Bored with life? Change your diet....

TheoneTheonly, let's talk. I've been concerned about you ever since you
flung yourself headfirst into alt.suicide.holiday sometime around Thu,
08 Jan 2004 22:19:20 GMT and groaned:

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" I am bored. I am bored with life", wrote Suzy Gonzalez. "I cannot possibly think of anything I
want to do that is worth doing. I just want to sleep all day".

That is telling me that she needed a change in her diet. My guess is that junk food made her
tired. Instead of a psych who prescribed her anti-depressants that did not work, she should have
an expert checking her diet and prescribing her exercises and a purpose in life. Whenever I ate
lots of carbs and sugar, I felt tired like Suzy. Whenever I cut that stuff out, I become the
active myself again. I think her shrink was also a complete failure,

As was yours, if you ever had one.

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otherwise he should have spotted that she was serious about ending her life.

There is nobody on earth who does not feel once in a while down. That includes the rich, the
famous and the beautiful. It creeps up on anyone. But others are better in coping with it, they
don't kill themselves over the clouds.

When I feel the blues, I go in action. I work as much as I can, and I forget any sad feelings,
even pain, during doing so. I know that the start sometimes can be hard. It often is like getting
up in the morning in a house in winter without heat and having to shower, and the water is also
cold. But when you made the start, when you are in dry warm clothes, you feel better.

That's the upbeat spirit we're looking for, Barbara!

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I suggest you find something can you stand behind, something that is close to your heart. Pick
something you can engage yourself in, but make sure it is a good and just cause and does not hurt
anybody. Give it all you have. Take on much work. If you work and you still have time to think
about your own misery and about your pain, you have to put more in your plate.

After such a day, in my bed at night, I think about what I have accomplished and are even sort of
amazed at myself about what a single person can do in just 12 hours.

As am I. You're a kook institution all to yourself.

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Then I think about the depressed sad feeling that I had the morning, and I realize that I worked
it away. It works like a dream. I win the battle against the blues ALL THE TIME, just through
actions.

Think about it and try it out. Don't listen to false friends who want you dead.

Like those alien Nazis who tried to kill your father, L. Ron Hubbard?

--
-Robert

members.mher.orgrbuchananOpen ↗

In one of his fits of denial, Lurker Below puts his own spin on 'it's the crowd, not me:' "With auk,
it's the crowd that has stared into the abyss for too long. You've become kooks yourselves. Worse,
you see everyone else as kooks." <[email hidden]

(TheoneTheonly) said:

After such a day, in my bed at night, I think about what I have accomplished and are even sort of
amazed at myself about what a single person can do in just 12 hours. Then I think about the
depressed sad feeling that I had the morning, and I realize that I worked it away. It works like a
dream. I win the battle against the blues ALL THE TIME, just through actions.

I suspect rather that what you do is suppress the problems by working harder in order to avoid
dealing with them. There is probably some psychological term for this. Similarly, people often throw
themselves into their work after the loss of a loved one. Of course it does not remove the burden of
grief, but simply forces it back until it cannot be forced back any longer.

I would be concerned that anyone adopting TheoneTheonly's technique here risks storing up problems
for themselves. Pretending everything is peachy when it is not does not seem a terribly wise idea.

--
Midwinter

Barbara Schwartz,

That was like a sudden blissard of words, but then the wind ceased, and the snow flakes settled to
the ground peacefully revealing a clear day. I'm going outside to make an angel in the snow bank.

Sam Hill

"TheoneTheonly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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" I am bored. I am bored with life", wrote Suzy Gonzalez. "I cannot possibly think of anything I
want to do that is worth doing. I just want to sleep all day".

That is telling me that she needed a change in her diet. My guess is that junk food made her
tired. Instead of a psych who prescribed her anti-depressants that did not work, she should have
an expert checking her diet and prescribing her exercises and a purpose in life. Whenever I ate
lots of carbs and sugar, I felt tired like Suzy. Whenever I cut that stuff out, I become the
active myself again. I think her shrink was also a complete failure, otherwise he should have
spotted that she was serious about ending her life.

There is nobody on earth who does not feel once in a while down. That includes the rich, the
famous and the beautiful. It creeps up on anyone. But others are better in coping with it, they
don't kill themselves over the clouds.

When I feel the blues, I go in action. I work as much as I can, and I forget any sad feelings,
even pain, during doing so. I know that the start sometimes can be hard. It often is like getting
up in the morning in a house in winter without heat and having to shower, and the water is also
cold. But when you made the start, when you are in dry warm clothes, you feel better.

I suggest you find something can you stand behind, something that is close to your heart. Pick
something you can engage yourself in, but make sure it is a good and just cause and does not hurt
anybody. Give it all you have. Take on much work. If you work and you still have time to think
about your own misery and about your pain, you have to put more in your plate.

After such a day, in my bed at night, I think about what I have accomplished and are even sort of
amazed at myself about what a single person can do in just 12 hours. Then I think about the
depressed sad feeling that I had the morning, and I realize that I worked it away. It works like a
dream. I win the battle against the blues ALL THE TIME, just through actions.

Think about it and try it out. Don't listen to false friends who want you dead.

Barbara Schwarz

"Hi, Barbara,

I have to agree with you regarding Karen Spaink. Karin is a woman who hands out suicide advice to
anyone, including young, depressed children. She has done this for years. She also told
little_chris (LC) that she would help LC to die in anyway she could. I feel Karin is a murderer of
sorts. And her advice could cause permanent harm, if not death. Karin is not an expert on dying,
but some people believe she is. That is the real danger, as most of her methods from her methods
files are unproven and could cause the user of her methods files to become even worse off than
they are. Karin is using the Internet to wage her own personal war on the world. Hers is a
campaign of hatred and hurt, rather than of love and compassion. I feel Karin is truly evil. And
it's sad that the Internet has become a platform for people like Karin Spaink to cast out their
hatred on unsuspecting suicidal people."

And:

On Fri said:

You are right, Karin Spaink is evil. I was shocked when I read what she is doing. I wonder that
no law enforcement agency came yet after her.

Karin knows her law pretty well. I believe the Netherlands have different suicide and assisted
suicide laws. And from what I have read of her postings, she studies these laws carefully. She
probably would not get away with this in the USA, AU, or Canada.

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She has method files for those activities?

Karin's method files are here: ash.spaink.netnazgmethods.htmlOpen ↗

And this is a picture of Karin Spaink: spaink.netparool hogerhand1.jpgOpen ↗

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something to do with her confusion later on in her life. I really don't believe Karin is a happy
person at all. I think Karin is truly depressed.

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That must be also an odd "church" she is a member in, the Church of Euthanasia, in my eyes, a
killer organization. I think most people who want to die don't suffer from unbearable pains, but
rather are just depressed.

In my opinion, some of the members of the CoE are rabid psychotics, including this person,
boboroshi: "]http:[email hidden]

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There is much that can be done against it. Poor guy that LC, too bad nobody good took him under
his wings.

LC met all the wrong people when he came to ASH. The problem with ASH and ASM is these two groups
attract the kindest, most humble, yet hurting people on this planet. On the other hand, these two
groups attract people like Karin Spaink who do nothing but help others to die, no matter what the
circumstances are. Karin almost appears to prey on suicidal people, in my opinion. I have watched
her do this for many years.

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Karin is like a snake, that preys on their victims. It is despicable that she does not go out of
her ways to salvage people, which a normal person would do. I find her absolutely disturbed and
dangerous.

Yes, you are correct, she is just what you said she is, disturbed and dangerous.

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I found your information interesting. I posted the content in the newsgroups, but I did not
reveal your e-mail address. You are safe from attacks.

OK, that is fine. I appreciate you keeping my name out of the picture.

Bye for now. And I enjoy your posts. I am glad to see someone finally take this issue up with
Karin Spaink."

And here is more of my pen-friend's information:

"I hope that some people can see that Karin Spaink's motives are mostly driven by her own demons,
rather than any sort of love and compassion. I do believe euthanasia is appropriate for long-term
cancer sufferers and alike. But I just don't believe it is appropriate to be handing out suicide
advice to young teenagers who are depressed over the loss of their first love, etc.. Yes, those
times are very difficult for young children. But these issues are nothing that cannot be dealt
with through counseling and just time. But the real danger here is, these kids will show up on
alt.suicide.methods, only to meet with people like Karin Spaink. And Karin Spaink does not ask how
old these people are or what their circumstance is. Karin simply hands out her methods of exit and
turns her back. I don't know how many people Karin has helped to die. But I can't help but wonder
what hell the families of these children go through after they are dead. It's the families that
always have to pick up the pieces by people like Karin. They have to pay the funeral costs, clean
up the blood or the vomit and live with the loss of their loved ones for many years to come. My
father committed suicide many years ago and it took many years for myself and my other family
members to deal with this loss.

Have you read the article about Suzi Gonzales? Suzi was a frequent poster on ASH and she had some
assistance in her death. And no one intervened in her plans, even though many people knew she was
going to kill herself. And Suzi's family was devastated and very angry about this. Suzi was 19
years old. Here is the article. suicidereferencelibrary.com413.htmlOpen ↗

Take care and bye for now."

And:

"Thanks for writing back, Barbara.

Boboroshi has been labelled in the media as being a psychotic, recently. Here is the article:

bbc.co.uksuicide.shtmlOpen ↗

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"

(I don't promote psychiatry and psychiatrists, or drugs to get over suppression, but these guys
mentioned in the article are right on that subject. The government should take those that talk
others into suicide seriously. Barbara Schwarz)

Listen again to my pen-friend:

"Whether or not Boboroshi is a psychotic, I don't know. But his postings seem to suggest that he
way out in left field. Boboroshi, claims to be a Satan worshipper. So, it appears Boboroshi has
surrounded himself with evil and misery. And anyone who I have met in the past who has asked for
evil and hatred to come into their lives, seems to have found this evil and hatred, in spades.

I don't support either Karin Spaink or Boboroshi. To me, they are both very disturbed people. And
as I mentioned before, the Internet has become their platform to foist their hatred on the world.
And perhaps the Internet is their killing ground. And the only thing that would ever silence
people like Karin Spaink and Boboroshi would be prison time. But I don't suppose either one of
them will end up in prison, unless they slip up and cross the line, becoming directly involved in
the deaths of other people. And this may have happened already, judging by some of the comments
that Karin Spaink has posted on Usenet regarding Little Chris.

Take care and bye for now, Barbara."

Make your own minds up about the information that my pen-friend provided, he spoke from his heart,
and he got it right.

I personally tend to think that the people that tell others to kill themselves are often not
suicidal, rather that they are icecold calculating killers and just are play the act of being
suicidal themselves.

The only thing that I read that Karin objected to was that she is a

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tried to explain her confusion and evil intentions towards others. But she certainly can't object
to anything else, as the evidence of her despicable activities are out there on the net.

I hope that people sue her, Boboroshi and people like them, for each cents they have. I hope that
people investigate with whom their dead relative or friend had contact and what those desperate
people downloaded from the web, which suicide plan they followed. And I hope that law enforcement
agencies all over the world come after the killers in disguise.

I was asked by Rasta Robert, why I, as a Scientologist, would want to save people, as
Scientologists believe the spirits, the souls, the thetans can't be killed. It is true that the
spiritual being, the thetan, (that is you) can't die, he lives on forever, but all people are born
again. They will have new bodies and will go through the same problems they could not handle this
lifetime. If somebody kills himself this lifetime, he will do it again and again in future
lifetimes. The depression never ends, and there will be eternal suffering if the person does not
learn how to grow out of depression, beat depression and if she does not becomes a survivor.

Don't follow wrong advice, folks, there is a way for happiness, for each one of you.

I am also upset about the bomb instructions that David Touretzky, a CMU "educator" has on his
website, as he shows terrorists the way. People can order through his website all kind of books to
make weapons and weapons of mass destruction. He is completely irresponsible, and I find him
nothing less but evil.

I don't want people to be murdered, lying in bloodsheds, ripped into pieces. Human beings don't
deserve that, they deserve to be save and happy. People that are murdered through a terror act or
violence might suffer in their comming lives a great deal. They might have forgotten what has
happened to them, but subconsciously, it is with them and will influenence them badly.

More respect of human lives is necessary!

Barbara Schwarz

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TheoneTheonly, let's talk. I've been concerned about you ever since =

you

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flung yourself headfirst into alt.suicide.holiday sometime around Thu, 08 Jan 2004 22:19:20 GMT
and groaned:=20
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" I am bored. I am bored with life", wrote Suzy Gonzalez. "I cannot possibly think of anything I
want to do that is worth doing. I just want to sleep all day".
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That is telling me that she needed a change in her diet. My guess is that junk food made her
tired. Instead of a psych who prescribed her anti-depressants that did not work, she should have
an expert =

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that stuff out, I become the active myself again. I think her shrink was also a complete
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otherwise he should have spotted that she was serious about ending her life.
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includes the rich, the famous and the beautiful. It creeps up on anyone. But others are better
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When I feel the blues, I go in action. I work as much as I can, and =

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forget any sad feelings, even pain, during doing so. I know that the start sometimes can be
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up in the morning in a house in winter without heat and having to shower, and the water is also
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you are in dry warm clothes, you feel better.

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That's the upbeat spirit we're looking for, Barbara!
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I suggest you find something can you stand behind, something that is close to your heart. Pick
something you can engage yourself in, but make sure it is a good and just cause and does not
hurt anybody. =

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it all you have. Take on much work. If you work and you still have time to think about your own
misery and about your pain, you have to put more in your plate.
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After such a day, in my bed at night, I think about what I have accomplished and are even sort
of amazed at myself about what a =

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person can do in just 12 hours.

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As am I. You're a kook institution all to yourself.
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Then I think about the depressed sad feeling that I had the morning, and I realize that I worked
it away. It works like a dream. I win the battle against the blues ALL THE TIME, just through
actions.
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Think about it and try it out. Don't listen to false friends who =

want

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you dead.

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Like those alien Nazis who tried to kill your father, L. Ron Hubbard?
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After reading all that upbeat advice I'd appreciate any methods that will kill me before my memory
vomits the contents back up. "Its like a kola bear craped a rainbow in my brain!"

robnews,
Hilarious! LoL, :>😉

Sam Hill After reading all that upbeat advice I'd appreciate any methods that will kill me before my
memory vomits the contents back up. "Its like a kola bear craped a rainbow in my brain!"

Sam Hill said:

robnews, Hilarious! LoL, :>😉

Sam Hill After reading all that upbeat advice I'd appreciate any methods that will kill me before
my memory vomits the contents back up. "Its like a kola bear craped a rainbow in my brain!"

koala bear?

Safe bet, whenever a patient comes to you, and there's nothing "medically" wrong, check the diet.
I've never had much faith in psychiatry, and writing a patient off on a psych consult prematurely
can do more harm than good.

Medicine is a science, of course, and in all sciences, you exhaust all options.

Midwinter <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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(TheoneTheonly) said:

After such a day, in my bed at night, I think about what I have accomplished and are even sort
of amazed at myself about what a single person can do in just 12 hours. Then I think about the
depressed sad feeling that I had the morning, and I realize that I worked it away. It works like
a dream. I win the battle against the blues ALL THE TIME, just through actions.

I suspect rather that what you do is suppress the problems by working harder in order to avoid
dealing with them. There is probably some psychological term for this. Similarly, people often
throw themselves into their work after the loss of a loved one. Of course it does not remove the
burden of grief, but simply forces it back until it cannot be forced back any longer.

I would be concerned that anyone adopting TheoneTheonly's technique here risks storing up problems
for themselves. Pretending everything is peachy when it is not does not seem a terribly wise idea.

Concerned that people check their diet, do exercises, get a new purpose in life and are active? What
weirdo are you, Midwinter? Afraid that people might get happy? I never posted that everything will
be "peachy". Don't twist my words and don't post what I never said.

However, people know that change in diet, excercise and activity can do wonders for them. I was
posting mainly to Suzy's problem that she felt always tired.

Her shrink did not help her, drugs did not help her, neither the people that post here, like you.

I never posted that people should supress problems. But what were the problems of Suzy except that
she felt tired and bored? She did not grief about anybody.

You are one unqualified poster, Midwinter. Read before you give stupid advice and warn people to not
check their diet, to not exercise and to not become active! You are a real fool, do you know that?

Barbara Schwarz (the real one)
P.S. Postings with e-mail address [email hidden] and identity Barbara_Schwarz are
not done by me. Those are forgeries of criminal and lunatic Garry Lynn Scarff in Los Angeles.
And Frederic Rice is as little a de Rothschild as a dirty slimy and greasy punch bag is an
impressive man.

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That is telling me that she needed a change in her diet. My guess is that junk food made her
tired. Instead of a psych who prescribed her anti-depressants that did not work, she should have
an expert checking her diet and prescribing her exercises and a purpose in life. Whenever I ate
lots of carbs and sugar, I felt tired like Suzy. Whenever I cut that stuff out, I become the
active myself again. I think her shrink was also a complete failure, othe

I have spent 8 months switching from a pizza/beer/chips diet to a fiber/sprouts/protien diet - and
found zero change in my mental outlook. I did shed 60 pounds though! Losing weight got me some
positive comments but not much else - no more love, no more friends, nothing but less negative
looks. When I pay for something with my driver's licence and CC, they say is that you? As I lost 24%
of my bodyweight. Anyways, junk food might make you fat, but it sure does not make you depressed, in
my case, anyways.

You sound like a self-help book that don't sell...there are people here who are not just down in the
funk or feeling blue, they are feeling things that you would never understand in a million years,
that are chronic and unbearable, and things that they can't just work away or change a diet to stop
that pain. From your post, you sound like an incredibly un-understanding and immature person who
looks down on people in this groups (and others) because they don't have the courage to 'work it
away and win the battle against the blues' - It is the basic human instinct to survive, and speaking
for certain people in this group, we are taking our lives for a good reason, a reason why our
survival instinct is gone, and not because of a temporary funk or the blues. I have been in and out
of mental hospitals since I was 11, with symptoms showing up since 8, dropped out of five schools,
don't response to meditation, and my life is in a complete different league from what normal people
in civallised societies experienced. Life was a long, painful drag for me and I can't see clearly.
I'm not trying to gain sympathy, but stating it as a fact.

It all comes down to our decision.

transmitted disease of a human race, it does not make any significant impact in the end. Though I'm
sure many will not agree with me on this.

"Sam Hill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Barbara Schwartz,

That was like a sudden blissard of words, but then the wind ceased, and the snow flakes settled to
the ground peacefully revealing a clear day. I'm going outside to make an angel in the snow bank.

Sam Hill

Great Sam. Don't forget to eat right, to do exercises and do something very valueable in your life
besides rolling around in the snow. Don't catch a cold or pneunomia as snow angel, we don't want to
lose you, now won't we? 🙂

Barbara Schwarz (the real one)
P.S. Postings with e-mail address [email hidden] and identity Barbara_Schwarz are
not done by me. Those are forgeries of criminal and lunatic Garry Lynn Scarff in Los Angeles.
And Frederic Rice is as little a de Rothschild as a dirty slimy and greasy punch bag is an
impressive man.

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Quoted message said:

"TheoneTheonly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

" I am bored. I am bored with life", wrote Suzy Gonzalez. "I cannot
possibly think of anything I want to do that is worth doing. I just
want to sleep all day".

That is telling me that she needed a change in her diet. My guess is
that junk food made her tired. Instead of a psych who prescribed her
anti-depressants that did not work, she should have an expert checking
her diet and prescribing her exercises and a purpose in life. Whenever
I ate lots of carbs and sugar, I felt tired like Suzy. Whenever I cut
that stuff out, I become the active myself again.
I think her shrink was also a complete failure, otherwise he should
have spotted that she was serious about ending her life.

There is nobody on earth who does not feel once in a while down. That
includes the rich, the famous and the beautiful. It creeps up on
anyone. But others are better in coping with it, they don't kill
themselves over the clouds.

When I feel the blues, I go in action. I work as much as I can, and I
forget any sad feelings, even pain, during doing so.
I know that the start sometimes can be hard. It often is like getting
up in the morning in a house in winter without heat and having to
shower, and the water is also cold. But when you made the start, when
you are in dry warm clothes, you feel better.

I suggest you find something can you stand behind, something that is
close to your heart. Pick something you can engage yourself in, but
make sure it is a good and just cause and does not hurt anybody. Give
it all you have. Take on much work. If you work and you still have
time to think about your own misery and about your pain, you have to
put more in your plate.

After such a day, in my bed at night, I think about what I have
accomplished and are even sort of amazed at myself about what a single
person can do in just 12 hours. Then I think about the depressed sad
feeling that I had the morning, and I realize that I worked it away.
It works like a dream. I win the battle against the blues ALL THE
TIME, just through actions.

Think about it and try it out. Don't listen to false friends who want
you dead.

Barbara Schwarz

"Hi, Barbara,

I have to agree with you regarding Karen Spaink. Karin is a woman who
hands out suicide advice to anyone, including young, depressed
children.
She has done this for years. She also told little_chris (LC) that she
would help LC to die in anyway she could. I feel Karin is a murderer
of sorts. And her advice could cause permanent harm, if not death.
Karin is not an expert on dying, but some people believe she is. That
is the real danger, as most of her methods from her methods files are
unproven and could cause the user of her methods files to become even
worse off than they are. Karin is using the Internet to wage her own
personal war on the world. Hers is a campaign of hatred and hurt,
rather
than of love and compassion. I feel Karin is truly evil. And it's sad
that the Internet has become a platform for people like Karin Spaink
to cast out their hatred on unsuspecting suicidal people."

And:

"On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:03:13 -0800 Barbara

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You are right, Karin Spaink is evil. I was shocked when I read what
she is doing. I wonder that no law enforcement agency came yet after
her.

Karin knows her law pretty well. I believe the Netherlands have
different
suicide and assisted suicide laws. And from what I have read of her
postings, she studies these laws carefully. She probably would not get
away with this in the USA, AU, or Canada.

Quoted message said:

She has method files for those activities?

Karin's method files are here:
ash.spaink.netnazgmethods.htmlOpen ↗

And this is a picture of Karin Spaink:
spaink.netparool hogerhand1.jpgOpen ↗

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something
to do with her confusion later on in her life. I really don't believe
Karin is a happy person at all. I think Karin is truly depressed.

Quoted message said:

That must be also
an odd "church" she is a member in, the Church of Euthanasia, in
my eyes, a killer organization. I think most people who want to die
don't suffer from unbearable pains, but rather are just depressed.

In my opinion, some of the members of the CoE are rabid psychotics,
including
this person, boboroshi:
"]http:[email hidden]

Quoted message said:

There is much that can be done against it. Poor guy that LC, too
bad nobody good took him under his wings.

LC met all the wrong people when he came to ASH. The problem with ASH
and ASM is these two groups attract the kindest, most humble, yet
hurting
people on this planet. On the other hand, these two groups attract
people
like Karin Spaink who do nothing but help others to die, no matter
what
the circumstances are. Karin almost appears to prey on suicidal
people,
in my opinion. I have watched her do this for many years.

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Karin is like a snake,
that preys on their victims. It is despicable that she does not
go out of her ways to salvage people, which a normal person would
do. I find her absolutely disturbed and dangerous.

Yes, you are correct, she is just what you said she is, disturbed and
dangerous.

Quoted message said:

I found your
information interesting. I posted the content in the newsgroups,
but I did not reveal your e-mail address. You are safe from attacks.

OK, that is fine. I appreciate you keeping my name out of the picture.

Bye for now. And I enjoy your posts. I am glad to see someone finally
take this issue up with Karin Spaink."

And here is more of my pen-friend's information:

"I hope that some people can see that Karin Spaink's motives are
mostly
driven by her own demons, rather than any sort of love and compassion.
I do believe euthanasia is appropriate for long-term cancer sufferers
and alike. But I just don't believe it is appropriate to be handing
out
suicide advice to young teenagers who are depressed over the loss of
their first love, etc.. Yes, those times are very difficult for young
children. But these issues are nothing that cannot be dealt with
through
counseling and just time. But the real danger here is, these kids will
show up on alt.suicide.methods, only to meet with people like Karin
Spaink.
And Karin Spaink does not ask how old these people are or what their
circumstance is. Karin simply hands out her methods of exit and turns
her back. I don't know how many people Karin has helped to die. But I
can't help but wonder what hell the families of these children go
through
after they are dead. It's the families that always have to pick up the
pieces by people like Karin. They have to pay the funeral costs, clean
up the blood or the vomit and live with the loss of their loved ones
for many years to come. My father committed suicide many years ago and
it took many years for myself and my other family members to deal with
this loss.

Have you read the article about Suzi Gonzales? Suzi was a frequent
poster
on ASH and she had some assistance in her death. And no one intervened
in her plans, even though many people knew she was going to kill
herself.
And Suzi's family was devastated and very angry about this. Suzi was
19 years old. Here is the article.
suicidereferencelibrary.com413.htmlOpen ↗

Take care and bye for now."

And:

"Thanks for writing back, Barbara.

Boboroshi has been labelled in the media as being a psychotic,
recently.
Here is the article:

bbc.co.uksuicide.shtmlOpen ↗

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"

(I don't promote psychiatry and psychiatrists, or drugs to get over
suppression, but these guys mentioned in the article are right on that
subject. The government should take those that talk others into
suicide seriously. Barbara Schwarz)

Listen again to my pen-friend:

"Whether or not Boboroshi is a psychotic, I don't know. But his
postings
seem to suggest that he way out in left field. Boboroshi, claims to be
a Satan worshipper. So, it appears Boboroshi has surrounded himself
with
evil and misery. And anyone who I have met in the past who has asked
for evil and hatred to come into their lives, seems to have found this
evil and hatred, in spades.

I don't support either Karin Spaink or Boboroshi. To me, they are both
very disturbed people. And as I mentioned before, the Internet has
become
their platform to foist their hatred on the world. And perhaps the
Internet
is their killing ground. And the only thing that would ever silence
people
like Karin Spaink and Boboroshi would be prison time. But I don't
suppose
either one of them will end up in prison, unless they slip up and
cross
the line, becoming directly involved in the deaths of other people.
And
this may have happened already, judging by some of the comments that
Karin Spaink has posted on Usenet regarding Little Chris.

Take care and bye for now, Barbara."

Make your own minds up about the information that my pen-friend
provided, he spoke from his heart, and he got it right.

I personally tend to think that the people that tell others to kill
themselves are often not suicidal, rather that they are icecold
calculating killers and just are play the act of being suicidal
themselves.

The only thing that I read that Karin objected to was that she is a

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tried to explain her confusion and evil intentions towards others. But
she certainly can't object to anything else, as the evidence of her
despicable activities are out there on the net.

I hope that people sue her, Boboroshi and people like them, for each
cents they have. I hope that people investigate with whom their dead
relative or friend had contact and what those desperate people
downloaded from the web, which suicide plan they followed. And I hope
that law enforcement agencies all over the world come after the
killers in disguise.

I was asked by Rasta Robert, why I, as a Scientologist, would want to
save people, as Scientologists believe the spirits, the souls, the
thetans can't be killed. It is true that the spiritual being, the
thetan, (that is you) can't die, he lives on forever, but all people
are born again. They will have new bodies and will go through the same
problems they could not handle this lifetime. If somebody kills
himself this lifetime, he will do it again and again in future
lifetimes. The depression never ends, and there will be eternal
suffering if the person does not learn how to grow out of depression,
beat depression and if she does not becomes a survivor.

Don't follow wrong advice, folks, there is a way for happiness, for
each one of you.

I am also upset about the bomb instructions that David Touretzky, a
CMU "educator" has on his website, as he shows terrorists the way.
People can order through his website all kind of books to make weapons
and weapons of mass destruction. He is completely irresponsible, and I
find him nothing less but evil.

I don't want people to be murdered, lying in bloodsheds, ripped into
pieces. Human beings don't deserve that, they deserve to be save and
happy. People that are murdered through a terror act or violence might
suffer in their comming lives a great deal. They might have forgotten
what has happened to them, but subconsciously, it is with them and
will influenence them badly.

More respect of human lives is necessary!

Barbara Schwarz

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Safe bet, whenever a patient comes to you, and there's nothing "medically" wrong, check the diet.
I've never had much faith in psychiatry, and writing a patient off on a psych consult prematurely
can do more harm than good.

Medicine is a science, of course, and in all sciences, you exhaust all options.

You are right, Chris, there are many other options for the depressed than a shrinks and drugs. And
in Suzy Gonzalez case, she had all that and nevertheless committed suicide.

I heard from many people that they became happier after they changed their diets, after they started
to work out and after they had a new purpose in life and discovered something they liked and later
loved to do. I bet it can turn the life around for quite some people.

I noticed it on my own life. When I ate mainly junk foods, I needed others to pick me up. If I ate
nutritious foods and was pysically and mentally active, I was able to pick others up.

Nutrition and how it helps or harms the body is a science too.

Barbara Schwarz (the real one)
P.S. Postings with e-mail address [email hidden] and identity Barbara_Schwarz and
Truth Speaker 2 are not done by me. Those are forgeries of criminal, Aids infected gay lunatic
Garry Lynn Scarff in Los Angeles. And Frederic Rice is as little a de Rothschild as a dirty
slimy and greasy punch bag is an impressive man.

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I think it's absolutely possible for a change in diet to help mental outlook. Some people have food
intolerances or allergies that they're not aware of, and these may affect the mental state. So if
you have unexplained depression, then sure, start a food diary and do a multiple elimination diet to
see if it helps.

However, you need to go about the diary and elimination diet scientifically. Changes in diet will
help SOME people, but have no effect whatsoever for other people. And random elimination doesn't
help anyone.

The most common allergens are: wheat, soy, milk protein, egg, nuts, corn and shellfish. If you're
going to eliminate these scientifically, you need to:

Keep a comprehensive food diary for at least one week while eating normally. Be sure your diary
lists not only the foods you eat, but how you're feeling. Include EVERYTHING you ingest, including
medications and vitamins. Then choose one or more items to eliminate, either ones from the list or
ones that, based on your food diary, you think are likely suspects. Continue your food diary.
(During the elimination period try not to eat processed or restaurant foods, as they can throw off
your results with their hidden ingredients.) After two weeks of the elimination, look back through
your diary. Are you starting to feel better? If so, continue the elimination. If you are craving any
of the eliminated foods, continue for at least one week beyond the craving period.

If you feel better, add back one eliminated food per week, continuing the diary. Continue until you
start to feel bad again, at which point you'll know which food is the problem. If you do NOT feel
better, then add other foods to the elimination list. (Why add? Because many people who have food
intolerances have multiple ones, and only start feeling better when ALL the intolerances have been
eliminated.)

Still not feeling better? Then the problem is probably not food, or at least not the most common
allergens. (Or else you slipped up and were, in fact, continuing to ingest something that
bothers you.)

My two cents, --Beth Kevles [email hidden] web.mit.edunomilk.htmlOpen ↗ -- a page
for the milk-allergic Disclaimer: Nothing in this message should be construed as medical advice.
Please consult with your own medical practicioner.

NOTE: No email is read at my MIT address. Use the AOL one if you would like me to reply.

(Tom Malcolm) said:

Anyways, junk food might make you fat, but it sure does not make you depressed, in my case,
anyways.

I know that with some people it does. But then I wonder how much of that is down to the constant
barrage of claims from just about everywhere that eating anything more tasty than lettuce and
cucumber makes you fat and ugly and despised by the whole human race?

--
Midwinter

(Guess who?) said:

Concerned that people check their diet, do exercises, get a new purpose in life and are active?

So how many identities do you use?

In answer to your question, no, I am not concerned by THAT at all. If I were, you need have no doubt
that I would have said so. But I did not.

If I can offer you back some of your own advice:

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Don't twist my words and don't post what I never said.

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However, people know that change in diet, excercise and activity can do wonders for them. I was
posting mainly to Suzy's problem that she felt always tired.

Indeed. And certainly these are aspects of life that any of us would do well to assess. However, my
concern stemmed rather from your apparent belief that one can successfully work through and ignore
stresses and expect them simply to go away. In some cases no doubt they will. In others, they will
simply be suppressed until such time as they can be suppressed no longer - at which point they will
manifest, and possibly in even more acute, and perhaps dangerous, ways.

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Her shrink did not help her, drugs did not help her, neither the people that post here, like you.

Ah, but I am not claiming to be able to help her. You, however, are.

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I never posted that people should supress problems. But what were the problems of Suzy except that
she felt tired and bored? She did not grief about anybody.

So you believe she needed your assistance to learn that the cure for boredom is to get up, go out
and DO something?

In fact, what you said (assuming that you are the same poster) was: "If you work and you still have
time to think about your own misery and about your pain, you have to put more in your plate.".

I do not see how 'misery' and 'pain' equate to simple boredom, do you? And what you are suggesting
here is tackling stress by increasing stress in other areas. Increasing your workload until you have
so much to do that you have no time to think about your misery and pain.

Whichever way you look at it, fighting stress by increasing stress is not healthy.

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You are one unqualified poster, Midwinter. Read before you give stupid advice and warn people
to not check their diet, to not exercise and to not become active! You are a real fool, do you
know that?

So, out of interest, what qualifications do you have, to be dishing out this advice? And it is
interesting how quickly you resort to abuse - particularly given that you base it on something I did
not say. Truly you must be a heavyweight here.

Quoted message said:

Barbara Schwarz (the real one)

I wonder if the fake ones might have anything more to offer?

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On 9 Jan 2004 14:59:18 -0800,

(Guess who?) said:

You are right, Chris, there are many other options for the depressed than a shrinks and drugs.

Yes: those options include death, misery, sickness, and loneliness.

--
"To the bat tank!" --- Tank Girl

Barbara Schwartz, No WE wouldn't, I recently went through a bout of that and survived. Must break
your heart. I wouldn't want to lose me either. I did that for a long spell. This "we" stuff ,I don't
know about, I can only speak for three; me, myself and I. How did you know I'm schizoid. I would
like to meet a Snow Angel. What would I ask?. Is a snow angel the same as a reaper? I have another
wonderful dream story, but it belongs on alt.religion.christianity Excuse the misspelling of
blizzard. Thanks :>😉 Sam Hill

"Guess who?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Sam Hill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Barbara Schwartz,

That was like a sudden blissard of words, but then the wind ceased, and the snow flakes settled
to the ground peacefully revealing a clear

day.

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I'm going outside to make an angel in the snow bank.

Sam Hill

[email hidden] (Dr. Desertphile) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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(Guess who?) said:

You are right, Chris, there are many other options for the depressed than a shrinks and drugs.

Yes: those options include death, misery, sickness, and loneliness.

Indeed, depressions are mainly made by mindcontrollers (pyschs)talking into the subconcious minds of
people through ear implants that most people received already secretly installed in their ear drums
and other body parts when they were babies, right after birth.

It is also possible to pick up radio frequences that make people depressed, but the main culprit are
the tapes that are being played in the subconscious minds of people, feeling worthless and sad, and
wanting not longer to live...

People that can't confront the truth, as David Rice and the rest of the gang are just cowards. They
can't confront that they are in a trap and that psychs sell them out, despite that they are secretly
or openly working for them.

Barbara Schwarz (the real one)

You mean, those voices telling me to self-terminate were the government's after all? Why didn't my
parents tell me? Were my parents implanted too? The possibilities are... something!