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  1. http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/wellbeing/story/0,,2226678,00.html

    My first, autodidactic lessons in bicycle maintenance were not happy
    occasions. One issue, granted, was not having the right tools. Using a
    pair of rusty pliers from my dad's motley collection at the back of the
    garage, I would try to manipulate the locknut after fitting a new brake
    cable. First, I nicely rounded the edges of the nut, which seemed to be
    made of a metal only slightly harder than marzipan. Then, since to get a
    grip on the nut to tighten it I now had to use all my strength, the bolt
    simply sheared off - leaving its broken end snug in the thus completely
    unserviceable brake caliper.

    The real problem, of course, was not the lack of a full set of
    bike-specific spanners, but having a bike with such cheap and
    ill-manufactured parts that it defied efforts to maintain it. There is a
    reason you see people on crummy bikes riding around with gears and
    brakes that don't work, and it's not indigence, slothfulness or
    incompetence on their part. These are bikes you cannot mend yourself;
    take them into a shop and any self-respecting mechanic will most likely
    refuse to fix them too. So you might as well ride your semi-functional
    piece of scrap around until it fails completely or - better luck - some
    misguided or desperate person steals it and relieves you of the aggravation.

    Like as not, untold millions of these hopelessly inadequate
    bike-simulacra are filling space in people's sheds, garages and lofts.
    Unloved, neglected, no longer working, but too substantial-seeming to
    throw out. Britain is not, pace Napoleon, a nation of shopkeepers, but a
    nation of [censored] bicycle-keepers. You think "millions" an exaggeration?
    According to the UK industry body the Bicycle Association, we bought
    4.5m bikes in 2004 (the last year for which figures are available). How
    many of these would you bet on being still roadworthy?

    I say "bikes"; in reality, we are talking of the dreaded "bicycle-shaped
    object", or BSO. As trade webzine Bikebiz points out, Mintel research in
    2001 found that the average price of an adult bicycle was £107 - which,
    despite EU anti-dumping rules against cheap Chinese and Vietnamese
    imports being in force since 2000, is likely to be as low as £80 now.
    Although there is plenty of research that shows how, say, bicycle theft
    or the perception that roads are unsafe deters people from cycling, I
    have never come across any about how truly trashy hardware puts them
    off. Yet I am convinced that the BSO is one of the great menaces of our age.

    It would be easy to blame the big chains such as Halfords for inflicting
    it on the British public, but that's too easy. For one thing, its
    400-plus stores account for only a quarter of the market; independent
    bike dealers represent a third - the majority of which sell their fair
    share of BSOs. And Halfords' internal franchise Bikehut now stocks
    "real" bicycle-shaped bicycles, with high-end brands such as Boardman,
    Van Nicholas and Condor.

    Who is the culprit, then? Unfortunately, it is us, the consumers. When
    we shop for flatscreen TVs, game consoles and MP3 players, we pay
    hundreds and rightly expect excellence. But, when we're buying a bike,
    somehow our mentality morphs into one that delights in buying a
    "bargain" lot of nylon knickers at a street market stall.

    Perhaps, all too often, it's because we're buying for our kids and we
    figure they won't know the difference. But they soon will. What we need
    to remember is that a bicycle is not just for Christmas.

  2. A Muzi said:
    David L. Johnson said:
    A Muzi said:

    seem odd that $1000 for a television or $400 for a monthly car
    payment is generally viewed as 'reasonable', $300 for a bicycle is not.

    Wait, I'm confused. $100 for a TV is reasonable, not $1000. Although
    even 50 years ago, when my father bought one of the first color sets,
    he paid $400.

    Quoted message said:

    Tourists are heard often to exclaim in our shop "Look at that! Three
    Hundred Dollars for a Bicycle!!!" (we keep those near the front door).

    Now I'm really confused. $300 for a bike is cheap. You want to keep
    "tourists" out of your shop, put a $6000 bike by the door. Well, not
    too close to the door.

    In the contect of BSOs, which retail at $50, I meant that a quality bike
    for $279 is quite a shocking leap for most people.


    ==========
    That's why anyone shouldn't be surprised
    to find out that a thief will try to
    sell a Madone for a $100. In the
    thief's mind, a bike at the max would
    only cost $300.

  3. fortunes have been made, trying to make
    a diamond out of goats ass.

  4. Where you went wrong on your rant is in this sentence:

    "These are bikes you cannot mend yourself; take them into a shop and any
    self-respecting mechanic will most likely refuse to fix them too. "

    That's just rubbish. Bike shops make a lot of money off of fixing these
    cheap bikes. They like to see those bikes come through the door.

    Pat in TX

  5. Pat said:

    Where you went wrong on your rant is in this sentence:

    Not Vey's rant - it's that of the author of the article linked at the
    top of the posting.

  6. -snip vey's BSO diatribe-

    Pat said:

    Where you went wrong on your rant is in this sentence:
    "These are bikes you cannot mend yourself; take them into a shop and any
    self-respecting mechanic will most likely refuse to fix them too. "
    That's just rubbish. Bike shops make a lot of money off of fixing these
    cheap bikes. They like to see those bikes come through the door.

    Maybe, but it varies.

    There's a shop owner in this area who refuses discount-store BSOs entry
    as a group, not even tire changes. Some sell only 'tune-up packages', a
    virtual ban for BSOs.

    You're right that most shops treat them no differently from any other
    bike in for service. Vey could probably cite a counterexample.

    Here, we sometimes reconnect brakes or reattach handlebars or unbend
    bent gear changers or true-by-knee or similar at no charge, as the lack
    of a service charge lowers the emotional level when it breaks again, in
    a new and refreshing way, tomorrow.

    Much though we span the full gamut of products (and product quality)
    here, vey makes a point that the lowest level of current Chinese BSOs
    really can be virtually irreparable after a few month's normal use. I'm
    wan to assign 'blame' for that, it's just the world we have today. Does
    seem odd that $1000 for a television or $400 for a monthly car payment
    is generally viewed as 'reasonable', $300 for a bicycle is not. Tourists
    are heard often to exclaim in our shop "Look at that! Three Hundred
    Dollars for a Bicycle!!!" (we keep those near the front door).
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  7. A Muzi said:

    seem odd that $1000 for a television or $400 for a monthly car payment
    is generally viewed as 'reasonable', $300 for a bicycle is not.

    Wait, I'm confused. $100 for a TV is reasonable, not $1000. Although
    even 50 years ago, when my father bought one of the first color sets, he
    paid $400.

    Quoted message said:

    Tourists
    are heard often to exclaim in our shop "Look at that! Three Hundred
    Dollars for a Bicycle!!!" (we keep those near the front door).

    Now I'm really confused. $300 for a bike is cheap. You want to keep
    "tourists" out of your shop, put a $6000 bike by the door. Well, not
    too close to the door.

    --

    David L. Johnson

    "What am I on? I'm on my bike, six hours a day, busting my ass.
    What are you on?"
    --Lance Armstrong

  8. David L. Johnson said:
    A Muzi said:

    seem odd that $1000 for a television or $400 for a monthly car payment
    is generally viewed as 'reasonable', $300 for a bicycle is not.

    Wait, I'm confused. $100 for a TV is reasonable, not $1000. Although
    even 50 years ago, when my father bought one of the first color sets, he
    paid $400.

    Quoted message said:

    Tourists are heard often to exclaim in our shop "Look at that! Three
    Hundred Dollars for a Bicycle!!!" (we keep those near the front door).

    Now I'm really confused. $300 for a bike is cheap. You want to keep
    "tourists" out of your shop, put a $6000 bike by the door. Well, not
    too close to the door.

    In the contect of BSOs, which retail at $50, I meant that a quality bike
    for $279 is quite a shocking leap for most people.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  9. A Muzi said:
    David L. Johnson said:

    A Muzi wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    seem odd that $1000 for a television or $400 for a monthly car payment
    is generally viewed as 'reasonable', $300 for a bicycle is not.

    Quoted message said:

    Wait, I'm confused. $100 for a TV is reasonable, not $1000. Although
    even 50 years ago, when my father bought one of the first color sets, he
    paid $400.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Tourists are heard often to exclaim in our shop "Look at that! Three
    Hundred Dollars for a Bicycle!!!" (we keep those near the front door).

    Quoted message said:

    Now I'm really confused. $300 for a bike is cheap. You want to keep
    "tourists" out of your shop, put a $6000 bike by the door. Well, not
    too close to the door.

    In the contect of BSOs, which retail at $50, I meant that a quality bike
    for $279 is quite a shocking leap for most people.

    My boss is a millionaire.

    Not just a millionaire but a multi-millionaire.

    In fact, I've got no idea how much money my boss has other than
    buckets and buckets of lots of money in whichever currency you feel
    like calculating it in.

    When I first started working for him he asked me to someday help him
    buy a bike. We've never gotten around to doing it because I suggested
    he start in the 4000rmb range (about US $500).

    I've seen him spend more than that on a single business dinner. His
    habit of meetings running over into lunch time and taking the entire
    office out to eat means that I've personally eaten more than that on
    his dime. With people he wasn't trying to impress who he was taking
    out for his idea of cheap food.

    But the suggestion that he spend any kind of real money on a bike for
    him, his wife, or his kids, has consistently been met with extreme
    resistance. I haven't even taken him to the bike shop yet because of
    this. Because I've seen the kids' bikes. Rusting in the foyer.
    Unrideable. Unrideable before the tires went flat from neglect. The
    best of the bunch was 200rmb new. I know that bike. I know that
    kid. I spent almost that much on a small gift for that particular kid
    before he went back to Germany for school.

    He can pick up my bike with one finger and exclaim how light it is.
    He brags about my on bike accomplishments more than I do. An integral
    part of his worldview of me is "the girl with the bike" and the
    version of me that is presented to everyone in business long before I
    meet them is "the girl bike racer," "the girl with the friends on Team
    China," so much so that not a single one of my Beijing colleagues (who
    I had never met before) was the slightest bit surprised to discover I
    had taken my bike with me on a business trip 'just in case'.

    I can get him into a meeting with a team to discuss a potential
    sponsorship deal but I can't convince him that if he wants to start
    exercising and wants to own a bike he has to start with something
    that, at a bare minimum, costs more than the lunch buffet at the
    Sheraton.

    -M

  10. Andrew Muzi said:
    David L. Johnson said:
    A Muzi said:

    seem odd that $1000 for a television or $400 for a monthly car
    payment is generally viewed as 'reasonable', $300 for a bicycle is not.

    Wait, I'm confused. $100 for a TV is reasonable, not $1000. Although
    even 50 years ago, when my father bought one of the first color sets,
    he paid $400.

    Quoted message said:

    Tourists are heard often to exclaim in our shop "Look at that! Three
    Hundred Dollars for a Bicycle!!!" (we keep those near the front door).

    Now I'm really confused. $300 for a bike is cheap. You want to keep
    "tourists" out of your shop, put a $6000 bike by the door. Well, not
    too close to the door.

    In the contect of BSOs, which retail at $50, I meant that a quality bike
    for $279 is quite a shocking leap for most people.

    I think one month net wage is a reasonable price to pay for a excellent
    bicycle, two weeks net wages for a merely good bicycle, and one week net
    wage for an adequate bicycle.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    "Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
    differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
    excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

  11. Pat said:

    Where you went wrong on your rant is in this sentence:

    "These are bikes you cannot mend yourself; take them into a shop and any
    self-respecting mechanic will most likely refuse to fix them too. "

    That's just rubbish. Bike shops make a lot of money off of fixing these
    cheap bikes. They like to see those bikes come through the door.

    But many owners won't pay half the price of the bike again to have it
    fixed.

    The usual procedure is just to carry on riding it. Some gear or other
    will probably still turn. Sometimes a few spokes will break in the back
    wheel. The more mechanically-minded owner spots that the brake pads have
    started rubbing on the now-flailing rim and so disconnects the rear
    V-brake noodle, solving the problem.

    Some problems are lack of maintenance and mechanical sympathy and not
    strictly entirely the fault of the bike. Derailleurs that cheap and
    nasty are hard to adjust right, and easily get snagged, particularly if
    changing under load, or while backpedalling, and with a well-rusted
    chain. When the inevitable happens the thing not to do is stomp on the
    pedals in frustration because that bends everything.

    Derailleur systems actually have to be quite expensive before they're
    even reasonably idiot-proof. The ones on BSOs don't stand a chance with
    the people most likely to buy such machines.

  12. Around where I live the only kids bikes for sale are BSOs. It's
    recently got worse since now all the BSOs have suspension as well!

    M

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Mark said:

    Around where I live the only kids bikes for sale are BSOs. It's
    recently got worse since now all the BSOs have suspension as well!

    M

    The best antidote for that is probably the BMX, for kids young enough to
    stand 'em. The next best thing is to find the shortest 40 year-old in
    your neighborhood, and ask if they have a mountain bike in their garage
    that is at least 15 years old. That puts you squarely into the rigid (or
    at worst, front suspension) era.

    The situation is dire enough that when a clubmate's cycling-crazed
    youngster started demanding a road bike, the only solution was to take a
    20" kids MTB, add a rigid fork, and turn it into the tiniest cyclocross
    bike ever, complete with brifters.

    Tough bikes for aggro kids,

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
    Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

  14. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    "These are bikes you cannot mend yourself; take them into a shop and any
    self-respecting mechanic will most likely refuse to fix them too. "

    That's just rubbish. Bike shops make a lot of money off of fixing these
    cheap bikes. They like to see those bikes come through the door.

    But many owners won't pay half the price of the bike again to have it
    fixed.

    Yeah, you're right about the owners of the bike. But, he is was going with
    one of those "I had no choice!" statements that I spot as the easy excuse
    for people who don't want to take any responsibility by blaming things on
    some "self-respecting mechanic".

  15. Ryan Cousineau said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Mark said:

    Around where I live the only kids bikes for sale are BSOs. It's
    recently got worse since now all the BSOs have suspension as well!

    Quoted message said:

    M

    The best antidote for that is probably the BMX, for kids young enough to
    stand 'em. The next best thing is to find the shortest 40 year-old in
    your neighborhood, and ask if they have a mountain bike in their garage
    that is at least 15 years old. That puts you squarely into the rigid (or
    at worst, front suspension) era.

    The situation is dire enough that when a clubmate's cycling-crazed
    youngster started demanding a road bike, the only solution was to take a
    20" kids MTB, add a rigid fork, and turn it into the tiniest cyclocross
    bike ever, complete with brifters.

    Tough bikes for aggro kids,

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden]://www.wiredcola.com/
    "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
    Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

    Wow. I have not paid attention in a while, but last time I looked
    there were real kids bikes at the bike shops. The problem is that
    they had 3 digit price tags, so most parents I know went to Wal-Mart
    where "the same damn thing" costs $35. My best friends older son is
    almost bike age, I'll have to see what the deal is. He's a hardcore
    BMXer, though not really riding much anymore, so he won't want a BST
    for his kid.

    I recently rescued a bike from the trash in my parents area, a child's
    pink Diamond Back, and gave it to one of the less fortunate kids on my
    street. When I was tuning it up before I gave it away, I noticed the
    bike shop sticker. The bike came from Two For The Road in Georgetown,
    MA - My LBS growing up until they went out of business in the 90's.
    Total nostalgia. Anyway, the bike was still going strong last time I
    saw it, though it's currently under almost a foot of snow and will
    likely sit until next spring. I hope the kid doesn't trash it when
    she gets a shiny new BST for xmas or in the spring, but she probably
    will. Damn shame, it's a nice bike for a kids bike, and until I have
    it to them it was always garaged. Now it's covered in snow. Sad,
    really.

    The kids have no idea to take care of their things, or earn things, no
    concept of value. Everything is handed to them, and everything is
    handed to their parents, their primary roll model. Nothing is their
    fault, they're always the victim, etc. I work 45 Hours a week, and
    the kids all think it's "insane" and "crazy" that I "work all the
    time". They also think it's "nuts" that we actually bought our house,
    and as such have no landlord. In their world you stay at home, slack
    off, maybe go to school or work a part-time job that brings in minimal
    extra cash, and everything takes care of itself. The homeowners next
    doors to us, one of the few in the area, have also been deemed insane
    because they both work full time too. Apparently sometime when I
    wasn't looking working for a living went out of style. Hm... whole
    'nother rant here...

  16. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Ryan Cousineau said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Mark said:

    Around where I live the only kids bikes for sale are BSOs. It's
    recently got worse since now all the BSOs have suspension as well!

    Quoted message said:

    M

    The best antidote for that is probably the BMX, for kids young enough to
    stand 'em. The next best thing is to find the shortest 40 year-old in
    your neighborhood, and ask if they have a mountain bike in their garage
    that is at least 15 years old. That puts you squarely into the rigid (or
    at worst, front suspension) era.

    The situation is dire enough that when a clubmate's cycling-crazed
    youngster started demanding a road bike, the only solution was to take a
    20" kids MTB, add a rigid fork, and turn it into the tiniest cyclocross
    bike ever, complete with brifters.

    Tough bikes for aggro kids,

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden]://www.wiredcola.com/
    "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
    Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

    Wow. I have not paid attention in a while, but last time I looked
    there were real kids bikes at the bike shops. The problem is that
    they had 3 digit price tags, so most parents I know went to Wal-Mart
    where "the same damn thing" costs $35. My best friends older son is
    almost bike age, I'll have to see what the deal is. He's a hardcore
    BMXer, though not really riding much anymore, so he won't want a BST
    for his kid.

    I recently rescued a bike from the trash in my parents area, a child's
    pink Diamond Back, and gave it to one of the less fortunate kids on my
    street. When I was tuning it up before I gave it away, I noticed the
    bike shop sticker. The bike came from Two For The Road in Georgetown,
    MA - My LBS growing up until they went out of business in the 90's.
    Total nostalgia. Anyway, the bike was still going strong last time I
    saw it, though it's currently under almost a foot of snow and will
    likely sit until next spring. I hope the kid doesn't trash it when
    she gets a shiny new BST for xmas or in the spring, but she probably
    will. Damn shame, it's a nice bike for a kids bike, and until I have
    it to them it was always garaged. Now it's covered in snow. Sad,
    really.

    The kids have no idea to take care of their things, or earn things, no
    concept of value. Everything is handed to them, and everything is
    handed to their parents, their primary roll model. Nothing is their
    fault, they're always the victim, etc. I work 45 Hours a week, and
    the kids all think it's "insane" and "crazy" that I "work all the
    time". They also think it's "nuts" that we actually bought our house,
    and as such have no landlord. In their world you stay at home, slack
    off, maybe go to school or work a part-time job that brings in minimal
    extra cash, and everything takes care of itself. The homeowners next
    doors to us, one of the few in the area, have also been deemed insane
    because they both work full time too. Apparently sometime when I
    wasn't looking working for a living went out of style. Hm... whole
    'nother rant here...

    While we're on the topic of "why can't they be like we were, perfect in
    every way" I must relate my own experience of kids and bikes. The 14 year
    old son of a good friend who lives across the road was very impressed by my
    Greenspeed GT3 trike. I don't use it much because a medical condition I
    thought would make an upright difficult for long rides improved outa sight.
    I offered this kid a deal. He gets to ride it on weekends and at the end of
    twelve months it becomes his if he submits to me one weekly book report of
    300 words or an essay of similar length on a topic set by me. Additionally,
    he must attend a monthly bike repair and maintenance class run by me.
    This deal was rejected so he mustn't like the Greenspeed that much after
    all. I'd have thought that fifty book reports at twenty cents a word was
    outstanding pay. At the end of twelve months he could have sold the
    Greenspeed and bought a whole [censored] of mindless and repetitive video
    games but his idea of deferred gratification seems to be getting something
    in ten minutes time rather than instantly.
    A little while ago, his BSO had a mangled chainwheel and I had to stand over
    him with a whip and force him to fit a much better quality used crankset
    (supplied by me) himself. He somehow expected that I'd do it for him in
    thirty seconds and then let him take it away with bolts untorqued and
    shifting unadjusted and unlubed. No patience, no concept of finding out how
    things are done and doing it right.

    Anyway, I tried.

    Peter H

  17. Peter Howard said:

    Anyway, I tried.

    I don't waste my time with kids anymore. They know everything, so why
    bother?

  18. vey said:
    Peter Howard said:

    Anyway, I tried.

    I don't waste my time with kids anymore. They know everything, so why
    bother?

    Tell him that the bike is actually a game controller. If he becomes a
    level-five mechanic, he will get to battle cog-dor for the golden
    grease tube. Show him the secret controller moves (call them
    "cheats"😉 -- lubing the chain, tightening a crank bolt, etc. Turn the
    garage lights on and off -- honk the car horn. That will get him
    interested. -- Jay Beattie.

  19. Jay Beattie said:
    vey said:
    Peter Howard said:

    Anyway, I tried.


    I don't waste my time with kids anymore. They know everything, so why
    bother?

    Tell him that the bike is actually a game controller. If he becomes a
    level-five mechanic, he will get to battle cog-dor for the golden
    grease tube. Show him the secret controller moves (call them
    "cheats"😉 -- lubing the chain, tightening a crank bolt, etc. Turn the
    garage lights on and off -- honk the car horn. That will get him
    interested. -- Jay Beattie.

    Jay, you've got the imagination thing down.

  20. aka Dan K? said:

    ...
    The kids have no idea to take care of their things, or earn things, no
    concept of value. Everything is handed to them, and everything is
    handed to their parents, their primary rol[e] model. Nothing is their
    fault, they're always the victim, etc.

    This is why people should grow up poor. Poverty build character.

    If the kids knew that if they lost a toy, clothing or other item of
    value to them due to carelessness, it would not get replaced, they would
    not be such spoiled brats.

    Quoted message said:

    I work 45 Hours a week, and
    the kids all think it's "insane" and "crazy" that I "work all the
    time".

    Why do you only work part-time?

    Quoted message said:

    They also think it's "nuts" that we actually bought our house,
    and as such have no landlord. In their world you stay at home, slack
    off, maybe go to school or work a part-time job that brings in minimal
    extra cash, and everything takes care of itself.

    A great argument for inheritance taxes!

    Quoted message said:

    The homeowners next
    doors to us, one of the few in the area, have also been deemed insane
    because they both work full time too. Apparently sometime when I
    wasn't looking working for a living went out of style. Hm... whole
    'nother rant here...

    A stint in a labor camp would do these people a world of good.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    "Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
    differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
    excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

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