Bike lockers

John Hearns said:

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The best bike lockers I've seen are at the Barnes wetland centre. They are big cages made of hefty
wire mesh (might have that wrong). You put the bike inside and lock with your own D-lock.

There are a few around like this. I once used the ones at Bangor station---giant green 'dog
kennels'---again locked with my own D-lock. These were pretty much solid so that the contents
couldn't be seen. At the time I was touring, having been to Angelsey, and so I had panniers and a
rack pack. With two hours to wait for a train I didn't fancy sitting with it on the station or
carting my panniers around by hand. The locker gave me a chance to go into the town and find a pub
and a meal. If only the pubs in Bangor were as decent as the station bike lockers!

Colin
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Starting a new thread, following from the Big Rant thread today.

The best bike lockers I've seen are at the Barnes wetland centre. They are big cages made of hefty
wire mesh (might have that wrong). You put the bike inside and lock with your own D-lock.

We have a few at the station. At least one [censored] treats it as his own lock up (i.e. locks it empty
when he's not there).

I wish the station staff would wait till he has left his bike, then open it and transfer it to lost
property or leave it in the car park with a big sign saying I used to belong to a selfish [censored],
new home wanted.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

T

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Starting a new thread, following from the Big Rant thread today.

The best bike lockers I've seen are at the Barnes wetland centre. They are big cages made of hefty
wire mesh (might have that wrong). You put the bike inside and lock with your own D-lock.

These are pretty good. You lock them with a padlock though, a standard D-lock does not fit.

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If only the pubs in Bangor were as decent as the station bike lockers!

Didn't you have a luvverly time?

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Tony W said:

We have a few at the station. At least one [censored] treats it as his own lock up (i.e. locks it
empty when he's not there).

Yeah, this seems to be the main drawback with these lockers. Great idea, nobbled by
selfish halfwits.

All the bike cages I've seen are accompanied by stern signs which insist that locks on empty cages
will be cropped off, but I've never seen any evidence of this happening.

Anyone know of a local council/stationmaster that actually enforces this policy?

Actually, thinking about it, it would probably be very difficult to crop many of them. Good modern D
locks seem to be pretty much immune to bolt croppers, hacksaws and even disc cutters, and calling
out the fire brigade every other day seems a bit extreme.
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If only the pubs in Bangor were as decent as the station bike lockers!

Didn't you have a luvverly time?

Reminds me of my mate who went there for the racing - he hadn't realised the racecourse was at
Bangor on Dee.
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All the bike cages I've seen are accompanied by stern signs which insist that locks on empty cages
will be cropped off, but I've never seen any evidence of this happening.

Haven't even seen any of these but the potential for abuse is so obvious that such rules ought to
exist and be enforced rigourously.

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Anyone know of a local council/stationmaster that actually enforces this policy?

Actually, thinking about it, it would probably be very difficult to crop many of them. Good modern
D locks seem to be pretty much immune to bolt croppers, hacksaws and even disc cutters, and
calling out the fire brigade every other day seems a bit extreme.

Obviously there'd be no question of calling out the fire brigade but I'm sure that a set of
decently large bolt croppers, powered disc cutter etc. would deal with many of them - and the sight
and sound of it happening, the knowledge that it happens and evidence of attack on any locks that
might resist it would still deter those who do it from doing it again. A good lock can be an
expensive thing to lose.

Rich

Richard Goodman said:

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Actually, thinking about it, it would probably be very difficult to crop many of them. Good
modern D locks seem to be pretty much immune to bolt croppers, hacksaws and even disc cutters,
and calling out the fire brigade every other day seems a bit extreme.

Obviously there'd be no question of calling out the fire brigade but I'm sure that a set of
decently large bolt croppers, powered disc cutter etc. would deal with many of them

I'd have thought so too, but I've quite often read in lock security tests/reviews that good locks
have resisted this kind of attack very effectively. I'm pretty sceptical myself and am sorely
tempted to attack my D lock with the Stihl saw just to see for myself. Of course, there is an
obvious downside to that experiment...

I suppose that many of the locks used on these cages would be bog standard cheapo steel ones and
probably would succumb to a great long set of croppers.
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Richard Goodman said:

Obviously there'd be no question of calling out the fire brigade but I'm sure that a set of
decently large bolt croppers, powered disc cutter etc. would deal with many of them - and the
sight and sound of it happening, the knowledge that it happens and evidence of attack on any locks
that might resist it would still deter those who do it from doing it again. A good lock can be an
expensive thing to lose.

Rich

A sitmple solution might be to put another lock on while it's empty. I'm sure they would get the
message when they came to use it again and found they couldn't get in.
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A sitmple solution might be to put another lock on while it's empty. I'm sure they would get the
message when they came to use it again and found they couldn't get in.

Better to do it when full -- and then charge a *large* release fee. That would stop the buggers.

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A sitmple solution might be to put another lock on while it's empty. I'm sure they would get the
message when they came to use it again and found they couldn't get in.

Better to do it when full -- and then charge a *large* release fee. That would stop the buggers.

IANAL but this sounds to me like very dodgy legal ground. Isn't it technically extortion?

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A sitmple solution might be to put another lock on while it's empty. I'm sure they would get
the message when they came to use it again and found they couldn't get in.

Better to do it when full -- and then charge a *large* release fee. That would stop the buggers.

IANAL but this sounds to me like very dodgy legal ground. Isn't it technically extortion?

IANAL either but it doesn't sound too different to car clamping vehicles parked on private property
which can be illegal but with adequate signage it seems to stand up legally.

Colin

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IANAL but this sounds to me like very dodgy legal ground. Isn't it technically extortion?

IANAL either but it doesn't sound too different to car clamping vehicles parked on private
property which can be illegal but with adequate signage it seems to stand up legally.

IANAL either -- but I am sure Colin is correct and some means (short of Guy's normal solution
involving goolies and a blunt knife) of enforcement is required.

Since there are only 5 or 6 lockers and since they are available free of charge on a first come,
first served basis it seems unfortunate that honest travellers are denied the facility by
selfish [censored].

Personally, I would prefer to see more such lockers and would not object to paying a small fee
to use them.

T

Colin Blackburn said:

IANAL either but it doesn't sound too different to car clamping vehicles parked on private
property which can be illegal but with adequate signage it seems to stand up legally.

Colin

Only legal clamping in Scotland is done by DVLA for not having a up to date Vehicle Excise Disc.

Allan

"Tony W" wrote ...

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"John Hearns" wrote ...

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The best bike lockers I've seen are at the Barnes wetland centre. They are big cages made of
hefty wire mesh (might have that wrong). You put the bike inside and lock with your own D-lock.

We have a few at the station. At least one [censored] treats it as his own lock up (i.e. locks it
empty when he's not there).

I wish the station staff would wait till he has left his bike, then open

it

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and transfer it to lost property or leave it in the car park with a big

sign

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saying I used to belong to a selfish [censored], new home wanted.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

T

Superglue in the keyhole should satisfy anyone's need for vengeance, especially if the offender's
bike is inside.
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Allan McVie 'amv.2f'@uc(delete)df.gla.ac.uk said:

Only legal clamping in Scotland is done by DVLA for not having a up to date Vehicle Excise Disc.

But presumably that is clamping a vehicle on a public road---if the vehicle is on private property
then it does not have to display a VED disc. I'm referring to clamping on private property, is that
totally illegal in Scotland?

Colin

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Only legal clamping in Scotland is done by DVLA for not having a up to date Vehicle Excise Disc.

But Scottish Law is different. Wasn't there a problem that clamping a car was, in effect, theft
because it deprived the owner of the use of his/her property whereas in English Law you need to
intend to permanently deprive for it to count as theft.

T

Colin Blackburn said:

Allan McVie 'amv.2f'@uc(delete)df.gla.ac.uk said:

Only legal clamping in Scotland is done by DVLA for not having a up to date Vehicle Excise Disc.

But presumably that is clamping a vehicle on a public road---if the vehicle is on private property
then it does not have to display a VED disc. I'm referring to clamping on private property, is
that totally illegal in Scotland? Colin

Yes it is totally illegal to clamp on private property in Scotland. Clamping was started up here at
the same time as in England however someone took a clamping firm to court and IIRC clamping was
classified as theft and obtaining money with menace ( theft in Scotland being defined as depriving
someone use of their property). On Public property only the DVLA can clamp as I assume the vehicle
should not have been on the road in the first place.

Allan

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Only legal clamping in Scotland is done by DVLA for not having a up to date Vehicle Excise Disc.

Why is it that whenever there's a divergence in the law between Scotland and England & Wales,
Scottish law is always better?

Rich