in article [email hidden], B. Lafferty at [email hidden] wrote on 5/20/04 10:05 AM:
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It's early; not even June yet. Ask Jan if you don't believe me.
At this time in 2002 and even 2003, he was starting to show flashes of his form. Right now he has nothing. You may be right, but I kind of doubt it...
Today he did a little better, finishing at the rear end of the 99-strong peloton with Zabel as the winner, but the stage was only half the length of yesterday's stage and that's really not where he should have been at any rate... he should have been mid-pack with teammates Klier, Klöden and Wesemann...
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in article [email hidden], B. Lafferty at [email hidden] wrote on 5/20/04 10:05 AM:
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It's early; not even June yet. Ask Jan if you don't believe me.
At this time in 2002 and even 2003, he was starting to show flashes of his form. Right now he has nothing. You may be right, but I kind of doubt it...
Today he did a little better, finishing at the rear end of the 99-strong peloton with Zabel as the winner, but the stage was only half the length
of
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yesterday's stage and that's really not where he should have been at any rate... he should have been mid-pack with teammates Klier, Klöden and Wesemann...
-Sonarrat.
Sorry you missed the sarcasm. I'd be surprised if he even shows up for the Tour. Setting aside the psychological aspects of coming back after such a crash, the deep, soft tissue injuries in his pelvic area will take a while longer to recover fully. I'd look for him next year or maybe at the Vuelta this year.
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in article [email hidden]- rthlink.net, B. Lafferty at [email hidden] wrote on 5/20/04 10:05 AM:
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It's early; not even June yet. Ask Jan if you don't believe me.
At this time in 2002 and even 2003, he was starting to show flashes of his form. Right now he has nothing. You may be right, but I kind of doubt it...
Today he did a little better, finishing at the rear end of the 99-strong peloton with Zabel as the winner, but the stage was only half the length
of
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yesterday's stage and that's really not where he should have been at any rate... he should have been mid-pack with teammates Klier, Klöden and Wesemann...
Sorry you missed the sarcasm. I'd be surprised if he even shows up for the Tour. Setting aside the psychological aspects of coming back after such a crash, the deep, soft tissue injuries in his pelvic area will take a while longer to recover fully. I'd look for him next year or maybe at the Vuelta this year.
I think we're talking about different riders, unless Botero had a crash I didn't know about.
Also, I noticed something when I checked Heras' palmares in researching for another thread. Last year, he had no significant results until early June at the Volta a Catalunya (he took 2nd place as defending champion), and then nothing more until the Vuelta a Espana... this is pretty much how he has been throughout his career, starting to show glimmers in June in time for July, leaving enough energy left for September... so his season has traditionally followed a similar arch to Botero's.
The difference, of course, is that Botero didn't ride the Vuelta last year.
Also, I noticed something when I checked Heras' palmares in researching for another thread. Last year, he had no significant results until early June at the Volta a Catalunya (he took 2nd place as defending champion), and then nothing more until the Vuelta a Espana... this is pretty much how he has been throughout his career, starting to show glimmers in June in time for July, leaving enough energy left for September... so his season has traditionally followed a similar arch to Botero's.
The difference, of course, is that Botero didn't ride the Vuelta last year.
in article [email hidden], B. Lafferty at [email hidden] wrote on 5/20/04 1:58 PM:
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I think you're right. Oh, the aging process does wonders some days.
No one's perfect... I make countless mistakes, and I have yet to reach my 21st birthday. If we just correct each other without getting competitive about it, then we all benefit...
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in article [email hidden], B. Lafferty at [email hidden] wrote on 5/20/04 1:58 PM:
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I think you're right. Oh, the aging process does wonders some days.
No one's perfect... I make countless mistakes, and I have yet to reach my 21st birthday. If we just correct each other without getting competitive about it, then we all benefit...
-Sonarrat.
Indeed. At least it was another Spanish name beginning with the letter B.
I do hope Beloki can come back but having fractured my pelvis in a cycling fall, I know how long and difficult the healing process is for deep soft tissue. Five years on, I still get a twinge now and again, particularly when climbing. He does have relative youth on his side, but it's a long road back. Coppi also fractured his pelvis. Can someone, Benjo?, elaborate on Coppi's recovery timeline?
Also, I noticed something when I checked Heras' palmares in researching for another thread. Last year, he had no significant results until early June at the Volta a Catalunya (he took 2nd place as defending champion), and then nothing more until the Vuelta a Espana... this is pretty much how he has been throughout his career, starting to show glimmers in June in time for July, leaving enough energy left for September... so his season has traditionally followed a similar arch to Botero's.
The difference, of course, is that Botero didn't ride the Vuelta last year.
-Sonarrat.
With the major difference that Botero is/was supposed to be challenging for GC, while Heras was a climbing domestique till The Vuelta, wg=hen he was expected/allowed to rider for GC.
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With the major difference that Botero is/was supposed to be challenging for GC, while Heras was a climbing domestique till The Vuelta, when he was expected/allowed to rider for GC.
Also true. He wore number 21 as designated team leader in the TdF... that's not going to happen again, I don't think. But I hope that he at least manages to win a time trial, or at the very least, take a good road stage like Simoni did last year... I'm criticizing him quite a lot, with good reason, but I really want to see him do justice to his ability and his history.
