blackburn track pump

"davek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Is £20 for a Blackburn TPS2 track pump a good deal? They
go for about 30 quid normally, yes?

I'm concerned that I struggle to get 90psi with the
Tcheapo pump I bought

a

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while ago but wonder if 120psi would really be that much
easier with a different pump, or is it just because I'm a
wimp with poor arm muscles...

d.

I had a cunning plan when I bought a track pump. I went into
my LBS and asked what they used in the workshop. As it
turned out it was a Beto, I bought one and it does a grand
job - 120 psi no trouble and I'm female and 5' 3" so
probably qualify as a wimp. Blackburn are a reputable make
so it sounds a good deal . The only thing I would add is
that it helps if the guage is at the top of the barrel, not
the base unless of course you have 20 20 vision!

HTH Julia

JBB:

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As it turned out it was a Beto, I bought one and it does a
grand job - 120 psi no trouble and I'm female and 5' 3" so
probably qualify as a wimp.

Sounds good enough to me. There's a Beto that's even cheaper
- claims to be rated up to 160 psi, same as the Blackburn.
TBH, I don't know what the Tcheapo *claims* - the guage goes
up to at least 160psi but they must be having a laugh - the
hose clip blows off at 90psi, and that's assuming the gauge
is accurate, which I'm pretty sure it isn't.

ta,

d.

davek said:

Is £20 for a Blackburn TPS2 track pump a good deal? They
go for about 30 quid normally, yes?

I'm concerned that I struggle to get 90psi with the
Tcheapo pump I bought a while ago but wonder if 120psi
would really be that much easier with a different pump, or
is it just because I'm a wimp with poor arm muscles...

The better the pump, the easier it will be with whatever
strength you have, definitely. I don't know the Blackburn
but, whatever, I recommend going for something that is
"rated" /well/ beyond what you need to make sure that it can
manage what you actually need /comfortably/. I use a 240 psi
Silca Super Pista* for my 130 psi tyres. Easy!

* with a Topeak SmartHead

~PB

"davek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Is £20 for a Blackburn TPS2 track pump a good deal? They
go for about 30 quid normally, yes?

I'm concerned that I struggle to get 90psi with the
Tcheapo pump I bought

a

Quoted message said:

while ago but wonder if 120psi would really be that much
easier with a different pump, or is it just because I'm a
wimp with poor arm muscles...

I wanted a track pump and had a look about. It seems there
were two broad categories, those that did alot more than 120
psi those that did about 120 psi. With corresponding price
tags. I was on a tiny budget, and I needed one that did 120
psi for my road bike, but then more might be useful with
different tyres in future. I went for the Argos one at £8 it
is really good value, it does 120 psi, well my 120 psi tyres
are rock hard and if anything slightly over inflated.
Obviously the pressure guage on it at that price is far from
accurate. The quality is good, and I'm sure it's good for
130psi. Bargain.

--
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"davek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Is £20 for a Blackburn TPS2 track pump a good deal? They
go for about 30 quid normally, yes?

I'm concerned that I struggle to get 90psi with the
Tcheapo pump I bought

a

Quoted message said:

while ago but wonder if 120psi would really be that much
easier with a different pump, or is it just because I'm a
wimp with poor arm muscles...

d.

There are several different models of Blackburn workshop
pumps. Sorry, I can't remember the model names or prices,
but a quick Google should find you the answers. The
differences are materials and construction (unsurprisingly),
and the price range was (I think, sorry if my memory's
defective) about £20-£60. All are OK, but obviously what
you're being offered may not particularly be a bargain.

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davek said:

Is £20 for a Blackburn TPS2 track pump a good deal? They
go for about 30 quid normally, yes?

I'm concerned that I struggle to get 90psi with the
Tcheapo pump I bought a while ago but wonder if 120psi
would really be that much easier with a different pump, or
is it just because I'm a wimp with poor arm muscles...

d.

I manage 110 with my track pump, and I can just about manage
it with my frame pump too. Track pump is a Beto rated to
160psi, and the one that lives on the bike is a Topeak road
morph with inline guage.

I'm another 5'3 girly with wet string for muscles, yes it
does get harder to compress the air once you get to about
90psi, but it's still possible and not *that* much strain or
I'd have found some other way by now ;-)

Velvet

"Pete Biggs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

davek said:

Is £20 for a Blackburn TPS2 track pump a good deal? They
go for about 30 quid normally, yes?

I'm concerned that I struggle to get 90psi with the
Tcheapo pump I bought a while ago but wonder if 120psi
would really be that much easier with a different pump,
or is it just because I'm a wimp with poor arm
muscles...

The better the pump, the easier it will be with whatever
strength you have, definitely. I don't know the Blackburn
but, whatever, I recommend going for something that is
"rated" /well/ beyond what you need to make sure that it
can manage what you actually need /comfortably/. I use a
240 psi Silca Super Pista* for my 130 psi tyres. Easy!

Eh? The difficulty will be proportional to the diameter of
the piston (inverse square).

If the diameter were 1.5 inches you need over12 1/2 stone on
top of the piston to get to100 psi.

If the diameter were 1 inch you only need 6 1/2 stone for
the same 100 psi.

Of course with a small diameter you need to pump more times
to get the same volume of air in. It's not better or worse,
it's just a choice.

Quoted message said:

* with a Topeak SmartHead

~PB

Quoted message said:

I wanted a track pump and had a look about. It seems there
were two broad categories, those that did alot more than
120 psi those that did about 120 psi. With corresponding
price tags. I was on a tiny budget, and I needed one that
did 120 psi for my road bike, but then more might be
useful with different tyres in future. I went for the
Argos one at £8 it is really good value, it does 120 psi,
well my 120 psi tyres are rock hard and if anything
slightly over inflated. Obviously the pressure guage on it
at that price is far from accurate. The quality is good,
and I'm sure it's good for 130psi. Bargain.

Me too, with the exception of it being difficult at
getting anywhere near 120psi, even with my full weight
being jumped on it!

However, it is different to the one in the catalogue so I
think they just ran out and had to use an alternative
supplier - i.e. we may both have different pumps.

Also, the fact that it has taken 12 1/2 stone jumping up and
down on it suggests it is fairly robust.

Also also, the 16 day no-fuss money back guarantee dooberry
on Argos stuff makes it worth the risk.

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If the diameter were 1 inch you only need 6 1/2 stone for
the same 100

psi.

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Sorry that was 5 1/2 stone.

Frank X said:

Quoted message said:

The better the pump, the easier it will be with whatever
strength you have, definitely. I don't know the Blackburn
but, whatever, I recommend going for something that is
"rated" /well/ beyond what you need to make sure that it
can manage what you actually need /comfortably/. I use a
240 psi Silca Super Pista* for my 130 psi tyres. Easy!

Eh? The difficulty will be proportional to the diameter of
the piston (inverse square).

Yes I know that.........

Quoted message said:

If the diameter were 1.5 inches you need over12 1/2 stone
on top of the piston to get to100 psi.

If the diameter were 1 inch you only need 5 1/2 stone for
the same 100 psi.

Of course with a small diameter you need to pump more
times to get the same volume of air in. It's not better or
worse, it's just a choice.

Pumping fewer times but having to use more force *is* worse
if the required force is uncomfortable or impossible to
manage. Or do you think you can reach any pressure with any
pump if you just go on pumping long enough?

You don't mention the length of the piston. Eh, why not, eh?
:-) That is another factor, I believe--a rather important
one. This, as well as diameter, varies from pump to pump.

The fact remains that in practice, some pumps manage high
pressures easier than others. The "easy" ones tend to be the
ones that are "rated" higher. These "ratings" often being
somewhat bogus anyway, so therefore it is sensible to get
one that's supposed to be better than you actually need.

~PB

"Mark Thompson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I wanted a track pump and had a look about. It seems
there were two broad categories, those that did alot
more than 120 psi those that did about 120 psi. With
corresponding price tags. I was on a tiny budget, and I
needed one that did 120 psi for my road bike, but then
more might be useful with different tyres in future. I
went for the Argos one at £8 it is really good value, it
does 120 psi, well my 120 psi tyres are rock hard and if
anything slightly over inflated. Obviously the pressure
guage on it at that price is far from accurate. The
quality is good, and I'm sure it's good for 130psi.
Bargain.

Me too, with the exception of it being difficult at
getting anywhere near 120psi, even with my full weight
being jumped on it!

However, it is different to the one in the catalogue so I
think they just ran out and had to use an alternative
supplier - i.e. we may both have different pumps.

Also, the fact that it has taken 12 1/2 stone jumping up
and down on it suggests it is fairly robust.

Well, can't complain much for eight quid anyway can one?

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Also also, the 16 day no-fuss money back guarantee
dooberry on Argos stuff makes it worth the risk.

That's a gimmick of Argos's. It's not them being nice,
merely them explicitly complying with UK consumer
regulations.
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Quoted message said:

The better the pump, the easier it will be with whatever
strength you have, definitely.

Eh? The difficulty will be proportional to the diameter of
the piston (inverse square).

If the diameter were 1.5 inches you need over12 1/2 stone
on top of the piston to get to100 psi.

If the diameter were 1 inch you only need 6 1/2 stone for
the same 100 psi.

Of course with a small diameter you need to pump more
times to get the same volume of air in. It's not better or
worse, it's just a choice.

Which is why you wouldn't choose to inflate your tyres with
a shock pump. Although you could in an emergency.

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rice.

I said:

Pumping fewer times but having to use more force *is*
worse if the required force is uncomfortable or impossible
to manage. Or do you think you can reach any pressure with
any pump if you just go on pumping long enough?

Please ignore the last sentence above. That's distracting
from my main (preceding) point.

~PB

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Quoted message said:

Also also, the 16 day no-fuss money back guarantee
dooberry on Argos

stuff

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Quoted message said:

makes it worth the risk.

That's a gimmick of Argos's. It's not them being nice,
merely them

explicitly

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complying with UK consumer regulations.

AFAIK, a shop does not have to give you a refund in cash,
they can just give credit notes if the item is not faulty.
So it is them being nice, or at least playing the odds.

--
Mike W

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's a gimmick of Argos's. It's not them being nice,
merely them

explicitly

Quoted message said:

complying with UK consumer regulations.

AFAIK, a shop does not have to give you a refund in cash,
they can just

give

Quoted message said:

credit notes if the item is not faulty. So it is them
being nice, or at least playing the odds.

Actually if the item is not faulty or supplied wrongly on
there part I don't think they even have to take it back at
all. But most do for good customer relations.

--
Mike W

davek said:

Is £20 for a Blackburn TPS2 track pump a good deal? They go
for about 30 quid normally, yes?

I'm concerned that I struggle to get 90psi with the Tcheapo
pump I bought a while ago but wonder if 120psi would really
be that much easier with a different pump, or is it just
because I'm a wimp with poor arm muscles...

With my own unnamed Cheapo track pump I can easily inflate
the tyres on my road bike to 110psi. Or, rather, I will be
able to when I buy a new rear tyre. The current one reminds
my of a tunnel that didn't quite meet in the middle - a
sudden last-minute detour was needed.

My pump cost me just over £20 and does the job OK.

James