Blur LT vs Intense 5.5 EVP?

Bob Flumere said:

Anybody..
Good, bad, indifferent??

Which to build?
Anybody here got a 5.5 Evp with bearing probs (or not)??

Don't know about the Intense but several of the people I know with Blurs
have had frames break. Santa Cruze warranteed the frames but what a pain.

Gary

Until the last couple of years I would have tried to sell you on the
SC, but based on my own and a very large (and growing) # of folks
having lots of trouble with SC bike reliability I'd have to suggest you
stay away from them. I never had any quality issues with my first SC I
bought 7 or 8 years ago, but after killing that one (my fault not
theirs) I have had nothing but issues with the replacement(s) for that
one (replaced w/ an '03 Heckler). SC has been "good enough" to send
new parts/frames each time, but...

Who wants to wait 2-4 months (longer?) for a new swing-arm/whatever
even if they don't "have" to pay?

I haven't ridden the Intense, but loved the Turner I rode a little
while back (5 spot). Stay away from the SC there's too much baggage or
chance for issues any more. I'm saving (slowly) for a new frame and
will *not* be considering anything SC is offering unless and untill
they demonstrate some *significant* improvements in their quality
control and such. Who knows, as long as it could take me to save a
couple grand SC could change for the better, but don't hold your
breath.

Kraig...

Bob Flumere said:

Anybody..
Good, bad, indifferent??

Which to build?
Anybody here got a 5.5 Evp with bearing probs (or not)??

Ask yourself this question, who is actually fabricating those frames?
If you're going to pay a botique bike price, you had better be getting
a well designed and well built frame, built with attention to detail
instead of attention to profits.

Take a long, hard look at santa crud and see what they actually are.
They are a marketing and design company, not a bicycle manufacturer.
I'm not sure how many places their bikes have been manufactured (Reco
Diver may have that answer) the past ten years, but I'd wager that it's
not just one place. Most of their designs are antiquated (by modern
mtb standards) and/or "borrowed" (the blurb). They have major brand
recognition because of their unfortunate longevity as a brand name,
starting with surfboards and skateboards at least as early as the
1970's. They proliferate the mtb ragazines with their advertisements,
as well as "product tests" where the same ragazines don't wish to lose
revenue by telling the truth about their biggest advertisers' crappy
offerings. Paying $1500+ for a frame of antiquated design and average
materials/fabrication is ridiculous.

JD

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Bob Flumere said:

Anybody..
Good, bad, indifferent??

Which to build?
Anybody here got a 5.5 Evp with bearing probs (or not)??

Ask yourself this question, who is actually fabricating those frames?
If you're going to pay a botique bike price, you had better be getting
a well designed and well built frame, built with attention to detail
instead of attention to profits.

Take a long, hard look at santa crud and see what they actually are.
They are a marketing and design company, not a bicycle manufacturer.
I'm not sure how many places their bikes have been manufactured (Reco
Diver may have that answer) the past ten years, but I'd wager that it's
not just one place. Most of their designs are antiquated (by modern
mtb standards) and/or "borrowed" (the blurb). They have major brand
recognition because of their unfortunate longevity as a brand name,
starting with surfboards and skateboards at least as early as the
1970's. They proliferate the mtb ragazines with their advertisements,
as well as "product tests" where the same ragazines don't wish to lose
revenue by telling the truth about their biggest advertisers' crappy
offerings. Paying $1500+ for a frame of antiquated design and average
materials/fabrication is ridiculous.

JD

I am turning to the dark side. I have developed a fetish for Crackandfail
bikes. My new roadbike is a six/13. Talk about loading it up with
technology. I am impressed with what Cannondale has done. If you really
want a laugh though, get one of their warranty books and read it. They are
NOT Santa Crud, thats for sure. All their bikes are built in the good ol US
of A.

TJ

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Bob Flumere said:

Anybody..
Good, bad, indifferent??

Which to build?
Anybody here got a 5.5 Evp with bearing probs (or not)??

Ask yourself this question, who is actually fabricating those frames?
If you're going to pay a botique bike price, you had better be getting
a well designed and well built frame, built with attention to detail
instead of attention to profits.

Take a long, hard look at santa crud and see what they actually are.
They are a marketing and design company, not a bicycle manufacturer.
I'm not sure how many places their bikes have been manufactured (Reco
Diver may have that answer) the past ten years, but I'd wager that it's
not just one place. Most of their designs are antiquated (by modern
mtb standards) and/or "borrowed" (the blurb). They have major brand
recognition because of their unfortunate longevity as a brand name,
starting with surfboards and skateboards at least as early as the
1970's. They proliferate the mtb ragazines with their advertisements,
as well as "product tests" where the same ragazines don't wish to lose
revenue by telling the truth about their biggest advertisers' crappy
offerings. Paying $1500+ for a frame of antiquated design and average
materials/fabrication is ridiculous.

JD

I am turning to the dark side. I have developed a fetish for Crackandfail
bikes. My new roadbike is a six/13. Talk about loading it up with
technology. I am impressed with what Cannondale has done. If you really
want a laugh though, get one of their warranty books and read it. They are
NOT Santa Crud, thats for sure. All their bikes are built in the good ol US
of A.

TJ

Road bikes are what crackandflail should stick to. Technology belongs
on the road, not the trail. Did you buy your bike from Lupcho in
Vernal or Ashley in GJ?

JD

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Bob Flumere wrote:
> Anybody..
> Good, bad, indifferent??
>
> Which to build?
> Anybody here got a 5.5 Evp with bearing probs (or not)??

Ask yourself this question, who is actually fabricating those frames?
If you're going to pay a botique bike price, you had better be getting
a well designed and well built frame, built with attention to detail
instead of attention to profits.

Take a long, hard look at santa crud and see what they actually are.
They are a marketing and design company, not a bicycle manufacturer.
I'm not sure how many places their bikes have been manufactured (Reco
Diver may have that answer) the past ten years, but I'd wager that it's
not just one place. Most of their designs are antiquated (by modern
mtb standards) and/or "borrowed" (the blurb). They have major brand
recognition because of their unfortunate longevity as a brand name,
starting with surfboards and skateboards at least as early as the
1970's. They proliferate the mtb ragazines with their advertisements,
as well as "product tests" where the same ragazines don't wish to lose
revenue by telling the truth about their biggest advertisers' crappy
offerings. Paying $1500+ for a frame of antiquated design and average
materials/fabrication is ridiculous.

JD

I am turning to the dark side. I have developed a fetish for
Crackandfail
bikes. My new roadbike is a six/13. Talk about loading it up with
technology. I am impressed with what Cannondale has done. If you really
want a laugh though, get one of their warranty books and read it. They
are
NOT Santa Crud, thats for sure. All their bikes are built in the good ol
US
of A.

TJ

Road bikes are what crackandflail should stick to. Technology belongs
on the road, not the trail. Did you buy your bike from Lupcho in
Vernal or Ashley in GJ?

JD

I bought it from Ashley. I have been up there wrenching on a couple of
occasions. All their staff went back to school, and bike sales here have
been going bonkers. It is a good time to be a bicycle rider in GJ.

TJ

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>Bob Flumere wrote:
>
>>Anybody..
>>Good, bad, indifferent??
>>
>>Which to build?
>>Anybody here got a 5.5 Evp with bearing probs (or not)??
>
>
>Ask yourself this question, who is actually fabricating those frames?
>If you're going to pay a botique bike price, you had better be getting
>a well designed and well built frame, built with attention to detail
>instead of attention to profits.
>
>Take a long, hard look at santa crud and see what they actually are.
>They are a marketing and design company, not a bicycle manufacturer.
>I'm not sure how many places their bikes have been manufactured (Reco
>Diver may have that answer) the past ten years, but I'd wager that it's
>not just one place. Most of their designs are antiquated (by modern
>mtb standards) and/or "borrowed" (the blurb). They have major brand
>recognition because of their unfortunate longevity as a brand name,
>starting with surfboards and skateboards at least as early as the
>1970's. They proliferate the mtb ragazines with their advertisements,
>as well as "product tests" where the same ragazines don't wish to lose
>revenue by telling the truth about their biggest advertisers' crappy
>offerings. Paying $1500+ for a frame of antiquated design and average
>materials/fabrication is ridiculous.
>
>JD
>

I am turning to the dark side. I have developed a fetish for
Crackandfail
bikes. My new roadbike is a six/13. Talk about loading it up with
technology. I am impressed with what Cannondale has done. If you really
want a laugh though, get one of their warranty books and read it. They
are
NOT Santa Crud, thats for sure. All their bikes are built in the good ol
US
of A.

TJ

Road bikes are what crackandflail should stick to. Technology belongs
on the road, not the trail. Did you buy your bike from Lupcho in
Vernal or Ashley in GJ?

JD

I bought it from Ashley. I have been up there wrenching on a couple of
occasions. All their staff went back to school, and bike sales here have
been going bonkers. It is a good time to be a bicycle rider in GJ.

TJ

Sales here are great too. Even before gas went through the roof.
My LBS buddy had a big sale and sold like 35 bikes in a week. In a town
this size that a significant portion of the population getting new bikes!

Matt

MattB said:

TJ said:

I bought it from Ashley. I have been up there wrenching on a couple of
occasions. All their staff went back to school, and bike sales here have
been going bonkers. It is a good time to be a bicycle rider in GJ.

Any time is a good time to ride in GJ, my friend.

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Sales here are great too. Even before gas went through the roof.
My LBS buddy had a big sale and sold like 35 bikes in a week. In a town
this size that a significant portion of the population getting new bikes!

The G-Spot is definitely a lot more bike friendly on the road than GJ
is.

JD

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>>Bob Flumere wrote:
>>
>>>Anybody..
>>>Good, bad, indifferent??
>>>
>>>Which to build?
>>>Anybody here got a 5.5 Evp with bearing probs (or not)??
>>
>>
>>Ask yourself this question, who is actually fabricating those frames?
>>If you're going to pay a botique bike price, you had better be getting
>>a well designed and well built frame, built with attention to detail
>>instead of attention to profits.
>>
>>Take a long, hard look at santa crud and see what they actually are.
>>They are a marketing and design company, not a bicycle manufacturer.
>>I'm not sure how many places their bikes have been manufactured (Reco
>>Diver may have that answer) the past ten years, but I'd wager that it's
>>not just one place. Most of their designs are antiquated (by modern
>>mtb standards) and/or "borrowed" (the blurb). They have major brand
>>recognition because of their unfortunate longevity as a brand name,
>>starting with surfboards and skateboards at least as early as the
>>1970's. They proliferate the mtb ragazines with their advertisements,
>>as well as "product tests" where the same ragazines don't wish to lose
>>revenue by telling the truth about their biggest advertisers' crappy
>>offerings. Paying $1500+ for a frame of antiquated design and average
>>materials/fabrication is ridiculous.
>>
>>JD
>>
>
>I am turning to the dark side. I have developed a fetish for
>Crackandfail
>bikes. My new roadbike is a six/13. Talk about loading it up with
>technology. I am impressed with what Cannondale has done. If you
>really
>want a laugh though, get one of their warranty books and read it. They
>are
>NOT Santa Crud, thats for sure. All their bikes are built in the good
>ol US
>of A.
>
>TJ

Road bikes are what crackandflail should stick to. Technology belongs
on the road, not the trail. Did you buy your bike from Lupcho in
Vernal or Ashley in GJ?

JD

I bought it from Ashley. I have been up there wrenching on a couple of
occasions. All their staff went back to school, and bike sales here have
been going bonkers. It is a good time to be a bicycle rider in GJ.

TJ

Sales here are great too. Even before gas went through the roof.
My LBS buddy had a big sale and sold like 35 bikes in a week. In a town
this size that a significant portion of the population getting new bikes!

Matt

WOW! That rivals the shops here in GJ. Most of the bikes heading out the
door here are comfort bikes. Good to see more people on mopeds, and
bicycles.

TJ

I would rather be Intense then a Blur.