. In the case of
    this cateye, I don't believe it would pass reasonable regulations if
    there were any. It's a nice flashlight but not roadworthy. You'll know
    about some of the potholes. Most people will want to know about all the
    potholes. I can't imagine anybody would want to ride blind for 5 or 10
    seconds at a stretch.

    There are plenty of decent lights between $15 and $200. For example Cygo
    12W (dual beam 6+6 wide and narrow)$60. Stop at any competent LBS and test
    a few light sets next to your Cateye. You'll be impressed I think.

    And yes do try to look aside as the car passes, just as you would on a car
    or motorcycle to lessen the annoying eye aperture change times.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    Unfortunately, I'm many miles from a competent LBS. At least I think I am.
    I don't really know what an LBS is. I bought the cateye from an internet
    catalog. It was in one of the big mail order bike shops. I wish they'd been
    a little more informative on the Cateye's drawbacks.

  5. Greens said:

    "A Muzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Greens said:

    I've been riding my bike at night. I have a cateye 5 led headlamp powered
    by 4 AA batteries. It casts a beam a long ways, probably about 150 feet.
    The beam is pretty narrow though and it's not anywhere near as bright as
    a car headlight. On a dark road with no cars, I can see pretty well.
    Potholes show up as black, but I don't really know how deep they are. The
    cateye just doesn't light them up enough. The narrow, focused beam also
    doesn't let me see things to the right, left, below and above very well.
    Basically it's a big dot of light way up ahead the way I've got it aimed
    right now. If I aim it down more, it'll be an even more narrow dot, but
    I'll probably get more info about the depth of holes and cracks. A
    disadvantage of the narrow beam is that it's easy to hit your head on a
    protruding branch on a trail. That's happened already.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I know there are halogen bulbs for bikes with huge, rechargeable
    batteries. They're lots more expensive, about $200 as opposed to my
    cateye which is only $35 or so. Are those halogens bright enough that
    when a car comes by I won't totally get blinded by the contrast in light
    intensity like I do with the cateye. If I look right at a car right now,
    I won't be able to see for about 5 seconds with the cateye.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It would be nice if these light manufacturers mentioned little details
    like the blinding effect when your lamp isn't as bright as auto lights.
    All they do is talk about how bright their lights are. In the case of
    this cateye, I don't believe it would pass reasonable regulations if
    there were any. It's a nice flashlight but not roadworthy. You'll know
    about some of the potholes. Most people will want to know about all the
    potholes. I can't imagine anybody would want to ride blind for 5 or 10
    seconds at a stretch.

    Quoted message said:

    There are plenty of decent lights between $15 and $200. For example Cygo
    12W (dual beam 6+6 wide and narrow)$60. Stop at any competent LBS and test
    a few light sets next to your Cateye. You'll be impressed I think.

    Quoted message said:

    And yes do try to look aside as the car passes, just as you would on a car
    or motorcycle to lessen the annoying eye aperture change times.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    Unfortunately, I'm many miles from a competent LBS. At least I think I am.
    I don't really know what an LBS is. I bought the cateye from an internet
    catalog. It was in one of the big mail order bike shops. I wish they'd been
    a little more informative on the Cateye's drawbacks.

    I think that no matter how bright your light is you'll still be
    temporarilly blinded by oncoming automibiles. Have you given any
    thought to using 2 headlights aimed at differing elevations?

    Eric

  6. On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:26:50 -0400, "Greens" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I've been riding my bike at night. I have a cateye 5 led headlamp powered by
    4 AA batteries...

    I'm using the Cateye HL-EL500 and find it quite good; it's been
    superceded by the EL530 http://www.cateye.com/en/product_detail/345 ,
    which is the same light with improved opto-electronic package yielding
    a claimed 50% increase in output.

    If you're looking for cheap, try to find the EL500 on closeout, I got
    my second one at less than half price following the introduction of
    the EL530. If you were over here, I'd send you to SJSC, who still have
    them at 19.99 compared with 42.00 for the new model

    Kinky Cowboy*

    *Batteries not included
    May contain traces of nuts
    Your milage may vary

  7. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Greens said:

    I've been riding my bike at night. I have a cateye 5 led headlamp powered
    by 4 AA batteries. It casts a beam a long ways, probably about 150 feet.
    The beam is pretty narrow though and it's not anywhere near as bright as
    a car headlight. On a dark road with no cars, I can see pretty well.
    Potholes show up as black, but I don't really know how deep they are. The
    cateye just doesn't light them up enough. The narrow, focused beam also
    doesn't let me see things to the right, left, below and above very well.
    Basically it's a big dot of light way up ahead the way I've got it aimed
    right now. If I aim it down more, it'll be an even more narrow dot, but
    I'll probably get more info about the depth of holes and cracks. A
    disadvantage of the narrow beam is that it's easy to hit your head on a
    protruding branch on a trail. That's happened already.

    I know there are halogen bulbs for bikes with huge, rechargeable
    batteries. They're lots more expensive, about $200 as opposed to my
    cateye which is only $35 or so. Are those halogens bright enough that
    when a car comes by I won't totally get blinded by the contrast in light
    intensity like I do with the cateye. If I look right at a car right now,
    I won't be able to see for about 5 seconds with the cateye.

    It would be nice if these light manufacturers mentioned little details
    like the blinding effect when your lamp isn't as bright as auto lights.
    All they do is talk about how bright their lights are. In the case of
    this cateye, I don't believe it would pass reasonable regulations if
    there were any. It's a nice flashlight but not roadworthy. You'll know
    about some of the potholes. Most people will want to know about all the
    potholes. I can't imagine anybody would want to ride blind for 5 or 10
    seconds at a stretch.

    Quoted message said:

    "A Muzi" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    There are plenty of decent lights between $15 and $200. For example Cygo
    12W (dual beam 6+6 wide and narrow)$60. Stop at any competent LBS and test
    a few light sets next to your Cateye. You'll be impressed I think.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    And yes do try to look aside as the car passes, just as you would on a car
    or motorcycle to lessen the annoying eye aperture change times.

    Greens said:

    Unfortunately, I'm many miles from a competent LBS. At least I think I am.
    I don't really know what an LBS is. I bought the cateye from an internet
    catalog. It was in one of the big mail order bike shops. I wish they'd been
    a little more informative on the Cateye's drawbacks.

    Not all that horrible, though. Hey, for the same price you could have
    purchased a simple LED blinky with 1/10 the lumens! Or with a special
    battery. Cateye lights are good for what they are, your needs may be
    different. Light product has exploded exponentially in recent years, $10
    to $500 in thousands of steps for every desire or need.

    LBS= Local Bicycle Store. The key word was 'competent'.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  8. "bluezfolk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Greens said:

    "A Muzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Greens wrote:
    > I've been riding my bike at night. I have a cateye 5 led headlamp
    > powered
    > by 4 AA batteries. It casts a beam a long ways, probably about 150
    > feet.
    > The beam is pretty narrow though and it's not anywhere near as bright
    > as
    > a car headlight. On a dark road with no cars, I can see pretty well.
    > Potholes show up as black, but I don't really know how deep they are.
    > The
    > cateye just doesn't light them up enough. The narrow, focused beam
    > also
    > doesn't let me see things to the right, left, below and above very
    > well.
    > Basically it's a big dot of light way up ahead the way I've got it
    > aimed
    > right now. If I aim it down more, it'll be an even more narrow dot,
    > but
    > I'll probably get more info about the depth of holes and cracks. A
    > disadvantage of the narrow beam is that it's easy to hit your head on
    > a
    > protruding branch on a trail. That's happened already.

    Quoted message said:

    > I know there are halogen bulbs for bikes with huge, rechargeable
    > batteries. They're lots more expensive, about $200 as opposed to my
    > cateye which is only $35 or so. Are those halogens bright enough that
    > when a car comes by I won't totally get blinded by the contrast in
    > light
    > intensity like I do with the cateye. If I look right at a car right
    > now,
    > I won't be able to see for about 5 seconds with the cateye.

    Quoted message said:

    > It would be nice if these light manufacturers mentioned little details
    > like the blinding effect when your lamp isn't as bright as auto
    > lights.
    > All they do is talk about how bright their lights are. In the case of
    > this cateye, I don't believe it would pass reasonable regulations if
    > there were any. It's a nice flashlight but not roadworthy. You'll know
    > about some of the potholes. Most people will want to know about all
    > the
    > potholes. I can't imagine anybody would want to ride blind for 5 or 10
    > seconds at a stretch.

    Quoted message said:

    There are plenty of decent lights between $15 and $200. For example
    Cygo
    12W (dual beam 6+6 wide and narrow)$60. Stop at any competent LBS and
    test
    a few light sets next to your Cateye. You'll be impressed I think.

    Quoted message said:

    And yes do try to look aside as the car passes, just as you would on a
    car
    or motorcycle to lessen the annoying eye aperture change times.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    Unfortunately, I'm many miles from a competent LBS. At least I think I
    am.
    I don't really know what an LBS is. I bought the cateye from an internet
    catalog. It was in one of the big mail order bike shops. I wish they'd
    been
    a little more informative on the Cateye's drawbacks.

    I think that no matter how bright your light is you'll still be
    temporarilly blinded by oncoming automibiles. Have you given any
    thought to using 2 headlights aimed at differing elevations?

    Eric

    Yes, I have. The cateye only comes with one mount though and it's on my
    girlfriend's bike. (she doesn't do much night riding). If I had another
    mount, I'd pop her headlight off and put it on my bike at a lower angle so
    I'd have a sharper view of the road. Maybe they'd be willing to send me
    another mount at an outrageous price.

  9. wear a baseball cap. always bring a baseball cap.
    then try shooters' yellow clipon's from 'yorketowne optical' in
    Emigsville
    buy two cateyes, three! there's no law ya only mount one cateye.
    be creative-get a strobe
    i look like the eclectic cyclist with 5 yellow blinkies, one red oval
    rear, a wal red rear, an cateye headlamp. the occasional drunk comes
    out to cheer me onward! the cops think this is really cool and
    everyone is unbearably srupid about this.

  10. "datakoll" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    wear a baseball cap. always bring a baseball cap.
    then try shooters' yellow clipon's from 'yorketowne optical' in
    Emigsville
    buy two cateyes, three! there's no law ya only mount one cateye.
    be creative-get a strobe
    i look like the eclectic cyclist with 5 yellow blinkies, one red oval
    rear, a wal red rear, an cateye headlamp. the occasional drunk comes
    out to cheer me onward! the cops think this is really cool and
    everyone is unbearably srupid about this.

    I've got inch and a half wide reflective strips for my ankles and a
    reflective strip on one side of a frame bag. I don't know what's up with
    that. You'd think they'd put the reflective on both sides of the bag. I do
    want to get more lights. If you're going to be crazy enough to go out at
    night, you better be visible. The manufacturers always make a big deal out
    of the tiny reflective bits they put on clothes and shoes. Everybody talks
    about visibility, but nobody does much. You have to add everything on for
    yourself. My helmet, which I purchased at a bike shop is... black. Am I
    trying to look dignified or invisible? No bright colors were available.
    There's no place to attach a headlamp on the helmet unless they make special
    lights for slotted helmets.

    Some things I've noticed - I go out after midnight. I think it might be
    safer than in the day. Many fewer cars and with lights you draw attention
    from a long way off. Drivers have a lot of distractions during the day.
    Fewer cars is just pure heaven. Cooler temperatures are nice in the summer
    too.

  11. Greens said:

    "bluezfolk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Greens said:

    "A Muzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Greens wrote:
    >> I've been riding my bike at night. I have a cateye 5 led headlamp
    >> powered
    >> by 4 AA batteries. It casts a beam a long ways, probably about 150
    >> feet.
    >> The beam is pretty narrow though and it's not anywhere near as bright
    >> as
    >> a car headlight. On a dark road with no cars, I can see pretty well.
    >> Potholes show up as black, but I don't really know how deep they are.
    >> The
    >> cateye just doesn't light them up enough. The narrow, focused beam
    >> also
    >> doesn't let me see things to the right, left, below and above very
    >> well.
    >> Basically it's a big dot of light way up ahead the way I've got it
    >> aimed
    >> right now. If I aim it down more, it'll be an even more narrow dot,
    >> but
    >> I'll probably get more info about the depth of holes and cracks. A
    >> disadvantage of the narrow beam is that it's easy to hit your head on
    >> a
    >> protruding branch on a trail. That's happened already.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> I know there are halogen bulbs for bikes with huge, rechargeable
    >> batteries. They're lots more expensive, about $200 as opposed to my
    >> cateye which is only $35 or so. Are those halogens bright enough that
    >> when a car comes by I won't totally get blinded by the contrast in
    >> light
    >> intensity like I do with the cateye. If I look right at a car right
    >> now,
    >> I won't be able to see for about 5 seconds with the cateye.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> It would be nice if these light manufacturers mentioned little details
    >> like the blinding effect when your lamp isn't as bright as auto
    >> lights.
    >> All they do is talk about how bright their lights are. In the case of
    >> this cateye, I don't believe it would pass reasonable regulations if
    >> there were any. It's a nice flashlight but not roadworthy. You'll know
    >> about some of the potholes. Most people will want to know about all
    >> the
    >> potholes. I can't imagine anybody would want to ride blind for 5 or 10
    >> seconds at a stretch.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > There are plenty of decent lights between $15 and $200. For example
    > Cygo
    > 12W (dual beam 6+6 wide and narrow)$60. Stop at any competent LBS and
    > test
    > a few light sets next to your Cateye. You'll be impressed I think.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > And yes do try to look aside as the car passes, just as you would on a
    > car
    > or motorcycle to lessen the annoying eye aperture change times.
    > --
    > Andrew Muzi
    >www.yellowjersey.org
    > Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Unfortunately, I'm many miles from a competent LBS. At least I think I
    am.
    I don't really know what an LBS is. I bought the cateye from an internet
    catalog. It was in one of the big mail order bike shops. I wish they'd
    been
    a little more informative on the Cateye's drawbacks.

    Quoted message said:

    I think that no matter how bright your light is you'll still be
    temporarilly blinded by oncoming automibiles. Have you given any
    thought to using 2 headlights aimed at differing elevations?

    Quoted message said:

    Eric

    Yes, I have. The cateye only comes with one mount though and it's on my
    girlfriend's bike. (she doesn't do much night riding). If I had another
    mount, I'd pop her headlight off and put it on my bike at a lower angle so
    I'd have a sharper view of the road. Maybe they'd be willing to send me
    another mount at an outrageous price.

    wtf? cateye brackets are very easily available either consumer direct
    or through any lbs and are reasonably priced. they're also heavily
    into cross-compatible brackets, which is good and actually allows
    shops to simply stock some cateye brackets. cateye is extremely good
    with support for their stuff. http://www.cateye.com/store/categories.php?cid=2

    also, you might try using rechargeables and just charge them
    frequently. i rode an hl-el300, the first cateye 5 led light, for 2
    years, and with fresh batteries found it it to be pretty impressive
    even for totally dark conditions, but it does get pretty mediocre as
    the batteries lose it.

  12. Kinky Cowboy said:


    I'm using the Cateye HL-EL500 and find it quite good; it's been
    superceded by the EL530 http://www.cateye.com/en/product_detail/345 ,
    which is the same light with improved opto-electronic package yielding
    a claimed 50% increase in output.

    If you're looking for cheap, try to find the EL500 on closeout, I got
    my second one at less than half price following the introduction of
    the EL530. If you were over here, I'd send you to SJSC, who still have
    them at 19.99 compared with 42.00 for the new model

    I have looked at a bunch of different cheap LED headlights--and as I've
    seen it, you're almost always better off buying a light that used one
    LED set in a proper reflector than you are buying a light that used 5,
    10 or 30 LEDs each with a little plastic convex lens in front of each
    one. A bunch of LEDs with little crappy frontal lenses won't cast light
    nearly as far as one LED in a good reflector will.

    The Cateye EL500 and EL530 are both 1-LED lights.
    I have some of both, mostly the older 500's. The 530 is a different beam
    shape, a tight round spot (roughly the same brightness as the older 500)
    but with brighter side-spill. I prefer the 500's beam, which used an
    inner cone to spread the central beam out horizontally.
    ~

  13. Greens said:


    I've got inch and a half wide reflective strips for my ankles and a
    reflective strip on one side of a frame bag. I don't know what's up with
    that. You'd think they'd put the reflective on both sides of the bag. I do
    want to get more lights. If you're going to be crazy enough to go out at
    night, you better be visible. The manufacturers always make a big deal out
    of the tiny reflective bits they put on clothes and shoes....

    I don't describe night riding as "crazy." It's unusual, but only
    because most Americans use the evening to enlarge their butts in front
    of their TV or in their car. Unusual isn't crazy.

    If you're worried about being seen, you should _definitely_ perform a
    test. Get a friend to ride your bike at night while you observe from
    a passing car. To be thorough, do the observation test at different
    angles and in different lighting conditions. I've done this several
    times with various cyclists (mostly as part of "night riding
    workshops" I arranged for our bike club). We've consistently found
    that a bike with a reasonable set of lights and reflectors is very,
    very visible - more noticeable at night than in daylight, in fact.

    Moving reflectors help a lot, and they don't have to be large.
    There's a psychological effect at work, causing people to notice
    motion, especially motion occurring in a "human" way - like your pedal
    reflectors moving alternately up and down.

    Regarding headlights: First, if you're being blinded by oncoming cars
    for 5 to 10 seconds, you're looking in the wrong place. You should be
    on the right side of the road; the oncoming cars should be on the
    opposite side. Don't stare at them. In fact, you got an excellent
    tip about using a cap with a visor to block their glare. Try it.
    Alternately, if a yahoo motorist insists on high beams, close one of
    your eyes to preserve its night vision until he passes.

    There is no need to have a headlight as bright as a car's. Those are
    designed for moving at 50 mph. And I don't think there's much need to
    see how deep a pothole is! If you see one, ride around it, not
    through it!

    As others on this list know, I'm a fan of good quality generator
    lights. I find them to be much less hassle than any battery light,
    and I find that they give much better vision than most battery lights
    (again, as demonstrated in our club's night rides). In those parts of
    the world where bikes are actually used a lot at night, generators are
    almost universal. They're about as reliable as your car's lights, and
    decent ones take very little energy to run.

    Unfortunately, they're a bit hard to find in the US. If you're
    interested, here are some sources, listed in increasing order of price
    and quality. (These guys are frequent contributors to this discussion
    group).

    http://www.yellowjersey.org/dynamos.html

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/lighting/shimano.html

    http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp

    There are other American sources, of course; and overseas sources,
    like St. John's Street Cycles in Britain have very wide selections,
    and are as easy to buy from as, say, Nashbar.

    - Frank Krygowski

  14. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Greens said:


    I've got inch and a half wide reflective strips for my ankles and a
    reflective strip on one side of a frame bag. I don't know what's up with
    that. You'd think they'd put the reflective on both sides of the bag. I
    do
    want to get more lights. If you're going to be crazy enough to go out at
    night, you better be visible. The manufacturers always make a big deal
    out
    of the tiny reflective bits they put on clothes and shoes....

    I don't describe night riding as "crazy." It's unusual, but only
    because most Americans use the evening to enlarge their butts in front
    of their TV or in their car. Unusual isn't crazy.

    If you're worried about being seen, you should _definitely_ perform a
    test. Get a friend to ride your bike at night while you observe from
    a passing car. To be thorough, do the observation test at different
    angles and in different lighting conditions. I've done this several
    times with various cyclists (mostly as part of "night riding
    workshops" I arranged for our bike club). We've consistently found
    that a bike with a reasonable set of lights and reflectors is very,
    very visible - more noticeable at night than in daylight, in fact.

    Moving reflectors help a lot, and they don't have to be large.
    There's a psychological effect at work, causing people to notice
    motion, especially motion occurring in a "human" way - like your pedal
    reflectors moving alternately up and down.

    Regarding headlights: First, if you're being blinded by oncoming cars
    for 5 to 10 seconds, you're looking in the wrong place. You should be
    on the right side of the road; the oncoming cars should be on the
    opposite side. Don't stare at them. In fact, you got an excellent
    tip about using a cap with a visor to block their glare. Try it.
    Alternately, if a yahoo motorist insists on high beams, close one of
    your eyes to preserve its night vision until he passes.

    There is no need to have a headlight as bright as a car's. Those are
    designed for moving at 50 mph. And I don't think there's much need to
    see how deep a pothole is! If you see one, ride around it, not
    through it!

    As others on this list know, I'm a fan of good quality generator
    lights. I find them to be much less hassle than any battery light,
    and I find that they give much better vision than most battery lights
    (again, as demonstrated in our club's night rides). In those parts of
    the world where bikes are actually used a lot at night, generators are
    almost universal. They're about as reliable as your car's lights, and
    decent ones take very little energy to run.

    Unfortunately, they're a bit hard to find in the US. If you're
    interested, here are some sources, listed in increasing order of price
    and quality. (These guys are frequent contributors to this discussion
    group).

    http://www.yellowjersey.org/dynamos.html

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/lighting/shimano.html

    http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp

    There are other American sources, of course; and overseas sources,
    like St. John's Street Cycles in Britain have very wide selections,
    and are as easy to buy from as, say, Nashbar.

    - Frank Krygowski

    I thought the same thing about doing a test, but so far I've only tested by
    rolling past store windows. My tailight shows up nicely. I love this
    taillight led blinky from cateye.
    http://store.valueweb.com/poweron/catalog/LDT1000%20Taillight_thumb.jpg
    The ten lights flash in rapid sequence going from side to side and the
    lights on the ends can be seen from the side. I think there might be a
    problem with telling how far away I am with these though. I noticed it
    myself when I came upon a bicycle with the same system. The pattern does
    appear to change when you get close, but I'm not sure that gives the
    motorist enough info soon enough. At no time does it make you look like a
    person. It doesn't give the scale of person. That would be the best thing
    for letting motorists know how far away you are.

  15. buy five
    mount one on front bar, one each side, one rear, one hung from neck on
    upper back.
    that's the problem and solution.
    and use a white t-shirt.
    see Campmor.com, men's performance T's varitec.

  16. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Greens wrote:
    >> I've been riding my bike at night. I have a cateye 5 led headlamp
    >> powered
    >> by 4 AA batteries. It casts a beam a long ways, probably about 150
    >> feet.
    >> The beam is pretty narrow though and it's not anywhere near as bright
    >> as
    >> a car headlight. On a dark road with no cars, I can see pretty well.
    >> Potholes show up as black, but I don't really know how deep they are.
    >> The
    >> cateye just doesn't light them up enough. The narrow, focused beam
    >> also
    >> doesn't let me see things to the right, left, below and above very
    >> well.
    >> Basically it's a big dot of light way up ahead the way I've got it
    >> aimed
    >> right now. If I aim it down more, it'll be an even more narrow dot,
    >> but
    >> I'll probably get more info about the depth of holes and cracks. A
    >> disadvantage of the narrow beam is that it's easy to hit your head on
    >> a
    >> protruding branch on a trail. That's happened already.
    >> I know there are halogen bulbs for bikes with huge, rechargeable
    >> batteries. They're lots more expensive, about $200 as opposed to my
    >> cateye which is only $35 or so. Are those halogens bright enough that
    >> when a car comes by I won't totally get blinded by the contrast in
    >> light
    >> intensity like I do with the cateye. If I look right at a car right
    >> now,
    >> I won't be able to see for about 5 seconds with the cateye.
    >> It would be nice if these light manufacturers mentioned little details
    >> like the blinding effect when your lamp isn't as bright as auto
    >> lights.
    >> All they do is talk about how bright their lights are. In the case of
    >> this cateye, I don't believe it would pass reasonable regulations if
    >> there were any. It's a nice flashlight but not roadworthy. You'll know
    >> about some of the potholes. Most people will want to know about all
    >> the
    >> potholes. I can't imagine anybody would want to ride blind for 5 or 10
    >> seconds at a stretch.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "A Muzi" <[email hidden]> wrote
    > There are plenty of decent lights between $15 and $200. For example
    > Cygo
    > 12W (dual beam 6+6 wide and narrow)$60. Stop at any competent LBS and
    > test
    > a few light sets next to your Cateye. You'll be impressed I think.
    > And yes do try to look aside as the car passes, just as you would on a
    > car
    > or motorcycle to lessen the annoying eye aperture change times.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Greens said:

    Unfortunately, I'm many miles from a competent LBS. At least I think I
    am.
    I don't really know what an LBS is. I bought the cateye from an internet
    catalog. It was in one of the big mail order bike shops. I wish they'd
    been
    a little more informative on the Cateye's drawbacks.

    Quoted message said:

    "bluezfolk" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I think that no matter how bright your light is you'll still be
    temporarilly blinded by oncoming automibiles. Have you given any
    thought to using 2 headlights aimed at differing elevations?

    Greens said:

    Yes, I have. The cateye only comes with one mount though and it's on my
    girlfriend's bike. (she doesn't do much night riding). If I had another
    mount, I'd pop her headlight off and put it on my bike at a lower angle so
    I'd have a sharper view of the road. Maybe they'd be willing to send me
    another mount at an outrageous price.

    A common request. Any competent LBS will have replacement/second bike
    light mounts for various years/brands/models of lights. Cheap $3 to $8
    mostly. "Second Bike" kits for Cateye computers are similarly available.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  17. Quoted message said:

    "datakoll" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    wear a baseball cap. always bring a baseball cap.
    then try shooters' yellow clipon's from 'yorketowne optical' in
    Emigsville
    buy two cateyes, three! there's no law ya only mount one cateye.
    be creative-get a strobe
    i look like the eclectic cyclist with 5 yellow blinkies, one red oval
    rear, a wal red rear, an cateye headlamp. the occasional drunk comes
    out to cheer me onward! the cops think this is really cool and
    everyone is unbearably srupid about this.

    Greens said:

    I've got inch and a half wide reflective strips for my ankles and a
    reflective strip on one side of a frame bag. I don't know what's up with
    that. You'd think they'd put the reflective on both sides of the bag. I do
    want to get more lights. If you're going to be crazy enough to go out at
    night, you better be visible. The manufacturers always make a big deal out
    of the tiny reflective bits they put on clothes and shoes. Everybody talks
    about visibility, but nobody does much. You have to add everything on for
    yourself. My helmet, which I purchased at a bike shop is... black. Am I
    trying to look dignified or invisible? No bright colors were available.
    There's no place to attach a headlamp on the helmet unless they make special
    lights for slotted helmets.

    Some things I've noticed - I go out after midnight. I think it might be
    safer than in the day. Many fewer cars and with lights you draw attention
    from a long way off. Drivers have a lot of distractions during the day.
    Fewer cars is just pure heaven. Cooler temperatures are nice in the summer
    too.

    Light mounts for both headlamps and red blinkies are available for most
    (not all) light systems. See any competent LBS. Planet sells a red
    blinky with helmet mount (model #3010 BRT-3H) and a four-LED headlamp
    with helmet mount (model #3028 SportSpot) among many others. Cygo offers
    various helmet kits (longer wire and quick-off mount) for their range
    as well. Dealers with these product lines will usually have the helmet
    options as well.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  18. Greens said:

    It would be nice if these light manufacturers mentioned little details like
    the blinding effect when your lamp isn't as bright as auto lights. All they
    do is talk about how bright their lights are. In the case of this cateye, I
    don't believe it would pass reasonable regulations if there were any. It's a
    nice flashlight but not roadworthy. You'll know about some of the potholes.
    Most people will want to know about all the potholes. I can't imagine
    anybody would want to ride blind for 5 or 10 seconds at a stretch.


    I was on a contraflow cycle path half an hour ago and got flashed by a
    Mercedes driver who thought I was blinding him. With a 3 watt Schmidt
    dynamo headlamp :-/

    The way to go for serious lighting of those potholes is a HID
    rechargeable system from Lupine or Lumicycle, but they cost $$$.

  19. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Greens said:

    I've got inch and a half wide reflective strips for my ankles and a
    reflective strip on one side of a frame bag. I don't know what's up with
    that. You'd think they'd put the reflective on both sides of the bag. I
    do
    want to get more lights. If you're going to be crazy enough to go out at
    night, you better be visible. The manufacturers always make a big deal
    out
    of the tiny reflective bits they put on clothes and shoes....

    Quoted message said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote


    I don't describe night riding as "crazy." It's unusual, but only

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    because most Americans use the evening to enlarge their butts in front
    of their TV or in their car. Unusual isn't crazy.
    If you're worried about being seen, you should _definitely_ perform a
    test. Get a friend to ride your bike at night while you observe from
    a passing car. To be thorough, do the observation test at different
    angles and in different lighting conditions. I've done this several
    times with various cyclists (mostly as part of "night riding
    workshops" I arranged for our bike club). We've consistently found
    that a bike with a reasonable set of lights and reflectors is very,
    very visible - more noticeable at night than in daylight, in fact.

    Moving reflectors help a lot, and they don't have to be large.
    There's a psychological effect at work, causing people to notice
    motion, especially motion occurring in a "human" way - like your pedal
    reflectors moving alternately up and down.

    Regarding headlights: First, if you're being blinded by oncoming cars
    for 5 to 10 seconds, you're looking in the wrong place. You should be
    on the right side of the road; the oncoming cars should be on the
    opposite side. Don't stare at them. In fact, you got an excellent
    tip about using a cap with a visor to block their glare. Try it.
    Alternately, if a yahoo motorist insists on high beams, close one of
    your eyes to preserve its night vision until he passes.

    There is no need to have a headlight as bright as a car's. Those are
    designed for moving at 50 mph. And I don't think there's much need to
    see how deep a pothole is! If you see one, ride around it, not
    through it!

    As others on this list know, I'm a fan of good quality generator
    lights. I find them to be much less hassle than any battery light,
    and I find that they give much better vision than most battery lights
    (again, as demonstrated in our club's night rides). In those parts of
    the world where bikes are actually used a lot at night, generators are
    almost universal. They're about as reliable as your car's lights, and
    decent ones take very little energy to run.

    Unfortunately, they're a bit hard to find in the US. If you're
    interested, here are some sources, listed in increasing order of price
    and quality. (These guys are frequent contributors to this discussion
    group).

    http://www.yellowjersey.org/dynamos.html

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/lighting/shimano.html

    http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp

    There are other American sources, of course; and overseas sources,
    like St. John's Street Cycles in Britain have very wide selections,
    and are as easy to buy from as, say, Nashbar.

    Greens said:

    I thought the same thing about doing a test, but so far I've only tested by
    rolling past store windows. My tailight shows up nicely. I love this
    taillight led blinky from cateye.
    http://store.valueweb.com/poweron/catalog/LDT1000%20Taillight_thumb.jpg
    The ten lights flash in rapid sequence going from side to side and the
    lights on the ends can be seen from the side. I think there might be a
    problem with telling how far away I am with these though. I noticed it
    myself when I came upon a bicycle with the same system. The pattern does
    appear to change when you get close, but I'm not sure that gives the
    motorist enough info soon enough. At no time does it make you look like a
    person. It doesn't give the scale of person. That would be the best thing
    for letting motorists know how far away you are.

    Take Frank's advice about an actual at-night test with another rider on
    your bike, possibly with you in a car, headlights on, while he rides
    past at various angles and distances.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  20. Home Depot sells or sold the 300 cateye as a flashlight.
    nooooo reson not to munt twp cateyes one for 'distance'
    one for potholes.
    foolin' with the distance (up and down adjustment) you'll find cateye
    designed focal lens and lumens together with you in mind.
    the hot setup is one on the forks near the front axle and one (or two)
    on the bars for interferometry.

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